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I guess his true colors are starting to rise to the surface more and the tolerance for him is maxed out.

Thanks Mavric. I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST. The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it. But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period. But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way. Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds. "Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy. And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions. Message boards are becoming more mainstream and are referenced by other media sources; and carry some influence. That influence can both be good and bad at times. As I continued to read your post, I got Braveheart flash backs as he was preparing his men for battle.

Very well done. There doesn't always have to be a line in sand.

Yes I did. However, I don't ascribe it to lack of talent, and you keep missing that point. My opinion of your lack of success has more to do with your personality, attitude, a perceived propensity to give up before a real effort is made and also the fact that you would be the type to put up over 10,000 posts sitting in front of the computer in the last three years just to this one forum, which might be siphoning away time spent more profitably elsewhere. I am done with you, as I will not be your enabler. Go do something positive, regardless of talent level. You can have the next and last word, I am going to work on my dog walking "talent". I gave up with him as well in other threads. He misses the point, twists comments, cherry picks to remove context, moves the goal posts and interprets comments in a head scratching way.

I have no idea what Epley's metric looks like when evaluating "talent", but talent is more than just an athlete. I assume he looks at a persons athletic ability in relation to speed, strength and reaction time to name a few. Having great athletes in needed for a top football team, but it goes much further than that. Football smarts also play a vital role on both sides of the ball. Reading defenses, anticipation, football geometry (pursuit angles, throwing), seeing a running lane as it opens, making cuts at the RIGHT time etc. I could go on, but my point is, being athletic and having football smarts are both crucial. A few examples..... you could have the fastest RB in the nation, but if he cannot see a running lane or make a cut at the right time, he is only half effective, and play calls are limited. (A competent coach should recognize) You can have superior athlete at QB, but if he struggles to read a defense, he is not as effective. Your defensive backs can be the strongest and fastest, but if they take poor pursuit angels.......I think I made my point on this. To go a bit further though and a bit outside the scope of this thread, coaches develop their players differently. Some players require more time than others, some need work on football IQ, others need to put on weight, get stronger, endurance, mechanics, footwork....on and on. I think that player development is ONE of the things that can separate bad, good and great coaches.

There were posters talking about different points of an issue to include player safety, football purist who say play the game as it was intended, play the game as your own risk, how the game has or will evolve and how Bill/Ed Cuningham announces football games. What is "panty waste"?

I can't remember the exact game awhile back that I first heard him drone on and on and on about players leading with helmets and safety, but it was absolutely exhausting listening to him. Additionally, it was inappropriate in the context of what his actual job duties should entail. Announce the football game and keep your opinions to a minimum Mr. Cunningham.

Nice description.

And what is the skull sitting on top of and connected to the body by? Anyone...anyone? The NECK! If players trained all the muscles in their neck (including rotational) they could reduce the acceleration of the head when hit. But no, the cavemen coaches just want you bigger & faster so you can effectively hurt someone during the 2 quarters before you're ejected or concussed. I don't want to derail the thread, but only add a small point that the bolded brings to mind. I really can't stand the trend in football that has transpired over the years with the ESPN highlight full force body slam tackle mentality. Way too many misses/wiffs. What ever happened to a good ole' two arm wrap up tackle? Solid fundamentals seem to be on the decline. Okay, done now. Back to the topic at hand.

I would be curious to see that. Not 2011, but Gus Malzahn comes to mind as hot coach who has been on the decline since his first year championship game at Auburn followed up with two sub-par years.

Valid point. If you've read a single report about the impact concussions have on the brain and what it does to an individual long term, you'd be singing a different tune. No offense, but adding the word 'liberal lawyers' (like they have anything to do with it?) and calling him a pu&&y makes you look pretty ignorant about the topic. You clearly don't understand the topic and come off looking not so great. You missed the point. Your argument is essentially that football is too violent and damaging to the brain, and that it perhaps needs to be re-examined as a sport. It's a conversation worth having, but the OPs point is that it doesn't make sense for a guy who feels that way to be calling a football game. It would be rather like having Sunday services led by a "pastor" who does nothing more than rant about the evils of organized religion. If Ed Cunningham thinks football is a brutal sport and too violent and dangerous, he shouldn't be calling games on TV. If you can't understand that, it's you who doesn't look "so great." My point was by using 'liberal lawyers' and calling him a pu&&y was immature. Like there's some agenda attacking football from the left. OP looks ignorant when using those ter Valid point. The key is to make it safer without ruining the game. Indeed, this is the key. The worry is that changes will go too far and the game will only be a shell of itself. Many believe it has already happened.

Was wondering the same thing when I saw that. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. He has been here 4 years, will probably get his degree this December. Yes, he could probably improve his stock, but he could also be ready to end his college career. He has had injury problems at times, so he could be thinking "if I am gonna be injured, I might as well do it on a NFL roster." Obviously he will have to decide what is best for him, but I hope he plays another season.

I don't want to turn this into a Lucky debate, but I don't think nearly as high about him. Newby may have potential, but I wish he would speed up finding his peak. Ameer was in his own class. Spot on with "elite" tag. I also really liked what Helu and Burkhead brought to table and consider them great backs.

Just hoping for best.

Early in the year it was suggested that Newby could be better if allowed enough playing time to find a rhythm. I think he was allowed that, showed a small improvement IMO, but still disappointed. I would like to see Wilbon or Ozigbo get a real shot to see what they can do. I think we have see a few glimpses that suggest there may be some promise, but I would like to see a enough playing time to let them get into a rhythm. While I understand effective blocking from a back is important to the overall game and the concepts Riley is trying install, I still wish that could be set aside for a bit and just see what they can do RUNNING the ball.

Question, Why do Husker fans want to be like that? I do not necessarily think this is inclusive to just Husker fans. I think we are seeing it all across college football. A few examples to make my point; coaches are given only a handful of years these days to achieve some sort of measurable success or they are fired. Schools are ponying up record $$$ amounts to find the latest hot coach to meet their desires of achievement. In the case of Nebraska fans, many of us are emotionally invested in our team and we long for the glory days. We miss the days when Nebraska was feared, always went to a top bowl game and was highly ranked. It been just under two decades now since that level of success, and husker fans have grown impatient and fear slipping deeper into mediocrity. I think the one thing we can all agree on as Husker fans is that want success for our team.......but we all define success differently, and sometimes have opposing views on how to get there and the time it should take. that's not my question. My question is, why do Husker fans want to be like this? You make a conscious decision to have the attitude you have. There are lots of examples of where coaches take several years to realize the success they ultimately get. But, instead of supporting a staff that everyone knows is going to be here for at least a few years, some fans consciously decide they are NOT going to support them and do nothing but rip them constantly. So, to them, it's win now or screw you. So....my question is, why do Husker fans want to be that type of fan? To me, that fan is setting themselves up to be pissed off and miserable most of the time. Are you kidding me dude, what is wrong with you? You cherry pick a lead in statement and say "not my question" then ignore the rest of the post. I answered your question. I guess it was not what you wanted to hear or really didn't want an answer- only a platform to flame throw. You seem to have an axe to grind but you can find someone else to grind with.

Question, Why do Husker fans want to be like that? I do not necessarily think this is inclusive to just Husker fans. I think we are seeing it all across college football. A few examples to make my point; coaches are given only a handful of years these days to achieve some sort of measurable success or they are fired. Schools are ponying up record $$$ amounts to find the latest hot coach to meet their desires of achievement. In the case of Nebraska fans, many of us are emotionally invested in our team and we long for the glory days. We miss the days when Nebraska was feared, always went to a top bowl game and was highly ranked. It been just under two decades now since that level of success, and husker fans have grown impatient and fear slipping deeper into mediocrity. I think the one thing we can all agree on as Husker fans is that want success for our team.......but we all define success differently, and sometimes have opposing views on how to get there and the time it should take.

I don't think people are objecting to a pro style offense. I think there is frustration that the coaches are not tailoring the offense to the skill sets of their players, specifically our starting QB. They are trying fit a square peg in a round hole and it is costing us some games. Eventually Riley and staff may get the players to fit their system, but that is the future and we are dealing with the present. So you've ran a system for decades and should just dump it for short term success? We played many young players and unfortunately you are typically going to have some sort of setback when transitioning. Not suggesting dumping the system at all. I bolded a few things for you, and no where does it say or suggest dumping his system. To simplify, I am talking about a smoother transition.

I can agree with much of what your saying, just not all. I believe in todays win now, instant gratification climate that has transpired over the years, a new coach would be wise to temporarily adjust certain aspects of his style while in transition. In Tommy's case, there is enough film and time with him to realize he runs hot and cold and has always showed a pattern of bad decisions when passing the ball. I think our coaching staff could do a better job of looking at what Tommy does well on a CONSISTENT basis, and try to build from there. I am not suggesting we run the ball more in every game, but simply tailor things a bit more to Tommy's strengths and the strength of the team. What are high completion percentage passes for Tommy? Does he do better in the pocket or on the run. Short pass, medium or long? Has the running back stable been used to fullest potential? If I am not rotating guys on my line, do I REALLY have the best players there? In closing.....square peg, round hole. LOL.

I don't think people are objecting to a pro style offense. I think there is frustration that the coaches are not tailoring the offense to the skill sets of their players, specifically our starting QB. They are trying fit a square peg in a round hole and it is costing us some games. Eventually Riley and staff may get the players to fit their system, but that is the future and we are dealing with the present.

In all fairness, I think there is more than the ability to recruit POTENTIALLY great player(s) to be considered. yeah.....recruiting a player that fits his system....the same system that very closely had the same production as the 4 playoff teams even though he had a QB that didn't fit. There a lot of brilliance in this thread. No need to take a passive aggressive tone with your brilliance comments. Its obvious you have your mind made up and there are no other points be considered, so we can leave it at that.

There are many points of view on Maliek staying or going that are valid. However, I still hope he stays for selfish fan reasons, but I also think it can't be a bad thing to have a college degree to fall back on when football is over.

In all fairness, I think there is more than the ability to recruit POTENTIALLY great player(s) to be considered.

That is what bothers me the most. I think we are getting very little bang for the buck with him. How is he as a recruiter?

Weather we like or not, all staffs are always judged in some way. They get judged on game day, throughout the season and year after year. Some judge with a more critical eye than others, and some call or wish for immediate consequences for poor coaching, while other show patience. Its all part of being a fan.