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That's how it looks to be sure. I wonder about a lot of things college football and the independent issue is what makes it messy to me, along with the matter of half the division being outside the P5. It would be great if we could have a simple playoff including all the conference champions, even with the G5 ones. I'd love it if we could retain some of the meaning of the regular season by seeding all the participants and allowing home games. I'd love to see a system that allows Nebraska to host a Florida team in November, for example. I've shared before how disgusting I think it is that ND allows U$C to come play no later than October.

Life's too short to be looking for reasons to jump another Husker fan on a message board. I never wrote that ND would refuse to join the B1G solely because of history. I pointed out their affiliation with the ACC and alluded to bad blood over what was much more than a "slight" (given that some powerful members of the Western Conference effectively tried to kill the ND football program). I shared a link to an article in which a domer gave his perspective because that's what the OP seemed to be asking for. The article may not have been the most current but it made several points, the majority of which are still valid today, and included a link to a blog entry on the aforementioned history. If that blog was interesting to anyone, here's another page that speaks to the Irish series with NU: irishlegends.com. By the way, I think you were probably wanting to use "tenets" in place of "tenants" above. If we could live in arguments, nobody would be homeless.

What you quoted had nothing to do with why I shared it, though, to be fair. The OP was asking about ND. ND was blackballed by the Western Conference teams. Nebraska was denied admission to its ranks at one time also. I think that's interesting. The University of Chicago's role was the most interesting part of our conference's history I've learned about, though. They were once as big as any of the teams in it but dropped football because they feared the corruption associated with the sport.

ND is already with the ACC for basketball and partly for football, so they clearly have a leg up. There's also a negative history between ND and the Big Ten / (Great?) Western conference. I think the bigger deal is whether we continue the charade of having half the teams in the division ineligible for postseason play. Something has got to give. p.s. - This addresses more than the one ND issue I was alluding to: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/687407-ten-reasons-why-notre-dame-will-never-join-the-big-ten

I think offseason conversation is hard to come by so am not going to pile on over your choice of topic. I'm half-inclined to crunch some numbers but there are some problems with that. First, it's a lot of work. Second, the programs were in different shape when the coaches started their periods as HC in Nebraska. Third, the game has changed a lot in ten years and there's the little matter of a conference switch to boot (though it's fair to point out that Billy C. did get us to a CCG). If I was to just look at the rankings of the performances their final teams put together, though, here's how they stack up nationally (after all, including bowl, games)... OFFENSE passing yards per game - 7 / 119 for Bill and 27 / 130 for Mike rushing yards per game - 66 / 119 for Bill and 120 / 130 for Mike points per game - 28 / 119 for Bill and 84 / 130 for Mike total yards per game - 9 / 119 for Bill and 87 / 130 for Mike DEFENSE passing yards per game - 84 / 119 for Bill and 60 / 130 for Mike rushing yards per game - 116 / 119 for Bill and 115 / 130 for Mike points per game - 114 / 119 for Bill and 116 / 130 for Mike total yards per game - 112 / 119 for Bill and 101 / 130 for Mike Per this quick and dirty comparison of the coaches' final seasons, it's readily apparent that both defenses fielded were pretty sorry, in terms of their performance, with the Riley bunch getting a slight edge. There's really no comparison offensively, outside the running game (and even then it's a clear winner, relatively speaking, for BC). To sum this up, Bill might fairly quip that coaching at Nebraska was "too technical" for Mike Riley.

I know I can't see what Hooked posted, for example. I guess that doesn't have to do with my problem with images. I could fire up Chrome here and give it a shot. p.s. - The images I was trying to use must not be in that format.

Thanks, RB. I'll give it a go. I tried three before finally getting to one the board would accept:

Yeah, that's totally fair. I was just looking for some of each and, since I can never seem to find a GIF this website accepts, I blathered to the extent I'm able.

Yeah, I don't remember the name of the TE we had starting back then but he was from Texas and had been playing well that day...thought he'd have been the target for that third down we needed (is about all I can recall otherwise aside from the snow that day). It certainly wasn't anything like Tommy Armstrong's last Iowa game in Lincoln. THAT was a cold one!

That's a lot of posts without any Husker stories. I'll try to contribute some per the OP's request. I went to both games against Notre Dame in the early 2000's and noticed some Husker haters from Omaha at each one. I saw us lose to Texas when we had a chance to win (think it was a Nunn fumble when we were just getting into FG range for a shot at a win under Callahan). There were Texas fans that were getting some abuse on the walk out but those of us who cared more about our reputation for hospitality shouted the abusers down. Dan Livingston went to my church when I was a kid. I believe he was on the Bob Devaney Prediction Show. Dan's son, Scott, was a PK for NU as well. Anyway, we used to meet a Husker or two every season when I was growing up as a result. Rimington, Skow, Fryar, Rozier, and Redwine were the biggest names I can recall now. I'd guess Turner also visited but can't recall now. I remember thinking it was cool that Irving and Mike grew up playing together some...because one lived next to the other's grandmother or something. As a graduate student, I remember the Crouch-Newcombe controversy was a pretty ugly affair. Those out of earshot of the student section were fortunate during the game I think was against Southen Miss. At least the kids won that game, though. My lowest point in Memorial Stadium was probably halftime of the 2005 Missouri game (which was probably the first non-Spring Husker game I took one of my kids to). You keep hoping because you're there but I'm not sure I'd have finished watching that one had I been home. I'm friends with a guy who played as an OL for the Huskers back in the fifties. He likes to say he sacrificed his body for his HS and college teammate, Bobby Reynolds. As great a legacy as Mr. Touchdown has, it sounds like he didn't have the benefit of good health long...and freshmen never played back then. The funniest stuff he'd tell me about, though, had to do with their training and game prep. He said they were instructed not to lift weights nor even swim maybe because the coaches didn't want them to bulk up. They'd have big steak dinners a couple hour before kickoff. I remember being at 72nd and Dodge for TO's first championship and tried to get a friend to agree to go there if NU could reach 5 wins after Northern Illinois more recently... He wouldn't do it but, in the end, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

Never forget that Michigan used to host teams like Indiana every season for decades. It makes the current scheduling debacle (between us and them) that much more irritating to think about. We have played in AA twice since joining the B1G and they've visited Lincoln once. Guess where the next game against the skunkbears will be played?

Mangia's isn't too far from there. It's pretty close to the Irvington exit off 680. I really like the super deluxe Buffalo chicken speciality pizza. I think they have a regular Buffalo chicken pizza without their special alfredo sauce for it. Anyway, I used to eat that sandwich style with some pepperoni but haven't had it in years. Mangia's also caters and you can find them every other week or so at the First National's Hallmark shop in Omaha. They don't bring pizza there, though.

I'm a Nebraskan but my roots are Southern. It's not a cultural thing for me, bless his heart.

We're good. I'm not offended. I just thought you were looking pretty hard for something I wasn't trying to put there, if that makes sense? GBR!

Considering you admitted to not having been aware of Dabo's religious character, as portrayed to us with the assistance of the media, I don't follow how you're seriously questioning a jocular comment I made on its authenticity above. I could speculate on your motivation but don't figure it'd be any more fun for you than it has been for me. I don't have a "beef with Dabo" but merely indicated a preference as to his potentially coaching football in Lincoln. That's the type of discussion we're having ITT. If you want to have one about religion, there's another forum for that. All I'm sure about, with respect to the Clemson football staff, is that Venables is one heck of a coach. p.s. - TO being friends with Bobby Bowden doesn't mean anybody else has to like him.

I don't have a problem with religious types. I'm a believer myself. I'm just not impressed with the head coach at Clemson (such that I wouldn't want him at the head of a program I've committed to for life as a Nebraskan).

I don't blame you. I try not to pay much attention to the man as well. Did you know he baptized a player in an animal trough on the football field?

Point taken. He just seems like a doofus to me, though (and I'm not implying we might not agree on that point since you qualified how he compares to TO).

Dabo's folksy bible-thumping seems like a front for a creeper to me. I'd take Venables, though.

Let all the conference champs in and use stats &/or polls to seed them accordingly. Watch more football. Happiness is increased (as is money). The only hitch to it this season is the Sun Belt had co-champs. I suppose there's always the trouble with independents, too, but Notre Dame has had conditions set before.

I realize that the OP set one for his post ITT but figured we could still communicate about whatever. Jammal had three wins against major conference teams that finished their seasons with winning records (but I notice people writing that he was under-rated all the time here so the good work Knapp did made me think of him is all).

What was Jammal Lord's signature win? I notice he gets a lot of love here so I figured someone would have an answer...

I hate Urban but you can't compare eiter of the other two to him (based on championships at the top level of college football). I don't follow Michigan closely enough to judge but feel like people are likely beng a little tough on JH (not that he doesn't deserve it to some extent). College football doesn't allow for "reloading" until you've dominated your conference (like Ohio State has) for the better part of a decade so I expect it has to do with personnel changes. Stanford had one conference championship under Harbaugh. The guy won 10 in his first two seasons at UM, though, and their worst loss in the past one was probably the bowl game. Our guy won an American Athletic Conference title and a bowl game against a favorite. A little too much has been made of the winless season UCF had, too. They had not been so helpless in the years immediately preceding it (though you could find another winless season without going too far back either). I'm just saying it's not like they were Kansas.

2001 Nebraska if you like... I figure a worthwhile system should settle two of the oldest arguments, at least: 1) a team that didn't win its own conference shouldn't be able to win the NC; and 2) a team that doesn't belong to a major conference should have a path to compete for the NC.

A team that didn't win its conference shouldn't be able to play for the national title. I thought we established this long ago. UCF should have been in or I could even see a Wisconsin. If you're going to reward a team that didn't make its CCG, how do you penalize one that did? The committee clearly didn't look at the CCG as anything special in one sense is what I'm driving at. The P5 should not be in the same division as UCF if an undefeated UCF can't get a shot. Let's cut the BS. When P5 teams really only play their own conference's teams, too, it doesn't make any sense to judge one (conference) as better than another. 75% of FBS teams played an FCS team this season. The B1G teams largely didn't, though (more than 80% iirc from a post I made last month). Florida was the only $EC team that didn't. $EC teams only played eight conference games to boot. You all know the B1G teams played 9. What did this SOS difference mean? The committee is taking other seasons into account. That's just more BS. Add to this that their rankings are even more BS. They might have an order that you bet on (which I have), because you figure you know what the playoff seeds will be, and then they mix them up at the last minute. It's a joke! We need to have a lot more OOC games between P5 teams. I'd love to see it happen anytime but preferrably both in the regular season and playoffs. I understand this is all about money. What I don't understand is how more quality gmes wouldn't be a win-win for the fans and accountants alike. p.s - If they were going to pull this **** and have two teams from the same conference in the playoff, they should have played in the first round and gotten it over with. p.p.s. - I'd love to see a playoff like the lower divisions have. Nebraska hosting a playoff game against a Miami, for example, would be a dream come true. Let's take football back! It's bad enough how baseball is due to weather...