Brexit

[cm husker]

Once again, the main issue isn't necessarily buying foreign products. Like many of you are saying, yes, it's beneficial sometimes to get cheaper products from other countries.

 

The problem that Trump continues to mention is that so many of our major companies are leaving and setting up factories in other countries and face no penalty in doing so. Then people complain that there aren't enough good jobs. Something has to be done to keep these companies from fleeing to other countries.

 

Or is that not an issue either?...

 

Why should there be a penalty? What if I want to move my company from California to Texas (as Texans and conservatives in general are happy to crow about)? Should California impose a penalty on those companies? Of course not.

 

If you want to slow down companies that move to other countries, lower our oppressively high corporate tax rates.

 

Shark, your posts are inherently contradictory. On one hand, you say "we shouldn't begrudge Americans buying foreign products" and on the other hand say that we should penalize consumers (companies) for doing that same thing.

 

Why should a company, or a pensioner who holds stock in a company, be penalized for trying to operate more efficiently (let alone the consumer who benefits in the form of a better product at cheaper price)?

[huskerfan2000]

 

 

 

The liberals on this board are very funny! I won't defend Trump or what he is talking about, but the extreme positions being assigned to Trump is comical!

 

That Nationalism that everyone is afraid of is what made this country what it was. Globalization is what is making America a has been.

 

Judge Trump simply by the man's own words. It's hilarious.

 

I don't know about "everyone" but please don't assume what kind of nationalism I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the stupid, short-sighted, politically motivated nationalism. The world is full of cautionary tales, and we had one in Britain merely a week ago.

 

Again, I'm waiting for a Trump supporter -- or anyone else -- to give me the rough year or era when America was Great, so we could review the specifics and aim to go back there.

 

 

 

 

(careful, it's a trap)

 

 

lol, you won't trap anyone!

 

There have always been social issues throughout history, but that doesn't change the enormous economic prosperity brought on by buying America first. Driving around smaller towns (went to my old hometown) you can see the affects of globalization.

 

 

Small towns didn't fail because of globalization, unless you consider a kid's choice to move to a major US urban center, and away from small towns and farms, "globalization."

 

 

 

Yes they did. If what you are saying is true, then small towns would have totally disappeared. That isn't the case at all, matter of fact the pure population hasn't dropped much at all (in the small towns I lived in), but store front after store is empty.

 

Lack of jobs is the reason those kids are moving!

[cm husker]

 

Once again, the main issue isn't necessarily buying foreign products. Like many of you are saying, yes, it's beneficial sometimes to get cheaper products from other countries.

 

The problem that Trump continues to mention is that so many of our major companies are leaving and setting up factories in other countries and face no penalty in doing so. Then people complain that there aren't enough good jobs. Something has to be done to keep these companies from fleeing to other countries.

 

Or is that not an issue either?...

 

It's a huge issue. I'd love to keep more jobs and taxes in America, but to address this would require federal government regulation and anti-free market policies of the highest order, as long as you're down with that precedent.

 

U.S. employers also complain that Americans simply aren't willing to take the kind of jobs we ship overseas, which is why they rely on immigrants to fill the positions.

 

Right now we're the victims of our own success and it will require some major shifts in cultural attitude -- moreso perhaps than public policy -- to turn things around.

 

 

first, I think we need to understand the magnitude of the labor shifts, which I think are exaggerated. Second, we need to talk about how we can make keeping jobs in depressed American areas, cities or rural, as attractive as moving them overseas. Third, we need to seriously consider how we can efficiently and fairly redistribute the fruits of globalization and its increased productivity, especially for those who are termed "short term losers" as their functions are moved to lower cost regions.

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

The liberals on this board are very funny! I won't defend Trump or what he is talking about, but the extreme positions being assigned to Trump is comical!

 

That Nationalism that everyone is afraid of is what made this country what it was. Globalization is what is making America a has been.

 

Judge Trump simply by the man's own words. It's hilarious.

 

I don't know about "everyone" but please don't assume what kind of nationalism I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the stupid, short-sighted, politically motivated nationalism. The world is full of cautionary tales, and we had one in Britain merely a week ago.

 

Again, I'm waiting for a Trump supporter -- or anyone else -- to give me the rough year or era when America was Great, so we could review the specifics and aim to go back there.

 

 

 

 

(careful, it's a trap)

 

 

lol, you won't trap anyone!

 

There have always been social issues throughout history, but that doesn't change the enormous economic prosperity brought on by buying America first. Driving around smaller towns (went to my old hometown) you can see the affects of globalization.

 

 

Small towns didn't fail because of globalization, unless you consider a kid's choice to move to a major US urban center, and away from small towns and farms, "globalization."

 

 

 

Yes they did. If what you are saying is true, then small towns would have totally disappeared. That isn't the case at all, matter of fact the pure population hasn't dropped much at all (in the small towns I lived in), but store front after store is empty.

 

Lack of jobs is the reason those kids are moving!

 

 

Of course it is. But those jobs are in major US cities. Those kids aren't moving overseas.

 

We've seen the phenomenon since the industrial revolution. It's not globalization at play.

 

Or should we kill Amazon.com to save an outmoded small town brick and morters? is that what your suggesting? If so, we should go ahead and blow up car factories so that all the farriers can have their jobs back too.

[huskerfan2000]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When i think regulation, i think very minimal. For example, make sure all workers are citizens.

 

I'm sure various industries have a need for some regulation so they don't end up corrupted but that's what I'm thinking about.

Why do workers need to be citizens.

Is this a serious question? Or are you being sarcastic?

Honestly... we let companies have their stuff made by 6 year olds in other countries. Is having illegal immigrant adults as employees really worse than that? IMO it's a lot less bad, but neither happening would be ideal.

 

Here's a good article on non-citizen workers:

 

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

Correct, which is why we are able to impose tariffs so our industries don't get dominated.

Our tariff rate was 1.3% in 2010. The lowest it had ever been in the U.S. since they started keeping track (1792). There is no serious attempt to keep companies from outsourcing to labor that would be illegal if it was located here.

Moraine, what products are being produced outside the US by kids younger than 14? How about you get than 10, let alone 6?

 

That's a pretty wild accusation that's not actually substantiated by fact, at least in terms of meaningful amounts of US consumer goods.

 

Also, what would be a better thing for the 8 year old in India? Starvation?

I don't think it happens widely in the past but it has in the past 35 years and we did nothing to stop it from happening or U.S. companies from profiting from it.

What's your evidence?

 

And if if true, American consumers profited from it. And guess what, after a painful period (thanks mainly to socialist policies for most of indias recent history), the conditions in India have improved to a point where child labor has been reduced significantly.

 

That's real progress. And it was driven by free trade and capitalism.

 

 

 

So, which is it?

[ZRod]

 

 

 

 

The liberals on this board are very funny! I won't defend Trump or what he is talking about, but the extreme positions being assigned to Trump is comical!

 

That Nationalism that everyone is afraid of is what made this country what it was. Globalization is what is making America a has been.

 

Judge Trump simply by the man's own words. It's hilarious.

 

I don't know about "everyone" but please don't assume what kind of nationalism I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the stupid, short-sighted, politically motivated nationalism. The world is full of cautionary tales, and we had one in Britain merely a week ago.

 

Again, I'm waiting for a Trump supporter -- or anyone else -- to give me the rough year or era when America was Great, so we could review the specifics and aim to go back there.

 

 

 

 

(careful, it's a trap)

lol, you won't trap anyone!

 

There have always been social issues throughout history, but that doesn't change the enormous economic prosperity brought on by buying America first. Driving around smaller towns (went to my old hometown) you can see the affects of globalization.

Small towns didn't fail because of globalization, unless you consider a kid's choice to move to a major US urban center, and away from small towns and farms, "globalization."

 

Yes they did. If what you are saying is true, then small towns would have totally disappeared. That isn't the case at all, matter of fact the pure population hasn't dropped much at all (in the small towns I lived in), but store front after store is empty.

 

Lack of jobs is the reason those kids are moving!

Why don't they have a job? Because industrialization has made it unnecessary. You can plant and cultivate more efficiently than ever before. You have a 4-wheeler instead of a horse. Massive poultry farms. Machines that milk cows. Walmart instead of the grocery store. You can order anything you want online and have it shipped to you in a couple days (and it can all be done without buying foreign).... how is that globalization? Think man! It's not the scapegoat you're looking for.

[huskerfan2000]

 

 

 

 

 

The liberals on this board are very funny! I won't defend Trump or what he is talking about, but the extreme positions being assigned to Trump is comical!

 

That Nationalism that everyone is afraid of is what made this country what it was. Globalization is what is making America a has been.

Judge Trump simply by the man's own words. It's hilarious.

 

I don't know about "everyone" but please don't assume what kind of nationalism I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the stupid, short-sighted, politically motivated nationalism. The world is full of cautionary tales, and we had one in Britain merely a week ago.

 

Again, I'm waiting for a Trump supporter -- or anyone else -- to give me the rough year or era when America was Great, so we could review the specifics and aim to go back there.

 

 

 

 

(careful, it's a trap)

lol, you won't trap anyone!

 

There have always been social issues throughout history, but that doesn't change the enormous economic prosperity brought on by buying America first. Driving around smaller towns (went to my old hometown) you can see the affects of globalization.

Small towns didn't fail because of globalization, unless you consider a kid's choice to move to a major US urban center, and away from small towns and farms, "globalization."

 

Yes they did. If what you are saying is true, then small towns would have totally disappeared. That isn't the case at all, matter of fact the pure population hasn't dropped much at all (in the small towns I lived in), but store front after store is empty.

 

Lack of jobs is the reason those kids are moving!

Why don't they have a job? Because industrialization has made it unnecessary. You can plant and cultivate more efficiently than ever before. You have a 4-wheeler instead of a horse. Massive poultry farms. Machines that milk cows. Walmart instead of the grocery store. You can order anything you want online and have it shipped to you in a couple days (and it can all be done without buying foreign).... how is that globalization. Think man! It's not the scapegoat you're looking for.

 

 

 

lol, I would say the same to you. All of those things still need workers. I know about farming (in my family), I know about poultry farms, close by. Yes, the internet has played a roll, but guess where a good portions of the things made come from.. overseas. NAFTA has played a huge roll in this.

 

We use to have a couple of plants close by that have now been moved overseas.

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When i think regulation, i think very minimal. For example, make sure all workers are citizens.

 

I'm sure various industries have a need for some regulation so they don't end up corrupted but that's what I'm thinking about.

Why do workers need to be citizens.

Is this a serious question? Or are you being sarcastic?

Honestly... we let companies have their stuff made by 6 year olds in other countries. Is having illegal immigrant adults as employees really worse than that? IMO it's a lot less bad, but neither happening would be ideal.

 

Here's a good article on non-citizen workers:

 

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

Correct, which is why we are able to impose tariffs so our industries don't get dominated.

Our tariff rate was 1.3% in 2010. The lowest it had ever been in the U.S. since they started keeping track (1792). There is no serious attempt to keep companies from outsourcing to labor that would be illegal if it was located here.

Moraine, what products are being produced outside the US by kids younger than 14? How about you get than 10, let alone 6?

 

That's a pretty wild accusation that's not actually substantiated by fact, at least in terms of meaningful amounts of US consumer goods.

 

Also, what would be a better thing for the 8 year old in India? Starvation?

I don't think it happens widely in the past but it has in the past 35 years and we did nothing to stop it from happening or U.S. companies from profiting from it.

What's your evidence?

 

And if if true, American consumers profited from it. And guess what, after a painful period (thanks mainly to socialist policies for most of indias recent history), the conditions in India have improved to a point where child labor has been reduced significantly.

 

That's real progress. And it was driven by free trade and capitalism.

 

So, which is it?

The socialist policies crippled India's economic development and caused far more death and misery than its people should have endured.

 

Liberalization of the economy during the past 30 years (meaning a move toward a free economy) has led to tremendous growth and improvement in most Indian people's lives.

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The liberals on this board are very funny! I won't defend Trump or what he is talking about, but the extreme positions being assigned to Trump is comical!

 

That Nationalism that everyone is afraid of is what made this country what it was. Globalization is what is making America a has been.

Judge Trump simply by the man's own words. It's hilarious.

 

I don't know about "everyone" but please don't assume what kind of nationalism I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the stupid, short-sighted, politically motivated nationalism. The world is full of cautionary tales, and we had one in Britain merely a week ago.

 

Again, I'm waiting for a Trump supporter -- or anyone else -- to give me the rough year or era when America was Great, so we could review the specifics and aim to go back there.

 

 

 

 

(careful, it's a trap)

lol, you won't trap anyone!

 

There have always been social issues throughout history, but that doesn't change the enormous economic prosperity brought on by buying America first. Driving around smaller towns (went to my old hometown) you can see the affects of globalization.

Small towns didn't fail because of globalization, unless you consider a kid's choice to move to a major US urban center, and away from small towns and farms, "globalization."

 

Yes they did. If what you are saying is true, then small towns would have totally disappeared. That isn't the case at all, matter of fact the pure population hasn't dropped much at all (in the small towns I lived in), but store front after store is empty.

 

Lack of jobs is the reason those kids are moving!

Why don't they have a job? Because industrialization has made it unnecessary. You can plant and cultivate more efficiently than ever before. You have a 4-wheeler instead of a horse. Massive poultry farms. Machines that milk cows. Walmart instead of the grocery store. You can order anything you want online and have it shipped to you in a couple days (and it can all be done without buying foreign).... how is that globalization. Think man! It's not the scapegoat you're looking for.

 

lol, I would say the same to you. All of those things still need workers. I know about farming (in my family), I know about poultry farms, close by. Yes, the internet has played a roll, but guess where a good portions of the things made come from.. overseas. NAFTA has played a huge roll in this.

 

We use to have a couple of plants close by that have now been moved overseas.

 

So, Trump's expressed solution is to penalize companies for that and make American consumers pay the bill.

 

That's just pathetic.

 

You know who else cut off international trade because they couldn't compete? The Soviets.

[huskerfan2000]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The liberals on this board are very funny! I won't defend Trump or what he is talking about, but the extreme positions being assigned to Trump is comical!

 

That Nationalism that everyone is afraid of is what made this country what it was. Globalization is what is making America a has been.

Judge Trump simply by the man's own words. It's hilarious.

 

I don't know about "everyone" but please don't assume what kind of nationalism I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the stupid, short-sighted, politically motivated nationalism. The world is full of cautionary tales, and we had one in Britain merely a week ago.

 

Again, I'm waiting for a Trump supporter -- or anyone else -- to give me the rough year or era when America was Great, so we could review the specifics and aim to go back there.

 

 

 

 

(careful, it's a trap)

lol, you won't trap anyone!

 

There have always been social issues throughout history, but that doesn't change the enormous economic prosperity brought on by buying America first. Driving around smaller towns (went to my old hometown) you can see the affects of globalization.

Small towns didn't fail because of globalization, unless you consider a kid's choice to move to a major US urban center, and away from small towns and farms, "globalization."

 

Yes they did. If what you are saying is true, then small towns would have totally disappeared. That isn't the case at all, matter of fact the pure population hasn't dropped much at all (in the small towns I lived in), but store front after store is empty.

 

Lack of jobs is the reason those kids are moving!

Why don't they have a job? Because industrialization has made it unnecessary. You can plant and cultivate more efficiently than ever before. You have a 4-wheeler instead of a horse. Massive poultry farms. Machines that milk cows. Walmart instead of the grocery store. You can order anything you want online and have it shipped to you in a couple days (and it can all be done without buying foreign).... how is that globalization. Think man! It's not the scapegoat you're looking for.

 

lol, I would say the same to you. All of those things still need workers. I know about farming (in my family), I know about poultry farms, close by. Yes, the internet has played a roll, but guess where a good portions of the things made come from.. overseas. NAFTA has played a huge roll in this.

 

We use to have a couple of plants close by that have now been moved overseas.

 

So, Trump's expressed solution is to penalize companies for that and make American consumers pay the bill.

 

That's just pathetic.

 

You know who else cut off international trade because they couldn't compete? The Soviets.

 

 

Who said that is his solution?

 

EDIT: I don't follow Trump at all.

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The liberals on this board are very funny! I won't defend Trump or what he is talking about, but the extreme positions being assigned to Trump is comical!

 

That Nationalism that everyone is afraid of is what made this country what it was. Globalization is what is making America a has been.

Judge Trump simply by the man's own words. It's hilarious.

 

I don't know about "everyone" but please don't assume what kind of nationalism I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the stupid, short-sighted, politically motivated nationalism. The world is full of cautionary tales, and we had one in Britain merely a week ago.

 

Again, I'm waiting for a Trump supporter -- or anyone else -- to give me the rough year or era when America was Great, so we could review the specifics and aim to go back there.

 

 

 

 

(careful, it's a trap)

lol, you won't trap anyone!

 

There have always been social issues throughout history, but that doesn't change the enormous economic prosperity brought on by buying America first. Driving around smaller towns (went to my old hometown) you can see the affects of globalization.

Small towns didn't fail because of globalization, unless you consider a kid's choice to move to a major US urban center, and away from small towns and farms, "globalization."

 

Yes they did. If what you are saying is true, then small towns would have totally disappeared. That isn't the case at all, matter of fact the pure population hasn't dropped much at all (in the small towns I lived in), but store front after store is empty.

 

Lack of jobs is the reason those kids are moving!

Why don't they have a job? Because industrialization has made it unnecessary. You can plant and cultivate more efficiently than ever before. You have a 4-wheeler instead of a horse. Massive poultry farms. Machines that milk cows. Walmart instead of the grocery store. You can order anything you want online and have it shipped to you in a couple days (and it can all be done without buying foreign).... how is that globalization. Think man! It's not the scapegoat you're looking for.

 

lol, I would say the same to you. All of those things still need workers. I know about farming (in my family), I know about poultry farms, close by. Yes, the internet has played a roll, but guess where a good portions of the things made come from.. overseas. NAFTA has played a huge roll in this.

 

We use to have a couple of plants close by that have now been moved overseas.

So, Trump's expressed solution is to penalize companies for that and make American consumers pay the bill.

 

That's just pathetic.

 

You know who else cut off international trade because they couldn't compete? The Soviets.

Who said that is his solution?

 

EDIT: I don't follow Trump at all.

If people are proposing a penalty, whether outright or as a tax, or that a tariff should be imposed then that's the same thing. And people in this thread have attributed that strategy to Trump (and endorsed it themselves).

 

Do you think the government should penalize or otherwise restrict outsourcing and offshoring?

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

 

The liberals on this board are very funny! I won't defend Trump or what he is talking about, but the extreme positions being assigned to Trump is comical!

 

That Nationalism that everyone is afraid of is what made this country what it was. Globalization is what is making America a has been.

Judge Trump simply by the man's own words. It's hilarious.

 

I don't know about "everyone" but please don't assume what kind of nationalism I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the stupid, short-sighted, politically motivated nationalism. The world is full of cautionary tales, and we had one in Britain merely a week ago.

 

Again, I'm waiting for a Trump supporter -- or anyone else -- to give me the rough year or era when America was Great, so we could review the specifics and aim to go back there.

 

 

 

 

(careful, it's a trap)

lol, you won't trap anyone!

 

There have always been social issues throughout history, but that doesn't change the enormous economic prosperity brought on by buying America first. Driving around smaller towns (went to my old hometown) you can see the affects of globalization.

Small towns didn't fail because of globalization, unless you consider a kid's choice to move to a major US urban center, and away from small towns and farms, "globalization."

 

Yes they did. If what you are saying is true, then small towns would have totally disappeared. That isn't the case at all, matter of fact the pure population hasn't dropped much at all (in the small towns I lived in), but store front after store is empty.

 

Lack of jobs is the reason those kids are moving!

Why don't they have a job? Because industrialization has made it unnecessary. You can plant and cultivate more efficiently than ever before. You have a 4-wheeler instead of a horse. Massive poultry farms. Machines that milk cows. Walmart instead of the grocery store. You can order anything you want online and have it shipped to you in a couple days (and it can all be done without buying foreign).... how is that globalization. Think man! It's not the scapegoat you're looking for.

 

This post is dead on.

 

It's called Walmartization of America. However, it's not just Walmart, it's Homedepot, Lowes...etc. Even the local BIG CO-OP is part of it.

 

You used to drive into a small town and there were dozens of small businesses from shoe stores, grocery stores, feed stores, fertilizer stores...etc. Now....all of those have been combined into these large corporations or the internet.

 

Small towns were always driven by small business owners. Those small business owners have been driven away because most of the population will walk into Walmart and cream their pants because they can buy a pair of shoes for $10 instead of the local shoe store for $50-100.

 

Now....yes....those shoes were made in China. But, the public doesn't give a crap. They want cheap. Funny thing is, Walmart was built on the idea of "Buying American".

 

The vast majority of jobs didn't leave small towns because the factories moved to China. They left because small businesses dried up.

[cm husker]

One important thing to note is that by only having to spend $10 of my productivity on sufficient shoes, I can spend my $40 in saved productivity on other things (or invest it in those big companies).

 

Just saying, it's not like the move to consolidation has led to a reduction in productivity.

[BigRedBuster]

 

Once again, the main issue isn't necessarily buying foreign products. Like many of you are saying, yes, it's beneficial sometimes to get cheaper products from other countries.

 

The problem that Trump continues to mention is that so many of our major companies are leaving and setting up factories in other countries and face no penalty in doing so. Then people complain that there aren't enough good jobs. Something has to be done to keep these companies from fleeing to other countries.

 

Or is that not an issue either?...

How has Trump proposed to fix this?

 

I am still interested in this question.

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

Once again, the main issue isn't necessarily buying foreign products. Like many of you are saying, yes, it's beneficial sometimes to get cheaper products from other countries.

 

The problem that Trump continues to mention is that so many of our major companies are leaving and setting up factories in other countries and face no penalty in doing so. Then people complain that there aren't enough good jobs. Something has to be done to keep these companies from fleeing to other countries.

 

Or is that not an issue either?...

How has Trump proposed to fix this?

I am still interested in this question.

Penalties and taxes on those companies, apparently. So incredibly odd coming from a republican candidate.