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Johnny Stanton was nicknamed Johnny Football in high school. That is before Johnny "Football" Manziel ever played a college down. So that is no reference or comparison to Stanton and Manziel. Also, Matthew Stafford probably throws a football better than any human on this planet in terms of straight arm talent. He is indeed in the top 3. The comparison is completely absurd and I don't think anyone who has actually watched Stanton play would call him a "prototypical passing QB." Finally, where is this idea that Stanton is going to stretch the field vertically? There is an article out there that I will search for that says he team in high school runs the ball 68% of the time. But when his team passed, 78% of passes were within 10 yards of the LOS. That equal, what, roughly 7% of plays of passes beyond 10 yards. Many of those were probably in the mid range. So we are looking at about 2% of his plays as throwing the ball down field.

Yes, I watched probably 6 LSU games this year and he played well above half the snaps in each game. Generally only came off the field in 3rd & short and goal line situations - and of course normal rest. He never made a tremendous impact on the game from the games I saw but he was in there at least!

I don't think it makes you a bad fan if you decide to not renew your season tickets. It's a cost-benefit thing. If you feel the product on the field is worth the amount you pay then you will continue to buy the tickets. If not, someone without a wait will pay market value for the tickets. It doesn't make you a bad fan if you just don't want to drop thousands of dollars to watch the team by 20 3 times per year. I personally will be keeping mine but have some friends who just don't feel the product is currently worth the price of admission. That doesn't make me a superior fan.

I disagree. We can defend the pass better than the run, Tech's D isn't very good, and Tech hasn't beaten a team worth noting all year. Texas could have Ash back and they will be looking to make Mack a winner in his last game If Mack is fired, his last game will be this Saturday against Baylor, not the bowl game. So basically, he is gone and we will be facing a Texas team playing their first game for Jon Gruden! We may lose by 63 points!

And the goalpost is moving even further. Why don't you tell me one thing in this entire thread that I have said incorrectly. I have said a lot, don't sit and argue semantics with me when the substance is accurate. Cool, they call it a "waitlist". I'm talking about the "years" of waitlist and paying that Po's sister has been done. Post 123, why don't you address that and try to prove me wrong. Post 128, take a look at that. You, UNL, anyone can call it what they want. I will call it a friggin wait list as long as you realize that there are no years of waiting on it if you are willing to pay the market price. Go back to my car example, if you want to call person X being on a wait list because they offer to pay $5000 less than market value for a car, then call it a wait list or what ever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that there is NO WAITING if you simply pay market value. I really don't care what you call it. Me, UNL and Po's sister call it a waitlist. Mostly because it's a waitlist but also a little bit because it's a waitlist. Waitlist. Ah yes, the continuation of the semantics. When that is all you have, that is when you know you have lost the argument. I'm sorry you didn't have better luck in this one...

Ok, please do. I'm not trying to be as big of an ass to you as it probably appears. But I did just go through this process this spring and now know how this whole thing works. I did a lot of researching and e-mail and calling the ticket office to ensure I know exactly how the whole process works as it cost me a lot of money. Did you only get the tickets without being on the "wait list" because of expansion where there were still seats available. I believe there was a wait list before the expansion when all seats were accounted for and the next person in line would get seats if someone didn't renew them. It was something like April 1st which was the deadline you had to indicate your offered donation amount. From April 1st to mid June, I had to "wait" to see where my seats were. But that is just so they can take all the donation levels and allocate the seats accordingly, so the higher donation levels get the better seats. So yes, you can call that a wait list if you want, but anyone who offered market value got tickets. A wait list to me implies that there are 10,000 seats available and there are 20,000 people willing and have offered market value for those seats. Then people who are willing to pay market value for the seats actually have to wait for years to get the seats. That is not the case in east stadium expansion. The only potential waitlist in memorial stadium is for like a suite. There are like 25 of them or so? There are more than 25 people willing to pay for them, but current owners of those suites have them as long as they continue to pay for them. So there is a wait list for that, but for normal seats, end zone seats, east stadium seats, you can get them next year if you are willing to pay the price.

If you pay market value, there is no wait.

And the goalpost is moving even further. Why don't you tell me one thing in this entire thread that I have said incorrectly. I have said a lot, don't sit and argue semantics with me when the substance is accurate. Cool, they call it a "waitlist". I'm talking about the "years" of waitlist and paying that Po's sister has been done. Post 123, why don't you address that and try to prove me wrong. Post 128, take a look at that. You, UNL, anyone can call it what they want. I will call it a friggin wait list as long as you realize that there are no years of waiting on it if you are willing to pay the market price. Go back to my car example, if you want to call person X being on a wait list because they offer to pay $5000 less than market value for a car, then call it a wait list or what ever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that there is NO WAITING if you simply pay market value.

Ok, please do. I'm not trying to be as big of an ass to you as it probably appears. But I did just go through this process this spring and now know how this whole thing works. I did a lot of researching and e-mail and calling the ticket office to ensure I know exactly how the whole process works as it cost me a lot of money.

Yes. She does. Your first $50 is paid as a deposit and that is for any donation amount. Everything else is returned. The whole process is as follows: 1. You OFFER a donation level 2. Then tell you where your seats are - exact location, row, seat number - You accept them and they bill you for the entire donation, plus face value of home games - You decline them and you're only required to pay $50 for the deposit. The donation is only an "offered" amount.

There is no wait list if you're willing to pay the price of $150 per seat plus face value. Sorry for my one word you're nitpicking of "may" and didn't go back and edit what I said. There is not a wait list! There IS a waitlist if you only offer a donation below what they recommend, but that isn't what I would call a waitlist. If there is a car you want that is selling for $15,000 and you offer $10,000 and they say "No, you have to pay market value." That is not being on a waitlist, that is you not willing to pay for the commodity you want. And that still doesn't change the fact that Po is saying you have to pay to be on a waitlist that doesn't exist. I will go back and take the one word ("may") that I threw in there while typing a post and my post is 100% accurate.. And Po's post will still be 0% accurate. So there are zero people who give money to the university for tickets, but who don't give enough to get tickets, that's what you're saying? Everyone who gives money gets tickets? There really isn't a points-based heirarchy determining who gets what level of seat and who gets no seat at all? I just want to be perfectly clear we're talking about the same thing. This is what you're saying, yes? Again, I don't know how I'm getting questioned right now when Po's statements are just accepted because he is "liked" on the board. Knapp, if you want to call something a waitlist where someone gives money to the university below the listed price they provide and doesn't get tickets for that, then fine, call it a wait list. They list prices for the tickets in the section, if you're not willing to pay the prices, you won't get tickets. It's that simple. The cheapest seats are $150 per seat. If you offer $150 per seat on the dot, then sure, then the priority points go into effect. If you offer $150.01, then you get the seats before someone who has been donating for 50 years if their offer is $150. I also want to be clear. If you offer $100 per seat and don't get tickets, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PAY THAT MONEY. THE DONATION IS ONLY PAID IF YOU ACCEPT THE SEATS THEY TELL YOU YOU WILL HAVE. If you don't get any seats or seats you don't like, then you just say no thanks and you're not required to pay the donation you offered.

I would strongly contend this post is an attempt to move the goalposts. No matter the topic in any thread, is it wrong to point out when people provide incorrect facts? I'm not arguing opinions here, he said an incorrect fact and I was simply correcting the fact. Posts from him: There is no waiting list, she has not been on it for years. I know 4 different people and myself who are first time season ticket holders this year with no waiting list. See my response above, there is no waiting list. Thousands waiting there turn? I guess I was just the exception and all my friends who didn't have to wait their turn. No, I did plenty of research and spoke with the ticket office multiple times upon becoming a season ticket holder to ensure you do not have to donate to be on this "wait list."

There is no wait list if you're willing to pay the price of $150 per seat plus face value. Sorry for my one word you're nitpicking of "may" and didn't go back and edit what I said. There is not a wait list! There IS a waitlist if you only offer a donation below what they recommend, but that isn't what I would call a waitlist. If there is a car you want that is selling for $15,000 and you offer $10,000 and they say "No, you have to pay market value." That is not being on a waitlist, that is you not willing to pay for the commodity you want. And that still doesn't change the fact that Po is saying you have to pay to be on a waitlist that doesn't exist. I will go back and take the one word ("may") that I threw in there while typing a post and my post is 100% accurate.. And Po's post will still be 0% accurate.

KJ. saw tickets on stubhub. WHICH PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND??!??!? What's the name of that logical fallacy where if you can't argue the point you attack the person instead? There isn't a waiting list. If you're willing to pay the asking price for season tickets, you'll get them. It's not that hard to do, and it costs about $150. The AD doesn't care at all if you've been loyally "waiting" for years to get donationless tickets when someone else is willing to donate. Apparently the idea of a multimillion dollar business not wanting to give away money is difficult for people to understand around here. You have no idea what you're talking about. The people on the waiting list donate. That's how you get on the list in the first place. They can't give you tickets that they don't have to give. Come someone please for the love of god address this post please? Look, I get it, we all think KJ is a tool, but that doesn't mean everything he says is wrong and everyone else who hates him is right. Po, you're wrong here, stop attacking people and saying they have no idea what they are talking about when you literally have not a clue what you're talking about. Like, no clue. At all. None. Your sister has been on a wait list for years and has been donating? Either she is openly donating to Bo's spaghetti fund with no expectation of getting tickets or she is getting ripped off by some African Ponzi scheme, but you DO NOT DONATE MONEY TO GET ON A WAITLIST! I know there are thousands of season ticket holders, can someone just tell him that this is the case since he is likely to argue with me when all of you know it is not true. And as far as the wait list in general goes, sure they MAY be a waitlist, but if you or your sister are willing to pay the asking price, you can get season tickets next year. For example, I went to UNL, graduated last May after having student tickets for all 4 years, having nothing to do with actual, public season tickets. Then knowing East Stadium expansion was occurring and seeing that the donation amount to get those tickets was $150 per seat plus the face value of the tickets, I decided to offer a donation of nearly twice that amount to be safe, and this season I was a first time season ticket holder on the 40 yard line - no wait list involved. Here is a link to show you the donation levels to get the seat you want: http://assets.sbnati...cted_levels.jpg So as KJ said, if you or your sister want to pay $150 per seat, plus $57 per game. That comes to right around $1000 for season tickets in the east stadium expansion, then you can do that for next year, no wait list involved.

I don't recall, is he is Dec grad or will he not be able to make it until summer? I think I remember him being a spring grad but wasn't sure

Wallace is out, Wren is looking slimmer, and nobody has really heard anything on Ballage. Remember he did try and visit us but could not because of the fires in Colorado. Yes, I know. I was just using those "top" targets as examples that it is going to be really difficult to get this class in the top 20. It would be great for us if we were able to get half of those guys.

Not a Bo hater but you never make long term decisions based on a recruiting class. With that said, if you were ever going to make a decision based on a recruiting class (which let me reiterate is completely the dumbest thing ever), this would be the class to do so. This is setting up to be one of Bo's worse rated classes. Two of the top 3 players have a greater chance to not see the field than they do have a chance of seeing the field. If you take those 2 guys off the list, or even Monte Harrison, we are ranked like 60th. We have been ranked in the 15-22 range the last couple years, keeping a coach in order to keep one of the worst rated classes in the last 20 years is not a thought in anyone's mind. what's it like to always see the glass completely empty? it has been mentioned numerous times, throughout this thread and the recruiting board, that come signing day this class should be ranked along the lines of the other classes, in the 15-25 range. so while the class, in november, doesnt look all that appealing you still have until february to make up ground. also with this class it is around half full and many of the teams ahead of them have full classes. it is much harder for them to move up since that requires a bump up to their recruits whereas, depending on the ranking of the recruit, nebraska will most likely move up each time they add a recruit. letting bo go at the end up the season, the new staff will have to re-recruit the players they feel fit their needs from the existing recruits. on top of that they have to go out and find more to fill out their class. if bo is gone after the iowa game the new staff has a bowl game to prepare for, unless ADSE decides to decline the invite (dumb idea all the way around) or the NCAA grants nebraska a waiver to hire a HC and his staff while retaining the other coaches through the bowl game. you're welcome for the stupidly long post to add to your incomplete comment telling you things you already knew but chose to ignore. Oh yes, what I said is completely looking half-empty...... At no point last year were we ranked near 50th. During the season we were ranked in the mid 20's and slowly crept up to the teens and ended right around there. Again, we weren't sitting at 50th at the end of November last year or the year before and moved up 30 spots. THAT IS NOT HOW IT HAPPENED. So go back, make up some other "facts" that you completely fabricate, and let me know when you have another argument in which I'm sure you're going to create. what exactly did i fabricate? where did i say how anything happened in the past? i could provide links to posts have stated the class will end up ranked around where it has ended up the past couple years, if i felt so compelled, but i'm not going to. anyone who follows recruiting on this board has seen these posts. sorry that you dont like having things you said refuted. i merely gave you sound reasoning that things might not be as bad as you think they are. and i gave you no credit for even seeing anything half-empty. 247 has a pretty cool feature where you can add any player to our commit list and see how it would affect our class ranking and where we would end up. If we added just about every top recruit on the board right now, the best we finish is 23rd. This also is if no team ahead of us gets another commit before NSD. So as our current recruiting board stands, the best we finish is 23rd. With other schools continuing to recruit, it's reasonable to assume we will finish in the 25-40 range and nearly impossible to finish in the top 20. I'm not really concerned with recruiting overall, which is why I find it funny you think/assume I'm glass half-empty. Just stop referencing arbitrary tweets and posts of where we "should" finish when there are tools our there to show where we will finish. http://nebraska.247s...Commits/Preview This is if you add: Clinkscales Brian Wallace Nick Gates Kalen Ballage Renell Wren Darius Slade Byerson Cockrell This doesn't include the likely 1 other JUCO CB we will need, but none that are currently interested would move us up a spot.

Not a Bo hater but you never make long term decisions based on a recruiting class. With that said, if you were ever going to make a decision based on a recruiting class (which let me reiterate is completely the dumbest thing ever), this would be the class to do so. This is setting up to be one of Bo's worse rated classes. Two of the top 3 players have a greater chance to not see the field than they do have a chance of seeing the field. If you take those 2 guys off the list, or even Monte Harrison, we are ranked like 60th. We have been ranked in the 15-22 range the last couple years, keeping a coach in order to keep one of the worst rated classes in the last 20 years is not a thought in anyone's mind. what's it like to always see the glass completely empty? it has been mentioned numerous times, throughout this thread and the recruiting board, that come signing day this class should be ranked along the lines of the other classes, in the 15-25 range. so while the class, in november, doesnt look all that appealing you still have until february to make up ground. also with this class it is around half full and many of the teams ahead of them have full classes. it is much harder for them to move up since that requires a bump up to their recruits whereas, depending on the ranking of the recruit, nebraska will most likely move up each time they add a recruit. letting bo go at the end up the season, the new staff will have to re-recruit the players they feel fit their needs from the existing recruits. on top of that they have to go out and find more to fill out their class. if bo is gone after the iowa game the new staff has a bowl game to prepare for, unless ADSE decides to decline the invite (dumb idea all the way around) or the NCAA grants nebraska a waiver to hire a HC and his staff while retaining the other coaches through the bowl game. you're welcome for the stupidly long post to add to your incomplete comment telling you things you already knew but chose to ignore. Oh yes, what I said is completely looking half-empty...... At no point last year were we ranked near 50th. During the season we were ranked in the mid 20's and slowly crept up to the teens and ended right around there. Again, we weren't sitting at 50th at the end of November last year or the year before and moved up 30 spots. THAT IS NOT HOW IT HAPPENED. So go back, make up some other "facts" that you completely fabricate, and let me know when you have another argument in which I'm sure you're going to create.

They certainly should be. Seems like a light went on for Valentine over the last few games. Did the light go on or did he finally get an opportunity to play once Bo was forced to take Thad off the field due to an injury. VV could have been doing this all season but our coaches have played a severely less talented, less effective senior in VV's place. Thad played 65 snaps on defense against Minnesota. VV played fewer than 5, 2 of which were on special teams.

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I want a list of the 6 lineman we were missing, please

Find me a better coach than Bo that is winning 9+ games against all good-great teams. I agree. But coaches like that are pretty rare. Since nearly every team schedules at least three tomato can games per year, a season with 9+ quality wins is an undefeated season. Usually not more than one or two of the 120 teams get through a season unscathed. Yep. You're right. Let's take a closer look at Saban. His non conference schedule this year is Virginia Tech-Close to UCLA, Colorado State-Close to Wyoming. And then he had the daunting task of going up against Georgia State and Chattanooga. Alabama's opponents combined record so far this year is 58-65. Presuming they win against Auburn, that will go to 68-67. They will have beaten 6 teams with an above 500 record. One of those teams is in FCS. Other than Auburn, no record will be better than 8-3. Nebraska's opponents combined record so far is 61-61. Presuming they beat Iowa, that will go to 67-66. They will have beaten 7 teams with an above 500 record. One of those teams in the FCS. Other than Michigan State, no other team has a record higher than 8-3. 2 outstanding differences- Bama has beaten 2 top 25 teams in the current standings. Nebraska-0. Bama has won all of their games. Nebraska has not. So my point is that Bo isn't playing inferior competition to pad his record. He just hasn't gotten over the hump yet. I'm confused about the bolded. Which 7 teams with a winning record have we beaten? Yout may be saying something else and I may be reading and interpreting this wrong, but our wins are against: Wyoming (5-6), So Miss (0-11), Purude (1-10), Illinois (4-7), NW (4-7), Mich (7-4), PSU (6-5). Not counting SDSU for obvious reasons. PSU and Michigan will get boat-raced against Wisconsin and OSU, meaning we will have just 1 win against a team with a winning record - Michigan at 7-5.

Not a Bo hater but you never make long term decisions based on a recruiting class. With that said, if you were ever going to make a decision based on a recruiting class (which let me reiterate is completely the dumbest thing ever), this would be the class to do so. This is setting up to be one of Bo's worse rated classes. Two of the top 3 players have a greater chance to not see the field than they do have a chance of seeing the field. If you take those 2 guys off the list, or even Monte Harrison, we are ranked like 60th. We have been ranked in the 15-22 range the last couple years, keeping a coach in order to keep one of the worst rated classes in the last 20 years is not a thought in anyone's mind.

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They also game planned specifically for him, go back and watch how many times they dropped straight back, most of the passes were roll or sprint outs AWAY from him. You could also tell hackenberg isn't extremely comfortable throwing on the run, I would say rrg44 had a good impact on the game just because of that! I have watched the game over and charted drop back plays. They had like 22 straight drop backs in the pocket. 17 times he was 1 on 1 vs the LT. He had 0 QB hurries and 0 sacks. The got stone walled every time. The roll outs PSU were running had more to do with our over pursuit in the run game than running away from RG, although he may have had a little impact on the play design. But again, there wasn't much to worry about because he was getting beat 1 on 1 the entire game. I'm not saying he isn't great or won't be great, but people are allowed to make fair observations and that is what I'm doing. Don't take it as me saying I think he sucks. He had a solid game in run support and had poor game in rushing the passer. Not a big deal, he will be better next week