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Good to see you all too, I'm doing well, not considering football but so goes life

lol, hi knapp!

I'm not smart enough to know how to be salty about that.

It's about time you all did something worthy of salt. It's been a while. 

@huKSer I'm a fan of two, one because of where I grew up, and one because of where I went to school. I'm sorry this is a difficult concept for you, it isn't for most people. 

What time is Nebraska's game?

I'm on a PC using google chrome. It hasn't worked for me since the board was updated months ago.

Oh shoot, you do have to double click. I'm an idiot. Thanks Mavric.

Heard he was in Fleck's dog house all season for an off the field incident involving Marijuana.

I approve, carry on.

What's an FCU?

You can't ban what you can't see!

Because ND

Yup. 

So when we see something wrong, unjust, or otherwise unethical we shouldn't speak about it until it actually hurts people?

You can do whatever you like but no, I do not think that we should do anything above speaking on it because "it" isn't much of a thing. 

What is unjust or unethical? Nothing has been done.

Conservative and patriotic Poles have marched and joined together in revelry on Independence Day for decades now. These marches have always had a right leaning tilt and this year some Nazis showed up and hijacked it not unlike how anarchists will often hijack left-leaning protests.  Painting this as some kind of "~60,0000 Nazi March" is disingenuous and false. 

What do you want? These people to stop celebrating because Nazis are around? You want them to assault the Nazis? You want the police to arrest or segregate the Nazis? Those options all sound quite Nazi-ish and would be unjust, wrong, and unethical. In a democracy you have to hear people you disagree with, even when those people have some really outlandish and offensive things to say. You beat them through discourse, not violence or silence so if anything seeing people from a broad spectrum of beliefs duking it out relatively peacefully in Poland is a good thing. 

Of course the policies these people want are bad. I don't like them, they wouldn't be good but they'll never become a thing because there are very very few of these people - in the hundreds within Poland itself with maybe a few thousand associates and they're mostly dumb eastern kids trying to be edgy. 

Media in the West and in Russia has a vested interest in smearing Poland and PiS with this Nazi label. The West wants Poland to back off of its anti-refugee stance and Russia wants to paint any Nationalist group (which are almost always anti-Russia) in a former SSR as Fascist as they have done in Ukraine. It's the same brush with which they paint all rebel groups as ISIS or Al-Qaeda in Syria, it's easier for them to sell what they're doing in those countries if they're crusading against the obvious bad guys.

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"I didn't say anything about the US interfering in Polish business."

No, you didn't but that is where this discussion naturally leads. A 20-something "journalist" with no understanding of Polish history goes to Poland and stumbles upon a nationalist rally, sees a few idiots waiving fascist symbols and labels them all Nazis. Add in a crappy Vice feature and Americans will be rabbiling about a boycott, the Government will mull over sanctions and people will start protesting outside their embassy. That's where this goes.

"This is a straightforward is-it-good or is-it-f'n-alarming that this is happening kind of deal. "

It is straightforward. You either support Polish democracy, human rights, and their right to self determination or you're a Communist. 

I kid.

Not everything is black and white. I don't believe that it's good and I don't believe that it's alarming, I absolutely do not care. I barely care about a few hundred American wahoos marching. It's their right in a democracy, let them do it. When it becomes Polish national policy and people are actually affected I'll care, until then; their house, their business. 

They're a small group with no representation in the Polish Parliament. Giving them attention is part of a larger campaign by western media to shame Poles for their widely held anti-immigrant beliefs which is ridiculous. 

...and?

Let them work it out. We make a big deal of Russians meddling in our elections, why stick our fingers in Polish political business?

As Americans we love to export democracy and then condem how the newly democratic people exercise their rights...see Iraq and Afghanistan. The Poles have a democracy let them vote how they please. When they actually begin to violate human rights I’ll begin to care. 

I didn’t read the article and my original response was based on much of the negative coverage that Catholic and Nationalist/Anti-Immigrant groups in Poland have been receiving the last few months and I stand by that. 

This is NOT what happens when you prey on fears, this is what happens when a populace has faced its fears god knows how many times in the last hundred years; partition between the Germans, Austrians, and Russians, Nazi invasion and genocide, half a century of Communist occupation. It would be unfair to draw comparisons between right leaning movements in America and Poland, it's a COMPLETELY different context. They finally have their own country and want to keep it that way. I don't have any problems or qualms about that. Good for them.

Who is preying on their fears?

Hornibrook will cost us a game. 

Dang it, I meant Jones. Butch Jones.

I have forgotten myself

You know it.

We beat LSU by 2. LSU lost to Alabama by 10. Through the transitive property of football we would only lose by 8.

On there now. Strong hsa got to be done now I would think.

Once the mods have had a few days