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Can't seem to find the source, but I believe Matta and Turgeon were sitting on 3 years last year. I know it's an apples and oranges comparison, but it's not unheard of.

While I say "make or break", you bring up a good point. Would surely be some gray area if, say, they were on the NCAA bubble,got snubbed, and then went on an NIT run. I would say the baseline is NCAA, but it could be an "I know it when I see it" situation.

Whatever anyone says (Miles, Eichorst, Barfknecht, Message Boards), I think we all know it's pretty much a make or break year. I've said before that I think this is sort of Year 3 of a second term for Miles's tenure here. This year has his core class as Juniors, whether they are here or not. There are obviously things we can discuss, but might as well just let the season play out and we will have our answer on Tim Miles at Nebraska.

Nebraksa becomes fully vested in July 2017. That would bump up the payout by about $13-$15 million on the current contract. When the new contract kicks in it should be a $20-$25 million increase.

Not sure exactly what the buyout numbers look like, but the difference between firing Miles now and after the season is probably around $2 million if you use his salary. That's not chump change, but what is the cost of a sunk season if you don't feel like he is the guy?

I believe Mavric posted in another thread that Ed was our most efficient player based off ESPN player efficiency ratings. Pretty tough to believe anyone can dismiss a guy who was averaging 10 and 8 in 23 mpg while being undersized and playing hurt. Jorday may end up being the better player, as he has a higher ceiling, but Ed is definitely the best 4/5 we have/had right now.

Just look at conference record then. Other than the 2013-14 season, NU has finished near the bottom of the conference in every season under Miles, and seems to regress near the end of the season every year.His record in conferency play is better than Doc's. Which, again, is not our goal for the program. I'm just saying if you're going to say "his record is worse than all these guys!" there needs to be a little more context. Yes, I understand that his record may be better than Doc's, but that's still not an argument to keep Miles. I don't think you should say "his record is worse than all these guys", I think you should just look at Miles' performance. He could have scheduled better records. Performance is more of a constant. That's fine with me.

Just look at conference record then. Other than the 2013-14 season, NU has finished near the bottom of the conference in every season under Miles, and seems to regress near the end of the season every year. His record in conferency play is better than Doc's. Which, again, is not our goal for the program. I'm just saying if you're going to say "his record is worse than all these guys!" there needs to be a little more context.

I'm not sure the winning percentage argument is a fair one. I know we are not where we want to be, but Miles has scheduled differently than previous coaches. For comparison, here are Sadler and Miles average SOS and records. Doc Sadler: Avg SOS-62 Avg Record: 16.8-14.8 Tim Miles: Avg SOS-35 (Last year's SOS was 100. Take that out and average is 19 over the other 4 years) Avg Record: 15-17 If Miles scheduled like Sadler, I would imagine he would be at least a .500 coach. Does .500 cut it? With an NCAA appearance or 2, maybe. Just don't like that winning percantage arguement without context.

The only beef to be had with Morrow is the lack of kickouts from the post when he's double teamed. Not like anyone is going to make the shot from outside, though. Dude averages 10 and 8 while playing hurt, out of position, and undersized. Was easily playing his best before he got hurt and hasn't quite been the same since he came back, yet he is still producing.

A 5+ year rebuilding plan is all well and good if you show improvement year over year. The reason for so many freshmen and sophomores is because a lot of players have transferred out well before eligibility has been used. Miles has had too many assistant coaches leave the university to other teams in lateral moves. In 5 years, there is still zero sense of an offense. My biggest gripe with Miles are the offensive lulls. Don't have to convince me. Happen far too often. Often lack an identity. Felt like it used to be consistently getting it to the rim. I just view Miles's tenure here as 2 separate terms. The first term was the first 3 years that had a transition year, transfer quick fix that turned into NCAA bid, and disappointing follow up year. The second term is the last 2 years built around mostly freshman and sophomores where your leading returning scorer left in the middle of summer. So to me, he is somewhat in year 3. But next year is a do or die year. Have to be in NCAA or make a very strong run in NIT. Without an 8-1 run from February 8-March 9 in 2014, Nebraska is likely looking at a losing season. They were 11-10 overall at the start of it and their offense was still crap most of the games. Like my earlier post said, 1 good month in 5 years. That transition hasn't truly happened. If Morrow doesn't get hurt this year I think this team has at least 2 more wins. Maybe more with added momentum and confidence. But it happened. Just like the only NCAA appearance in 18 years happened. I'm not trying to be a Miles apologist. I think the basketball program needs higher expectations from the AD and fans. I just think the timing of everything (and NCAA appearance) probably calls for 1 more year for Miles to prove it. I mean ... that's possible. And it's what many have tried to claim for the last month. But we've had him for the last two games. And they .... haven't gone well. So it's nice to speculate but I think that's kind of trying to find whatever excuse you can. When we played Dayton earlier in the year, we were totally healthy and they were missing three guys. They still won. That was my point. I can say what if, but that's not what happened. Can't take it away. Just like we can't throw away Miles's "One month of good performance". It happened and it helped earn the only NCAA bid in 18 years. Has to count for something. To me, it earned him a little extra time here.

Morrow's 10 and 8 a game are far more reliable than anything Jacobson does. I think he's forced it a bit since coming back. Gets himself in trouble under the hoop far too often. Kick it out.

A 5+ year rebuilding plan is all well and good if you show improvement year over year. The reason for so many freshmen and sophomores is because a lot of players have transferred out well before eligibility has been used. Miles has had too many assistant coaches leave the university to other teams in lateral moves. In 5 years, there is still zero sense of an offense. My biggest gripe with Miles are the offensive lulls. Don't have to convince me. Happen far too often. Often lack an identity. Felt like it used to be consistently getting it to the rim. I just view Miles's tenure here as 2 separate terms. The first term was the first 3 years that had a transition year, transfer quick fix that turned into NCAA bid, and disappointing follow up year. The second term is the last 2 years built around mostly freshman and sophomores where your leading returning scorer left in the middle of summer. So to me, he is somewhat in year 3. But next year is a do or die year. Have to be in NCAA or make a very strong run in NIT. Without an 8-1 run from February 8-March 9 in 2014, Nebraska is likely looking at a losing season. They were 11-10 overall at the start of it and their offense was still crap most of the games. Like my earlier post said, 1 good month in 5 years. That transition hasn't truly happened. If Morrow doesn't get hurt this year I think this team has at least 2 more wins. Maybe more with added momentum and confidence. But it happened. Just like the only NCAA appearance in 18 years happened. I'm not trying to be a Miles apologist. I think the basketball program needs higher expectations from the AD and fans. I just think the timing of everything (and NCAA appearance) probably calls for 1 more year for Miles to prove it.

A 5+ year rebuilding plan is all well and good if you show improvement year over year. The reason for so many freshmen and sophomores is because a lot of players have transferred out well before eligibility has been used. Miles has had too many assistant coaches leave the university to other teams in lateral moves. In 5 years, there is still zero sense of an offense. My biggest gripe with Miles are the offensive lulls. Don't have to convince me. Happen far too often. Often lack an identity. Felt like it used to be consistently getting it to the rim. I just view Miles's tenure here as 2 separate terms. The first term was the first 3 years that had a transition year, transfer quick fix that turned into NCAA bid, and disappointing follow up year. The second term is the last 2 years built around mostly freshman and sophomores where your leading returning scorer left in the middle of summer. So to me, he is somewhat in year 3. But next year is a do or die year. Have to be in NCAA or make a very strong run in NIT.

When Miles was hired we all knew it was a 5+ year rebuild. He tried to do a quick fix with transfers in year 2 and it worked. It also raised expectations that haven't been met. The majority of the rotation are freshman and sophomores. Some seem like they are improving, but some guys look mediocre and inconsistent. I've felt Miles deserved to see the 2015 class through their junior years, but he's making it tough on the AD. I'm not pushing for Miles to be let go, but I don't think I would be uspset if we had someone solid lined up to replace him.

A huge, but overlooked point. MSU fans' reaction to this dumpster fire of a season was, "Eh, I guess we had to crash down at some point. Hopefully next year we can climb back up to above .500 and a bowl and keep going from there." It's like, weirdly reasonable. I've seen many MSU fans say Dantonio's seat is warm after going 4-8 and not making any staff changes. No job is safe when you aren't winning. Just the culture of college football these days.

I don't think you would see Morrow and Tshimanga in the starting lineup together. While it secures the lane defensively, I think it would limit our range too much offensively. Especially if Roby doesn't improve his outside shooting. It's more like having two 5s out there than a 4 and a 5. Would never give up a rebound though.

Agreed. Tommy would spin out when there was one DE running up field. There would be plenty of room to step up. I think most of the time he actually created a bigger risk of a negative play than a positive or zero-yard play.

Created an account just for this. In 2016 extra points were converted at 93.6%. That is 0.936 expected points per PAT. 2 point conversions were converted at a 48.6% rate. Multiplied by 2 points is 0.972 expected points. Over the long run it is more beneficial to go for 2. You get more points. Obviously you shouldn't go for 2 if you just tied the game up with no time on the clock. The general philosophy should be to go for 2 as long as your team can convert greater than 46.8% (.936 expected points) of the time, unless the score/clock situation calls to just kick the PAT.