JJ Husker

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Woah. A woman who has made a 'good faith' effort to prevent a pregnancy but had one anyway, since an abortion in those circumstances is OK in your books -- what degree of shame and self-loathing should she subject herself to in order to stem this tidal of hatred? Should her choice to not become a mother be affirmed and respected as a woman's agency over her own body and reproduction, or ought she live the rest of her joyless days as Arthur Dimmesdale, self-flagellating by night and a scarlet letter emblazoned upon her soul? Is it that wrong for her to protest the stigma (demonstrated so ably here) of a fairly regular women's health choice? My opinion of her and my comments on her particular situation stem solely from the article linked in the OP, the article you linked of her own words, and my personal feelings on the matter. It's quite possible that you are giving her much more benefit of the doubt than I am. I just really was not impressed with her attitude or rationale concerning abortions. She seems pretty cavalier and pretty much open to any reason under the sun being acceptable to terminate another life. I'm not convinced she made such good faith efforts....twice even. I believe the extent of what she is saying is, she wasn't ready to have children with her sex partners at the time soshe chose abortion. That really doesn't indicate what kind of effort she put into to avoiding the necessity of an abortion. Based on her overall views, I'm doubting she gave two sh#ts about ending those other lives. Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Funny.....most of my comments were specifically about her and her abortions. Interesting that you apparently couldn't figure that out and now claim it is all about some bigger issue. Maybe try considering what it is exactly a person is saying before becoming argumentative and dillusional. BTW- I didn't do sh#t with the quote function. I know how it works. I simply responded, at the end, after all of the quotes, and that is how the HB system mangled it. So you can stick your condescending snicker up your ass. And, since I know you'll have trouble here again....I'm not mad or angry. Just being extremely blunt since you seem to have such trouble with comprehension. Good day.

We agree to disagree on this as well. I don't feel a million two week old fetuses are equal to a three month old but that is just my opinion. I don't have a problem with that. There is plenty of room for disagreement on some of the details.

No need to get angry, all you had to do was admit that you knew very little about the details of someone's situation before you passed judgement. Thank you for proving me right. So you didn't read the article. Gotcha. What makes you think I didn't read it, and how would that disprove that you freely admitted that you knew very little about someone's situation before you judged them? You are absolutely right. I mean how could I possibly begin to form an opinion about her feelings on abortion, women's reproductive rights, and specifically her reasons for getting an abortion unless I were to be privy to some of her very personal thoughts, words, and beliefs on such matters? Oh, wait a minute. Snap. If I recall correctly, I read about 20 some paragraphs of her personal writings on such things. And I believe I encouraged you to also read it but you were apparently dead red set on claiming I knew very little about her situation. Funny, but awkward, huh? Oh, wait a minute. Snap. If I recall correctly, it was zoogs that posted that article that detailed her advocacy, not you. You hadn't read that before your first post full of assumptions and shaming. It seems all your initial info was only from the OP which only said she'd had a couple abortions when she was younger. Even after zoog's article was posted you and others still implied and shamed her for being irresponsible, when neither article details what efforts she did or didn't take to not get pregnant. Funny, but awkward, huh? Again, you're assuming I didn't read the article that zoogs posted, and you seem to don't remember your posts BEFORE zoogs posted that article, thus your posts are once again terribly misinformed and misleading. You like to form opinions about people based on very little information? Maybe you should try that on yourself. In your very first post in this thread, you said, "I'm sure not going to get anybody's face and try to make them feel bad for some choices they have made but,"[/size] Yet that's exactly what you did when you shamed zoogs for his beliefs, by saying he condones "murder". And you do plenty of shaming in subsequent posts. What is somebody called when they say they won't do something, but then they go ahead and do it, multiple times even? You also referenced her "selfish" abortion dress. I"ll admit my reaction to the dress and her methods did not sit well with me, but if you had read and comprehended her blog and you would understand that her advocacy is not about being "selfish". She is speaking out for others. A little effort and knowledge can go a long ways. Try it next time. And try it without losing your temper and using profanities -- that is very telling about you as well. I have not lost my temper at all. However I do get frustrated with people who seem to read one thing yet comprehend only what they wish it all meant. Please show me where "I got in her face" or "tried to make her feel bad". You claim I have shamed her and others. Where? You are misconstruing my opinion with some outward actions that haven't taken place. If you don't want to know or understand my opinion on this issue, you probably should quit reading what I write. But, in the absence of that, the least you could do is to refrain from claiming I am doing things that just really aren't happening anywhere other than between your ears. A couple of her statements on the issue.... "One in three women in the United States has had or will have an abortion in her lifetime. It is one of the most common realities of women’s lives. Abortion is more than a choice, and it shouldn’t be a luxury. It is a critical and essential aspect of women’s lives and health care. And it is normal. It is a fact of female human life that will never, ever go away, not under any fantastical circumstances. There will always be, for all time, as there has always been, a need for abortion care." "I count myself among the millions of women throughout history and in this country and over the world who have had abortions. Me, I don’t feel one iota of shame in saying it and I’ve never been shy about it. My friends and family all know. My romantic partners have always known. I make absolutely no secret of it. We’re normal. We’re women. We have abortions sometimes. Get used to it." "For context alone I will say that in my case, as is true for many women, there was nothing tragic or depressing about the circumstances surrounding my decision, and there was no guilt or remorse afterward. (There is no “post-abortion syndrome.” That is a fake, made up thing that does not exist. My situation was pretty run of the mill. I didn’t want to have kids at the time or with the people I got pregnant with. Pretty simple. Pretty straightforward. Totally okay." My opinion- I don't like her position on the issue and I think her reasoning for having multiple abortions is unacceptable. Of course she doesn't give a rats ass about my opinion or what I find acceptable. She doesn't have to, that's her right. I'm not condemning her. I don't sit in judgment of her. But I do find her views, and her desire to flaunt her abortions with a special celebratory dress, disgusting and repulsive. And, this is just my opinion again but, I see no substantial difference between aborting a viable fetus, that will become a human baby if somebody doesn't go out of their way to kill it simply because it may be inconvenient in their life, or murdering a 3 month old baby because, hey, when were babies not inconvenient? Is inconvenience on a persons life the only hurdle to meet to make a life or death decision on another persons life? I sure don't think so.

No need to get angry, all you had to do was admit that you knew very little about the details of someone's situation before you passed judgement. Thank you for proving me right. So you didn't read the article. Gotcha. What makes you think I didn't read it, and how would that disprove that you freely admitted that you knew very little about someone's situation before you judged them? You are absolutely right. I mean how could I possibly begin to form an opinion about her feelings on abortion, women's reproductive rights, and specifically her reasons for getting an abortion unless I were to be privy to some of her very personal thoughts, words, and beliefs on such matters? Oh, wait a minute. Snap. If I recall correctly, I read about 20 some paragraphs of her personal writings on such things. And I believe I encouraged you to also read it but you were apparently dead red set on claiming I knew very little about her situation. Funny, but awkward, huh? I guess you can collect your PC style points for using the word "judged" even though I have done no such thing. Judging would involve pronouncing a sentence or stating how I think she should be punished for her actions. Please show me where I have done that if you wish to continue to use words that don't actually mean what you think they should mean. It is not my job to judge her. It is however my right to form an opinion about her, which I have done with much more information than you have apparently. In fact, I probably know more about her beliefs on abortion and acceptable motives for getting one than I do about any other person on this earth, with the possible exception of myself. Funny how a mere 15 minutes of reading could've prevented someone from looking like a complete asshat who didn't have a f'ing clue what they were talking about. A little effort and knowledge can go a long ways. Try it next time.

How do you know she was irresponsible? Wait. Is this one of those trick questions like; what color was George Washington's white horse?

So much judgement in this post ( and others that followed) I had no idea you were a very close friend of Martha. Apparently you know all the details of her situation, circumstances, thoughts, options and actions at the time of her conceptions and abortions, and the time in between. Could you please share them with us? Read the link zoogs posted in post #16, then you'll know as much about her as I do. If, after that, you still don't like what I had to say, tough sh#t. No need to get angry, all you had to do was admit that you knew very little about the details of someone's situation before you passed judgement. Thank you for proving me right. So you didn't read the article. Gotcha.

So much judgement in this post ( and others that followed) I had no idea you were a very close friend of Martha. Apparently you know all the details of her situation, circumstances, thoughts, options and actions at the time of her conceptions and abortions, and the time in between. Could you please share them with us? Read the link zoogs posted in post #16, then you'll know as much about her as I do. If, after that, you still don't like what I had to say, tough sh#t.

I agree with the sex ed and available birth control. However, I don't include the morning after pill as part of any responsible birth control options. How about instead of "the morning after pill" we try a little "responsibility and clear headed decision making the night of intercourse"?

Yes... no... I don't care....just please, for the love of God, stop using the word Nebraseball. Nebrasketball is ok, and even kind of cool. Nebraseball? Not so much.

That Martha Plimpton.....what a piece of sh#t person she is. I have absolutely no respect and zero alignment with her thoughts on the matter. She and people like her are why we cannot arrive at any reasonable common ground on abortion. I've always felt that reasonable people could agree that abortions should be allowed in cases of rape, incest, and when the mothers health was in danger. I've even thought that most reasonable people could agree that the option for a safe and clean abortion provided by a trained medical provider is better than a dirty back alley coat hanger job. But this Plimpton is unreasonable. She wants to have abortions on a whim, for any reason, at any time, because she thinks it has no effect on anyone except her. She is wrong. There is another life involved. And, quite frankly, I would take my chances with any aborted fetus being a better human being than what I feel she is after reading that. I never use this word because I think it is about the ugliest word you can use for somebody but she is a c**t. I want her to feel shame. She should feel shame. She's a piece of sh#t. I wish her mother had aborted her. Wonder if she would be in favor of that? And here I thought the link you provided to "more of her own words" would lead me to at least a little more understanding or sympathy. It just made me hate her.

Hey, I agree. Are you sure that this actress didn't do that, though?How do you know that the vast majority of abortions aren't from pregnancies that people made good faith efforts to prevent?If I were to tell you that this is a fact, and also that those same women aren't able to discuss it openly because of the wild character assumptions that tend to follow it, wouldn't you agree that an effort to raise awareness, empathy, and understanding for them -- to allow them to open up on a difficult issue rather than face stigma -- wouldn't you be on board with that as a good thing? I suspect so, JJ, and that we're not far apart. What I'm sure of, based on that article, is that she felt no shame whatsoever in ending at least two other lives. Her career was clearly more important to her than 2 beating hearts. She even went out of her way to wear a special dress to celebrate her actions. I'm guessing she wasn't too broke up about it and maybe she should have been. Maybe sometimes a little stigma serves a purpose. Maybe not every action or decision needs to be one that people are proud of. Some actions are wrong and, in those cases, I would prefer that they be treated like they're wrong and not celebrated as no big deal.

Woah. It doesn't always work. But sure -- sex ed & contraceptive access are very important from a public health standpoint. As I said, improvements in these areas have and will continue to drive down rates of unwanted pregnancies. I knew that was going to be coming back at me. Personally, I am not opposed to abortion in every and all situations. Rape, incest, when and if the mother's life is in danger would meet the threshold for me. And, even in some "accidental" pregnancy situations, if the people involved made good faith efforts at preventing the pregnancy, I would not have a sever moral problem with it in some cases. I realize we cannot know what is in a persons heart or if they did in fact make a reasonable effort to prevent becoming pregnant. But I'm not proposing making it illegal. I am simply saying I don't believe it is right to use it as birth control and really not right to brag about it, be proud of killing another life, or celebrate a persons selfishness with an abortion dress as in the linked story.

I was not aware "we" could morally kill a person who is brain dead. Also, I don't believe "achieved consciousness" is the make or break point for a whole bunch of people in this debate. Some, actually a whole bunch of, people believe that life is created at the moment of conception. Some people feel that ending a life, for whatever reason, through whatever means, is not up to us but rather should be determined by natural death. I'm not saying I am of this belief in all cases but I also sure don't think abortion should be used as simply another birth control option.

Well I guess you're certainly free to feel and act that way about murder if you wish zoogs. I'm sure not going to get anybody's face and try to make them feel bad for some choices they have made but, you have to admit (or maybe you don't) that being proud of having had multiple abortions and bragging about it with an abortion dress is taking it a bit too far. It sure is for me. I found this linked story repulsive. I used to like Plimpton as an actress in Raising Hope and the Real O'Neals...not anymore. I won't be able to watch her without thinking of her selfish abortion dress. Why is killing a fetus an acceptable choice but failing to choose to be responsible with a persons reproductive activities not important? How about not getting pregnant if you don't want a child? What's wrong with that approach? They make these things called contraceptives and, the good thing is, you don't have to start a life and then kill it to prevent an unwanted birth.

I'm having trouble with the calibration on this darned moral compass..... On one hand, cheating is okay if you can get away with it and others are doing it. But on the other hand, people who misuse their work email should be killed. Feel like I'm standing directly on one of the planet's poles watching this thing spin wildly.

What is your favorite color? IDK, something bold and different like this What three Huskers, current or former, would you want on your side in a bar fight? Christian Peter, Ndamukong Suh, Jerry Murtaugh (tons of experience with bar fights) Who is your favorite player on the team right now? Not sure, waiting for someone to step up and make it obvious What’s the most you’ve bet on a Husker game? Did you win? Near as I can recall probably about $220. Think I won because that would've been the year of our last natty What was your favorite car that you owned in your high school years? (Or after, if you didn’t have a car in hs.) 64 Ford Custom 500, schweeeet! If you could take any four people in history to a Husker game day, who would you take? (breakfast at The Egg & I, stroll through campus, tailgating, watch the band march into the stadium, 50 yardline, 12 row seats for the game, steak dinner after the game, and attend a wild beer party to celebrate the win! ) My mom & dad, Bob Devaney, Chris Farley (guess I would have a thing about bringing people back from the dead) Who is your third favorite poster on HB? 3rd? Hmmm. Let me get back to ya on that one. You can get in your Delorean and bring any former Husker back to be on this year’s team with full eligibility. Who do you bring back? Suh, Duh. Would you rather see a cage match between Jim Harbaugh and Ronda Rousey, or watch a group of drunken midgets ambush Urban Meyer in the gym while he’s working out and throw four dozen rotten eggs at him? Either would be awesome.

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