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I hope and want to believe so -- again even if it appears to be a bit muddy - maybe it will spur more talking and making it more concise and clear. Again movement in the right direction vs war.

Guys you are missing the whole point of the post. Perhaps the posted article was a bit overboard as an example - it was to spring board the real discussion but was probably too big of a distraction - I could have left it off as it took away from my point but it was a part of the eml sent to me. My apologies for it. Read my portion and I said PC can occur both ways but tends towards the liberal bent (on most campuses but this isn't always the case). My 3 questions are essentially about opening up free speech on campus and the post is the complete opposite of 'convincing people to be 'brain wash'. Come on BRB the Taliban - really!! I'm wanting more free speech and you use the Taliban. BRB, I've probably agreed with you on more things than not and now you bring up the Taliban in response to my post. Pretty disappointing. You guys are starting to prove my point. Intolerance of my position is met wt name calling and dismissed out of had without addressing the core issue I brought up - 1st amendment rights on campus. So I will present the purpose of the original post from a liberal position, by a liberal 1st amendment lawyer instead - so that Knapp cannot falsely accuse me of being a conservative shill - even after I said the same issues could be observed at conservative or religious schools as well. Knapp - on a personal note, I've done nothing but to show you the highest respect in my posts and in PMs even when we've been on the opposite side of the debate (there have been many times I've agreed with you and have told you so, or I have given you credit for my moderation). Name calling is beneath the respect I've given you.. most disappointing in all. First George Will, conservative, talks about & agrees with the book Unlearning Liberty by Greg Lukianoff ( the liberal author) This issue spans the political spectrum http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20121204/WIRE/312039985?p=1&tc=pg George Will notes in the above link: (bold emphasis mine) “Ample evidence is in "Unlearning Liberty: Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate" by Greg Lukianoff, 38, a graduate of Stanford Law School who describes himself as a liberal, pro-choice, pro-gay rights, lifelong Democrat who belongs to "the notoriously politically correct Park Slope Food Co-Op in Brooklyn" and has never voted for a Republican "nor do I plan to." But as president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), he knows that the most common justifications for liberal censorship are "sensitivity" about "diversity" and "multiculturalism," as academic liberals understand those things.” end of quote (TG Comment: Lukianoff’s book addresses ‘censorship’ across the political spectrum) Unlearning Liberty: Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate Author: Greg Lukianoff Published: 2014 Publisher: Encounter Books ISBN: 9781594036354 Format: Retail PDF Reader Required:Adobe Reader, Foxit, Nitro, Adobe Digital Editions For over a generation, shocking cases of censorship at America’s colleges and universities have taught students the wrong lessons about living in a free society. Drawing on a decade of experience battling for freedom of speech on campus, First Amendment lawyer Greg Lukianoff reveals how higher education fails to teach students to become critical thinkers: by stifling open debate, our campuses are supercharging ideological divisions, promoting groupthink, and encouraging an unscholarly certainty about complex issues. Lukianoff walks readers through the life of a modern-day college student, from orientation to the end of freshman year. Through this lens, he describes startling violations of free speech rights: a student in Indiana punished for publicly reading a book, a student in Georgia expelled for a pro-environment collage he posted on Facebook, students at Yale banned from putting an F. Scott Fitzgerald quote on a T shirt, and students across the country corralled into tiny “free speech zones” when they wanted to express their views. But Lukianoff goes further, demonstrating how this culture of censorship is bleeding into the larger society. As he explores public controversies involving Juan Williams, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Larry Summers—even Dave Barry and Jon Stewart—Lukianoff paints a stark picture of our ability as a nation to discuss important issues rationally. Unlearning Liberty: Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate illuminates how intolerance for dissent and debate on today’s campus threatens the freedom of every citizen and makes us all just a little bit dumber. http://www.amazon.com/Unlearning-Liberty-Campus-Censorship-American/dp/1594037302/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428680058&sr=8-1&keywords=Unlearning+Liberty%3A Greg Lukianoff is an attorney and president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. His writings on campus free speech have appeared in the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and the Washington Post, in addition to dozens of other publications. A regular columnist for the Huffington Post, he is a frequent guest on nationally syndicated radio programs and has made numerous television appearances, including on the CBS Evening News and Stossel. He received the 2008 Playboy Foundation Freedom of Expression Award and the 2010 Ford Hall Forum’s Louis P. and Evelyn Smith First Amendment Award on behalf of FIRE. Lukianoff is a graduate of American University and Stanford Law School. http://www.unlearningliberty.com/reviews/ A liberal mag article by Greg Lukianoff http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-lukianoff/harvard-and-how-silence-i_b_3072123.html A conservative mag article by Greg Lukianoff http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/03/26/fau-college-student-who-didnt-want-to-stomp-on-jesus-runs-afoul-of-speech-code/ Other articles listed below the reviews. Note the reviews below: from all sides of the political, religious, non-religious spectrum Even the former President of the ACLU approves of the book below: Reviews for ‘Unlearning Liberty’ “Modern societies grant their universities many privileges, from subsidized partying for students to lifelong tenure for professors. In return, universities are supposed to be laboratories of ideas, where diverse theories—including new and unpopular ones, which history tells us have some chance of being correct—may be broached and evaluated. In this alternately entertaining and shocking book, Greg Lukianoff shows how modern American universities have abdicated this responsibility. Their bloated bureaucracies, enabled by cowardly leaders and mobilized by politically correct crusaders from the left and the right, have clamped down on free expression, with the tragicomic result that you have far more freedom to express opinions outside a university than within one. Lukianoff is an engaging exposer of this scandal, combining good storytelling with clear principles and a serious purpose with a light touch.” Steven Pinker, Harvard College Professor of Psychology, Harvard University, author of The Blank Slate and The Better Angels of Our Nature “Greg has spent over a decade working to bring the Constitution back to campus. In Unlearning Liberty, he brings to life his many fights with university censors and shows the abandonment of fundamental freedoms on campus for what it is—an issue of grave importance to every single American. Anyone concerned about the future of higher education, the state of national discourse, or the future of our civil liberties should read this enlightening and revelatory book.” Nat Hentoff, journalist, author of Free Speech for Me—But Not for Thee “Here’s a book full of sunlight—the best disinfectant for campus censorship.” Jonathan Rauch, guest scholar, Brookings Institution, author of Kindly Inquisitors: The New Attacks on Free Thought “Greg Lukianoff’s Unlearning Liberty is destined to be a classic work on freedom in America. His beautifully written account—as riveting as it is distressing—covers all areas of higher education, including student orientation, life in the dorms, speech in the public forum, the conduct of student judicial systems, and learning in the classroom. Lukianoff’s findings should occasion a call to metaphorical arms: rather than teaching the lessons of living as free people, American higher education is doing the opposite. It is encouraging students to “unlearn” the liberty that is their constitutional heritage. Those who care about the fate of our republic must read this important book.” Donald Alexander Downs, Alexander Meiklejohn Professor of Political Science, Law, and Journalism, University of Wisconsin-Madison, author of Restoring Free Speech and Liberty on Campus “American universities have been described as islands of intolerance in a sea of freedom. Unlearning Liberty is a meticulous and inspiring guide on how to liberate the islands!” Christina Hoff Sommers, resident scholar, American Enterprise Institute, author of The War Against Boys “’Brazenly unconstitutional and hypocritical’ is how Greg Lukianoff, president of FIRE, characterizes the bizarre and even comical restrictions on free speech that have become routine on college campuses over the past few decades. In Unlearning Liberty, Lukianoff uses intelligence, passion, and common sense to describe and denounce the censorship and punitive vigilance that have come to prevail both in the classroom and out. Exposing the incoherent politics that ensue when vigorous debate and dissent are seen as too dangerous, too upsetting, to be tolerated, he shows that being offended is not only the price of liberty but is intrinsic as well to the process of genuine thought and learning. Lukianoff argues brilliantly and with wit for the importance of free expression in a society that hopes to produce free human beings rather than craven conformists. All those who suspect they might one day want to express an unorthodox thought or take an unpopular stance need to read this book. Now!” Daphne Patai, professor, Department of Languages, Literatures, and Cultures, University of Massachusetts Amherst, author of What Price Utopia? “Unlearning Liberty shows why free speech rights on campus are more important than ever, and how controversy is still a great teacher.” Mary Beth Tinker, plaintiff in Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District “Beautifully written and powerfully argued, Unlearning Liberty is a dismaying chronicle of the sorry state of free speech on today’s campus – and beyond. Lukianoff demonstrates how pervasive campus censorship corrodes the intellectual independence that is essential for liberty and democracy to thrive in our larger society. Most readers will be shocked to learn how even the most respected higher education institutions, while paying lip service to academic freedom, in fact systematically suppress dissent and criticism. An essential wake-up call!” Nadine Strossen, Professor of Law, New York Law School, former President, American Civil Liberties Union (1991-2008), author of Defending Pornography: Free Speech, Sex, and the Fight for Women’s Rights One reviewer on Amazon stated: America used to be a tolerant society. In part, Lukianoff's book laments the degradation of tolerance in our society. What's going on reminds me of what Camile Paglia recently said. "The left has destroyed the principles & the legacy of free speech & tolerance fought hard for & won at great price by the counterculture revolution of the 1960s." ~ Camile Paglia, author, one of the founders of the feminist movement, openly gay lesbian, once proud Democrat, & a professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia. Media Reviews of Unlearning Liberty “Learning Censorship on Campus,” Luke Sheahan, The Journal of Value Inquiry, Jun. 18, 2013 “Civility and Sex Speech,” Carlin Romano, The Chronicle of Higher Education, Jun. 17, 2013 “Lukianoff’s Ashes,” Les Sillars, Salvo, Jun. 8, 2013 “Unlearning Liberty Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate by Greg Lukianoff,” What Would The Founders Think, Jun. 3, 2013 “Review of Unlearning Liberty,” Steve Macek, Academe, May 8, 2013 “College: Where Free Speech Goes to Die,” Bruce Thornton, Defining Ideas, Hoover Institution, Feb. 28, 2013 (Also published in Real Clear Politics, Feb. 28, 2013) “Dismantling Dissent,” James D. Hoff, The GC Advocate, Feb. 15, 2013 “Unlearning Christianity,” Benjamin Wiker, Catholic World Report, Feb. 10, 2013 “Unlearning Liberty: The Uncertain Future of Free Speech,” Julia Thompson, tothesource, Feb. 1, 2013 “Books in Brief,” Evan Sparks, Philanthropy Roundtable, Winter 2013 magazine “Campus Censorship Breeds Societal Dysfunction,” Harvey Silverglate, Forbes, Jan. 16, 2013 “Unlearning Liberty (Book Review),” Deone Emineth, Great Plains Examiner, Jan. 12, 2013 “Unlearning Liberty,” Harry Lewis, Bits and Pieces, Jan. 12, 2013 “Unlearning Liberty: Hazelwood at 25,” David Moshman, The Huffington Post, Jan. 6, 2013 “Free Speech at Risk in the Universities,” Matthew Hurtt, America’s Future Foundation, Doublethink Online, Jan. 4, 2013 “Campus Liberty Under Siege by Liberal Academia,” Melvyn L. Fein, The Marietta Daily Journal, Jan. 7, 2013 “Free Speech in Higher Education,” Kenneth L. Marcus, The Jerusalem Post, Dec. 26, 2012 “Preoccupied with Regulating Student Thought Crime, Universities Ignore Binge Drinking,” J.P. Freire, Acculturated, Dec. 10, 2012 “Colleges Hate Free Speech. Why Should I Care,” David French, National Review Online, Dec. 6, 2012 Speak Loudly and Carry a Big Stick,” Danielle Charette, Swarthmore College’s The Phoenix, Dec. 6, 2012 “It’s a Beautiful Thing, the Destruction of Words.,” The Legal Satyricon, Dec. 5, 2012 “Colleges Have Free Speech on the Run,” George F. Will, The Washington Post, Nov. 30, 2012 “Unlearning Liberty,” Tim Black, The Spiked Review of Books – Issue no. 62, Nov. 30, 2012 “Unlearning Liberty,” Denyse O’Leary, MercatorNet, Nov. 28, 2012 “Barone: The Tyranny of Good Intentions at U.S. Colleges,” Michael Barone, The Washington Examiner, Nov 27. 2012 “Young: Political Correctness on Campus Chills Debate,” Cathy Young, Newsday, Nov. 26, 2012 “Cool Justice: Shouting Fire: Antidote for Mind-Numbing Political Correctness,” Andy Thibault, The Register Citizen, Nov. 26, 2012 (Also published in the Housatonic Times, Nov. 27, 2012) “The Imperiled Freedom the Candidates Ignored,” Peter Berkowitz, Real Clear Politics, Nov. 21, 2012 “Weekend Interview: How Free Speech Died on Campus,” Sohrab Ahmari, Wall Street Journal – Weekend, Nov. 16, 2012 “Review: Unlearning Liberty,” Bonnie Pritchett, World on Campus, Nov. 15, 2012 “Working Together to Liberate the Quad,” Bruce Walsh, Metro Newspapers, Nov. 11, 2012 “Free Speech on FIRE,” Robert VerBruggen, National Review Online, Nov. 9, 2012 “Unlearning Liberty: A Must Read to Deter the Degradation of Discourse,” William R. Toler, Independent Register, Nov. 6, 2012 “For Men, Little Due Process on the College Campus,” Helen Smith, PJ Media, Nov. 2, 2012 “FIRE Singes the Censors,” Donald A. Downs, Minding the Campus, Nov. 2, 2012 “A Psychological Solution to Bullying,” Izzy Kalman, Psychology Today, Nov. 1, 2012 “Unlearning Liberty: Censorship on College Campuses,” Rachel Moran, Reason, Oct. 26, 2012 “Campus Censorship: ‘It’s Much Worse Than People Think,” Jennifer Kabbany, The Daily Caller/The College Fix, Oct. 24, 2012 “Putting on the Fresh Person Fifteen,” Mike Adams, Townhall.com, Oct. 29, 2012 “Unlearning Liberty,” Mike Adams, Townhall.com, Oct. 23, 2012 “Teaching the Wrong Lessons,” George Leef, The Pope Center, Oct. 23, 2012 “Unlearning Liberty: An Important But Frightening Tale of How We’re Being Taught to Accept Censorship,” Ken White, Popehat, Oct. 23, 2012 “Fighting for Free Speech,” Andrew Evans, The Washington Free Beacon, Oct. 22, 2012 “Book Review: Unlearning Liberty,” Sol Schindler, The Washington Times, Oct. 18, 2012 “Unlearning Liberty: Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate,” Publisher’s Weekly, Sep. 24, 2012 Greg’s Writing in Connection with Unlearning Liberty NOTE – his writings are on Liberal and Conservative sites Wall Street Journal, “Greg Lukianoff: Feds to Students: You Can’t say That,” May 16, 2013 Minding the Campus, “6 Ways to Defeat the Campus Censors,” Apr. 21, 2013 The Huffington Post, “Harvard and How Silence Isn’t Golden,” Apr. 12, 2013 The Daily Caller, “The New Victorians strike yet again,” Apr. 12, 2013 CNET, “Twitter, hate speech, and the costs of keeping quiet,” Apr. 7, 2013 Forbes, “FAU College Student Who Didn’t Want To Stomp On ‘Jesus’ Runs Afoul of Speech Code,” Mar. 26, 2013 ACS Book Blog, “Campus Censorship, Unlearning Liberty, and the New American Echo Chamber,” Mar. 21, 2013 Wall Street Journal, “Campus Clampdowns on Free Speech Flunk Their Legal Tests,” Feb. 16, 2013 National Association of Scholars, One Hundred Great Ideas for Higher Education, “Teach the Habit of Debate,” Feb. 7, 2013 The Huffington Post, “Breaking: Federal Jury Finds College President Personally Liable in ‘Facebook Collage’ Case” Feb. 1, 2013 Ricochet, “Six Years After Expulsion for a Peaceful Protest, Decision May Come Any Minute in Infamous ‘Facebook Collage’ Case,” Jan. 30, 2013 Forbes, “A Canadian College Student Vandalizes Free Speech Wall, Then Claims Moral High Ground,” Jan. 30, 2013 The Huffington Post, “Censorship on Campus in 2012: From Benghazi to Free Speech Zones at the University of Missouri,” Dec. 31, 2012 Forbes, “Speech Codes: The Biggest Scandal On College Campuses Today,” Dec. 19, 2012 The Daily Caller, “Campus Censorship, Chilled Speech and ‘Unlearning Liberty,’” Nov. 14, 2012 The Huffington Post, “Censored: Top Ten Pics Too Hot for Campus,” Nov. 12, 2012 New York Daily News, “N.Y.’s Ivory Towers vs. Free Speech,” Nov. 11, 2012 Breitbart, “Presidential Debates Would Have Violated ‘Speech Codes’ of Host Universities, Oct. 25, 2012 The New York Times, “Feigning Free Speech on Campus,” Oct. 24, 2012 The Huffington Post, “Censorship on Campus Is Everyone’s Problem,” Oct. 17, 2012 The Daily Caller, “How campus censorship makes us all a little bit dumber,” Oct. 15, 2012 The Daily Caller, “Unlearning Liberty: Auburn’s Censorship of Ron Paul Poster is Part of Larger Problem,” Sep. 20, 2012 This is just one liberal authors' view which I agree with. And he seems to be back by many from all sides of the political landscape. If people from the right and from the left see it as an issue than maybe it just might be an issue worthy of discussing. TG: Now we can either discus the essence of my post: Is free speech being limited unfairly on campuses? What kind of speech can and should be limited? (a related topic) Or we can call names and demonstrate that the Huskerboard itself is not a place for free speech at least in the Political/Religious forum. Why is this topic important to me? Because I teach as an adjunct part time and I encourage free speech and open sharing of ideas in my classes (yes they are business related - so you can't get too 'far out' there but there is still plenty of opportunity regardless)

Maybe the deal isn't as solid as we thought? Khamenei seems to disagree: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ayatollah-khamenei-accuses-wh-lying-being-deceptive-and-having-devilish-intentions_914336.html

I received this eml link recently and thought I'd share for discussion. Questions that it brings up: Is political correctness getting in the way of quality education? Is political correctness getting in the way of 1st amendment free speech? Is PC damaging the ability to have free expression of thought in the class room? Of course PC can cut both ways. We tend to think of it as a 'liberal' issue now under the current cultural environment - it is the most dominant PC position. Liberals are suppose to be all about free expression (thoughts, words, love and otherwise) yet it is only free within certain perimeters of acceptability which is defined by them. To be otherwise (outside of the perimeter) is to be intolerant. So they are intolerant of those who think otherwise (the 'intolerant'). It is possible that this could cut the other way also. If our country's media, education, political environment was more conservative perhaps we would see a 'reverse PC'. So the discussion isn't about liberal PC or Conservative PC (We might observe conservative PC at a very conservative or religious college) it is about PC regardless of slant and its affect on 'liberal' education. The person who emailed this to me stated: It is a quick read (pasted below) that highlights how freedom of expression is being lost under the guise of “inclusive language campaigns" and campus speech codes. I find it a bit ironic that the conservative Christian college that I am associated with seems to enjoy more intellectual liberty than many of its counterparts who seek to purge certain thoughts and words from their communities because they find them intolerable under their banner of "tolerance?” http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/americas-colleges-have-become-political-correctness-indoctrination-centers America’s Colleges Have Become Political Correctness Indoctrination Centers By Michael Snyder, on February 9th, 2015 Most parents assume that when they send their kids to college that they will receive training which will prepare them for a lifetime of employment. Sadly, the truth is that very little time is actually spent imparting practical skills to students at most of America’s colleges. Instead, an extraordinary amount of classroom time is spent telling students what they should think and what they should believe. At this point, most institutions of “higher learning” in this country have been transformed into political correctness indoctrination centers. There is a reason why college towns have a reputation for being extremely liberal. The truth is that they are bastions for “progressive” thought. Each and every day, millions of young adults all across America are literally being systematically brainwashed. In case you are wondering, I know what I am talking about. I spent eight years getting three degrees at public universities. And it doesn’t even really matter what area of the country you attend school. The “education” that students are receiving at schools in very liberal states is virtually the same as the “education” that students are receiving at schools in very conservative states. Our young adults represent the future of this nation, and they are receiving a level of indoctrination that is so comprehensive that it would make Joseph Goebbels proud. Colleges and universities all across this nation spend an extraordinary amount of time and effort to alter the belief systems of their students. This even extends to teaching them what words are “appropriate” to use and which words are not. For example, just check out what is happening at the University of Michigan… Dozens of posters plastered across the University of Michigan caution students not to say things that might hurt others’ feelings, part of a new “Inclusive Language Campaign” at the state’s flagship public university that cost $16,000 to implement. Words declared unacceptable through the campaign include “crazy,” “insane,” “retarded,” “gay,” “tranny,” “gypped,” “illegal alien,” “****,” “ghetto” and “raghead.” Phrases such as “I want to die” and “that test raped me” are also verboten. But this isn’t just an advertising campaign. In fact, University of Michigan students are actually being asked to sign a pledge that they will use “inclusive language” from now on… Students have been asked to sign a pledge to “use inclusive language” and to help their peers “understand the importance of using inclusive language,” according to campaign materials. If you think that this is just an isolated incident, you would be wrong. One survey of 409 colleges conducted in 2013 discovered that 62 percent of them have “speech codes” that “severely departed from First Amendment standards”. Meanwhile, these “institutions of higher learning” are failing miserably at what is supposedly their primary task. Today, the average college freshman reads at a 7th grade level. In a desperate attempt to get as many students through the system as possible, most college courses have been so “dumbed down” that the family dog could pass them. If only parents knew. The amount of useful knowledge that their kids are actually receiving is very small. But most parents are utterly clueless and they just keep writing huge tuition checks semester after semester. It would be hard to describe how utterly useless some of these college courses are. For instance, there is one college in upstate New York that is offering a course entitled “The Sociology of Miley Cyrus: Race, Class, Gender and Media“. Do you think that is going to prepare your child for the real world? And here is a list of some other actual college courses that have been taught at U.S. colleges in recent years… -“What If Harry Potter Is Real?” -“Lady Gaga and the Sociology of Fame” -“Philosophy And Star Trek” -“Learning From YouTube” -“How To Watch Television” -“Oh, Look, a Chicken!” Are you starting to get the picture? No wonder so many students “graduate from college” but are still dumb as a rock. The following are some numbers about the quality of college education in the United States that come from an article that appeared in USA Today… -“After two years in college, 45% of students showed no significant gains in learning; after four years, 36% showed little change.” -“Students also spent 50% less time studying compared with students a few decades ago” -“35% of students report spending five or fewer hours per week studying alone.” -“50% said they never took a class in a typical semester where they wrote more than 20 pages” -“32% never took a course in a typical semester where they read more than 40 pages per week.” But even with so little being demanded of them, most college students in the United States still cannot manage to graduate from school on time. Federal statistics show that only 36 percent of all full-time students receive a bachelor’s degree within four years, and only 77 percent of all full-time students have earned a degree by the end of six years. Instead of studying hard, most college students treat college like one giant party. No wonder so many of them want to extend it for another year or two or three. And when these kids get away from their parents, their morality tends to go into the toilet. For example, just check out what one survey discovered about male college students… A third of male students questioned in a survey admitted they would rape a woman if they could get away with it. The study found that 31.7 per cent of the mostly white American participants questioned admitted they would force a woman to have sex in a ‘consequence-free situation’. Academics quizzed volunteers on how they would act in a situation where they could have sex with a woman against her will ‘if nobody would ever know there wouldn’t be any consequences’. These are the leaders of tomorrow? Are you kidding me? Our system of college education is deeply, deeply broken. Like I stated above, I speak from experience. I earned three degrees from “good schools”, and I saw firsthand how pathetic the system is. So what do you think? Is there any way to fix our institutions of higher learning? Please feel free to share what you think by posting a comment below…

Knapp, not defending him here, but I don't think he got all that angry or flustered. He was just trying to slow down her machine gun accusations without giving him a chance to address them individually. When she did slow down, he answered them fairly calmly. Whether his answers were adequate is another story. Now, all of her 'accusations' of flip flopping are valid and he needs to answer them and answer better than Romney did in 2012 if he hopes to get anywhere. PS: Rand Paul isn't my choice among the potential candidates. Edit: found this this morning. I guess there are others who agree that he was angry and thin skinned. I was expecting a lot of yelling back in forth when I saw Knapp's comment before I viewed the video. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-grills-paul-on-thin-skinned-charge-but-tells-chuck-todd-to-butt-out/

Bo had it easier based on two words: Expectations & Acceptance After BC's last season, our win total expectations were less. BC had 2 losing seasons in 4 years. We just wanted to be consistently above 500 again. Acceptance: Most of us immediately accepted Bo back in the NU family because of his DC role in 2003 and his success at LSU as DC. (Paul Johnson, at Navy at that time, was my 1st choice wt Bo as my second choice - experience as a HC over a good DC but no HC experience). We felt that all that needed to be fixed was the D and Bo would get that done. Most of us believed that the O was in good shape and that Ganz should have been the starter during BC last year (I think the players knew it too and that was a big part of losing the players during that disastrous year. ) Wt Ganz at the wheel and Bo over the D - most thought this would be a easy turn a round. MR comes in this year with much higher expectations. We've gotten use to 9 wins each year so now the bar is not only to bring in the 9+ wins but the hardware also and now. Acceptance: I think 99% of us said "WHO" when MR was named as our coach. We were looking for the splash hire who would guaranty us that hardware next year or at the latest year 2. While I think many of us have now dealt wt the acceptance part - we seem to think that he and his staff are an upgrade, we like his demeanor, tone, and hiws embrace of NU tradition - we still have this hesitancy based on his pass record. So the jury is still out - he still isn't one of us until he proves it on the field. Bo was one of us the day he came back to become our HC.

You know -- you bring up a good point. I was thinking the other day about all of our silos (the missile type not the farm type) and how old these are now getting. I think 60 min did a show on them over a year ago and there is still some old technology in those silos. I happened to meet a man at the Okla Cornhusker Club who had a big role in building those silos. He died last year (around 85 yrs old) and he was working on these back in the 1960s. An uncle of mine also flew B-52s and some of those are equipped wt nukes - Before he died, he told me of problems wt the B-52s. During Vietnam he had to bail out of one outside of Guam due to electrical failure- now they are 40 years older. Maybe they don't put Nukes on 52s anymore but we do have a snake pit of trouble under our own arm pits wt these aging bombs/missiles.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/8559c84e-d896-11e4-ba53-00144feab7de.html#axzz3WY7ng5J5 I agree - something very disturbing about the continuation of the Bush/Clinton presidential dynasty

Rand is said to be announcing on Tuesday. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rand-pauls-delicate-balancing-act/2015/04/05/6e38af6c-d946-11e4-8103-fa84725dbf9d_story.html So we'll have 2 of the most conservative in the race - Cruz and R Paul. I suspect within the month we'll see the full menu.

The deal won't do that, but it does transition our diplomatic stance with Iran, creating a more open environment that ideally will lead to more cultural exchange and eventually normalized relations. Removing an enemy or even a potential enemy from your list of problems is a step towards peace in the MidEast. The Iranian people are probably more with us than most people think. No doubt several countries are watching these events unfold with a good deal of interest. Nobody thinks that this is the final solution, least of all the group of highly informed diplomats that created the framework of the agreement. It is a piece of the puzzle, though. The sanctions we have in place––at least as I understand them––are about isolating Iran financially from the rest of the world, creating an incentive for changed behavior. We're doing similar things to Russia (who's economy and currency are in the tank), specifically targeting wealthy/influential people in the country and freezing them out. On the hope for optimism bit, try this one on for size: the U.S., China, Russia, France, and Iran all agree on something. For once. If that one doesn't cheer you up, Iran is fighting ISIS, and the Iraqi army just took back Tikrit. The thing about the Middle East is––as most people know––it's a total clusterf*&k. If we can get chemical weapons out of Syria and stop Iran from going nuclear without firing a shot, we're winning, or as close to winning as we're likely to be in the near future. Good points. Iran fighting ISIS is a very good thing. Any movement forward is a good thing. Now if we can get them to denounce any talk of destroying Israel and recognize their right to exist, then we've made real progress. But at least they got to the table wt us, China, France and Russia. If they have peaceful intentions, then perhaps we can see progress within the whole region later. They are not friends wt the Saudi's either - so a lot of hurdles remain in that very sectarian world. I've heard some concern that they might be able to enrich via a 3rd party country (namely the guy pictured above - Mr Kim's N. Korea). Are there safe guards of any kind to prevent that that you know of?

Not Ego Driven: I think that is why he had so many staff members with little experience - he didn't want them to outshine him. I think he felt threatened by greater coaching talent. (from me an arm chair psychologist - but real life observer) "That's what's wrong with that place.'" That is like the arsonist blaming the fireman for putting out the fire. Obviously, the guy is a bitter man but it didn't start wt his firing at NU. His antics at NU were driven by his bitterness. It is amazing that it didn't show more than it did - the only reason he stayed 7 years at NU.

Just waiting on you Knapp

You hang up your t-shirts? Oh man, that's the worst. You are going to stretch out those collars! T-shirts need to be folded. No talking about regular shirts going back on the hanger if they can stand the under the arm smell test.

Boy, I thought we had some 'far out' guys in Oklahoma.

Maybe their GPS was wrongly directing them to that TG party.

We use temp agency first as well. I needed someone in my dept a year ago. She eventually became an employee of ours and one of the best hires I've ever made. Nice to 'kick the tires' so to speak to try the person's fit for the job. Better than having to later.

I couldn't vote. This is rigged.

What you're referring to isn't AI. It's just programmed computers. Scientists that nerd out over this idea estimate that we'll have the tech and knowledge to reverse engineer the human brain within the next 20 years or so. That sounds farfetched, but technology increases at an exponential rate (aka if it takes 10 years to get a computer to "level 100", it will take 5 years to get to level 200, 2.5 years to get to 400, etc.), so the further along we go the faster we go. I don't believe that for a minute. This falls right along the lines that we were always told that by year 2000 we would all be flying around in hover craft cars. Maybe my standard was too low in my thread on which car you'd like to drive now on the Big Red Lounge forum, I should have said a challenger hover craft car. Were are the Jetsons when we need them.

My wife is registered Democrat and a minority, and I'm a registered honky Republican (from pre-GOP hijacking by the Tea Party). I can tell you the amount of 'end of the world' garbage email and calls I get *FAR* exceeds that which my wife gets, but there's still derp on both sides. I'd say it's about a 10:1 ratio during non-election periods, and 5:1 during election time. Frankly, if I have to hear one more pre-recorded call from Mike Huckabee about how Obama is going to steal my grandmother's walker and club white Christian babies with it... So Victor, if I may ask, of the potential Rep candidates is there one that you prefer if you vote in the rep primary?

My wife is registered Democrat and a minority, and I'm a registered honky Republican (from pre-GOP hijacking by the Tea Party). I can tell you the amount of 'end of the world' garbage email and calls I get *FAR* exceeds that which my wife gets, but there's still derp on both sides. I'd say it's about a 10:1 ratio during non-election periods, and 5:1 during election time. Frankly, if I have to hear one more pre-recorded call from Mike Huckabee about how Obama is going to steal my grandmother's walker and club white Christian babies with it... Simple....don't be a registered part of either party. It's as liberating as a 60s teenager burning her bra. I don't know if that deserves a or a or a

You've just got to want it, it's that simple. No one is going to be able to motivate you unless you can motivate yourself. Realize that you don't actually need that ice cream, and it's not actually benefiting your body in any way. Understand this is a long term thing and you're going to stumble here and there, but you can be successful in the long run. If you really are having a hard time with sweets or snacks, try cutting down on their portions first rather than trying to eliminate them entirely. Or even limiting yourself to having them once a week. There's nothing wrong with indulging in them every now and then in moderation, but don't create a habit or give into an old one. Thanks Brother. I had a good self talk this weekend. Time to move forward wt the right attitude.

Guys, I have to admit - thus far I've lacked the discipline to get it done. I'm at the same weight if not up a couple of pounds. I have got to develop a new mind set - does anyone have some good 'self talk' exercises in which the mind kicks butt without quilting said butt back to a bowl of ice cream??

Yea, because of my voting registration, I get a lot conservative junk mail - there is a new crisis each week that will ruin the world if we don't act now. I'm sure if I was registered dem, I'd get many from the other perspective.

Victor - I receive your corrections with a humble heart. I painted you wt the same broad brush I thought you were painting me with. Again, my apologies. By the way I'm not a fox watcher - at least not more than what I watch CNN - both about the same - which is very little as I don't have time to sit in front of the TV. You are correct about Bush also releasing prisioners. Your statement as the prior administration was also involved in securing Bergdahl. set me off in my criticism. Thank-you for correcting. With your correction above, I would have agreed with you - that we've negotiated prior than this situation. I do still however (whether agreed to by TP or Fox or not - not my concern) personally believe that the concessions of giving away top terrorist leaders was heavily weighted in the favor of the other side. However, I'll give Obama this benefit of the doubt: our society here in the USA does have a different value on life and so we often go to the extreme to secure the liberty of our citizens - so I shouldn't be so harsh on the outcome. He was still a soldier and we traditionally do all we can to bring them all home.

I would respect the Koch Brothers more if they started dressing the part: I always imagined the Koch Brothers more like I thought about Palpatine, but he hatched a plan from within with little more than his wits and Sith training. The Koch Brothers are just relying on the brute force of their daddy's millions and brainwashed Randian ignorance--still evil, but without nearly as much critical thought. You guys might find this surprising, but I happened to hear Glenn Beck, who I don't listen to unless I want to see what is going on far right, on the radio, I know , and what caught my ear was that he was aligning the Koch Bros, wt Carl Rove, and Grover Norguist the big anti-tax, supposedly arch conservative in a plot of supporting Muslim Brotherhood and other shady types. I thought, "this is a new twist". The story from Beck's The Blaze: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/26/grover-norquist-gets-his-chance-to-defend-against-accusations-of-being-an-agent-of-influence-for-radical-islamists-not-true/ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/25/the-message-glenn-beck-got-in-the-middle-of-his-special-on-grover-norquist-that-will-affect-the-rest-of-the-week/ Glenn Beck hasn't been the voice of anything other than his particular brand of crazy for years. It's not a twist, insomuch that it's a way to sell subscriptions and stir the pot for his listeners who (ironically?) need a boogeyman to sleep well at night. That is true. Why I don't listen. I did at one time... years ago. You can only take so much negativity, conspiracy, etc without going nuts yourself. I use to listen to talk radio all day 4 years ago and found I was becoming the most negative person around. The problem wt modern conservatism is that it has become to much of "against' - more negative. They aren't putting forth enough positive alternatives which are available. But it is the 'against' that rallies the voters, brings in money, etc. This is also true on the other side - each side invent bogey men instead to keep the money flowing.