In the Deed the Glory

Really? I'm not so sure on that. Not really an NFL guy. Is he better than Vince Young in college, I don't think so. Now realize that and then look at Vince Young right now. Name me one QB from a spread-type run first offense that has been a success in the NFL. There isn't one, save Michael Vick if you count him. Maybe Tebow can do it, but he doesn't have the accuracy or arm strength VY had in college, so how he could start for any team I don't understand. Yeah most project him as an H-Back in the NFL. And yes he could start for NU over Ganz, easily. Especially the Zone Read offense NU ran this year. Right up his alley as a dual threat. And for the recruiting process, wasn't he the one that had the TV special on him in Florida as a Senior? If so I thought he said in that show that he grew up a Gator fan and his dream was to go to Florida, wasn't really a doubt I don't think in the end. My point being that he's more than qualified to start for NU. As far as the NFL goes, I don't know, I can think of alot teams off the top of my head that would probably take him in a heartbeat; Detroit, Cincinatti, Cleveland, Minnesota, Seatle, Oakland, KC, Chicago Cincinatti? You think he's better than Carson Palmer, holy sh#t. Seattle? Ever heard of Matt Hasselbeck? Oakland? Just drafted JaMarcus Russell, remember the last big thing from college Cleveland? Brady Quinn? come on, you really think Tebow is a better NFL type QB than Quinn was at the same point in their careers. Minnesota already has a run first learn to throw QB that is faster in Jackson. KC--I could see that argument, they are rebuilding. Chicago--think they'd rather have somebody more ready like Stafford or Bradford. NFL ready to match with that defense and RB Detroit would just for interest, plus they are terrible at QB. Unless you were talking about as an Hback, than you are completely right.

Really? I'm not so sure on that. Not really an NFL guy. Is he better than Vince Young in college, I don't think so. Now realize that and then look at Vince Young right now. Name me one QB from a spread-type run first offense that has been a success in the NFL. There isn't one, save Michael Vick if you count him. Maybe Tebow can do it, but he doesn't have the accuracy or arm strength VY had in college, so how he could start for any team I don't understand. Randall Cunningham? Was Syracuse still running the QB alot when McNabb was there (or am I thinking about someone else). Was Colorado still running the QB when Kordell Stewart was there? (OK I guess the question was success, but he did lead a team to the playoffs.) read the bold print, not around in the 80s or the early to mid 90s.

I watched it and I noticed all of that stuff, but you can’t hold that against Tebow. Announcers aside from a select few suck and play favorites every game. I don’t know how many times doing OU games this year it was all about Bradford or Texas games it was all about McCoy. Doing the Texas/OSU game they showed McCoy’s family and girlfriend more then anything besides the bands. ...or his sister? I don't know, but how f'ing hot was she? Wow! We are all forgetting the love for Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Troy Smith..... it happens every year, is it overkill? Yes. Is it our fault for listening, watching, and surfing for this crap that is spewed 24 hrs a day? A little. Is it ESPN's success by doing this driving everyone else to copy it? Absolutely. Am I answering my own questions like Brett Favre? Your f'ing right I am.

Oh ya, and yes he would have started over Ganz. Are you kidding me?

Really? I'm not so sure on that. Not really an NFL guy. Is he better than Vince Young in college, I don't think so. Now realize that and then look at Vince Young right now. Name me one QB from a spread-type run first offense that has been a success in the NFL. There isn't one, save Michael Vick if you count him. Maybe Tebow can do it, but he doesn't have the accuracy or arm strength VY had in college, so how he could start for any team I don't understand.

Comparing overall team speed of Clemson against a team like Oklahoma is ridiculous. One of the fastest men (not football player, men in any sport) in the country at (Griffin at Baylor) looked average against their secondary. OU is fast, very fast. I respect Clemson and think it will be a good game, but to think that they are going to have a speed advantage at every position on the field is absurd. Nebraska has speed, too. Is Clemson's fastest two players faster than NU's fastest two players? Probably. Is everyone from top to bottom faster, I highly doubt it.

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Why is this? I am sure that other team's corners at times do not turn to look at the ball, but it seems that many Nebraska corners don't, and this is going back many years. When you get beat early by being sucked in on a Play Action fake, you can't turn your head. You are too busy sprinting to catch up, you are taught to keep your eye on the receiver during this time. They have no reason to know the QB underthrew the receiver (which generally happens because if the corner is on an island like that there is pressure on the QB). Without knowing that, you don't know the ball is within your reach because if you don't catch that receiver he scores and that is all your are concerned with. It happens with every team that doesn't have elite speed or excellent play recognition at the CB position. Great shut down corners like Al Harris or Champ Bailey don't have this problem because they are fantastic at play recognition and don't generally get beat on the play action. (they also aren't fantastic in run support) West is great in run support, and this defense is built on zone defense with help from the safety. If you'll notice, Asante has been helping on Murillo's side mostly where the free safety has been helping West. I understand most people love him, but Ricky Thenarse has a lot of work to do in pass coverage. Everyone has a job, sometimes the person that looks terrible really did make the mistake. Sometimes he is trying to cover for someone else's mistake. Use your DVR next time to watch the play a couple times, watch the replay. Did a safety get out of position? A LB not cover his area or go on a blitz to cause the safety to rotate? These are the little things that we have gotten progressively better at all year. Nebraska is going to have one hell of a defense, maybe not next year, but soon. I for one cannot wait for it.

Jones and Green started at Bama and UGA. The West Coast play calling system is complicated compared to the Sid Gillman/Don Coryell/Joe Gibbs system, that uses numbers for routes, this is a fact of football. If you get a free education to play football, you should be able to learn a playbook. How are numbers more complicated than names? Easy vs. Complicated has everything to do with individual abilities of people, not the system itself, and it is an opinion regardless. Also, a fact is something that is proven to be accurate 100% of the time. An opinion is what one person or a group of people believe that may or may not differ from another person or group. Two examples (three if you count your unnatural crush on Dez Bryant) doesn't make it a rule. Zoogies said that "not every" one of these would play right away. I'm sure there are more than 3 fast and highly rated receivers that are in the first year of their college career. 90% of the NFL calls plays with the "West Coast System" so maybe you don't play right away in college, but its easier to pick up if you get to the NFL. If we're talking about highly rated WR, that is a consideration as well. Granted, most of those won't even pan out in college, let alone the NFL. I think we need to let the OC of an offense that has been top 15 two years in a row call these shots, don't you? Gillman and WC system are both West Coast per se, but Gillman's system is big OL, fast WRs and a power running game, with a big play-action game that tries to hit deep passes. The WC as per Walsh requires big WRs, more movement by OL, therefore requiring smaller, quicker types. The QB doesn't need a gun arm, the Gillman/Coryell system needs a gut that has a cannon and can hit the deep pass with touch. Best WC QBs today would be Favre and McNabb, best Coryell QBs are Brady & Kurt Warner. The Colts and Panthers run a system more akin to the Gillman system, but comes from the old Steelers and Giants from 70s and 80s. I would put Drew Brees as the best WC QB out there now. Even though they are running more of the old Oilers style spread gun offense. I appreciate having someone else to banter with about the NFL, but we should talk about it in another board. I would disagree with Favre being a WC kind of QB. He is because that is what he had been brought up in, but his tendency is more of an old school gunslinger. He still has the strongest arm in the NFL. All Favre coaches are WC guys starting with Holmgren. I guess you don't remember Sterling Sharpe? Brees, right here from Westlake, they do run the WC system. I really don't know what a WR has to do with anything you've talked about before. And that is what I said, he has been brought up in that system, but at heart it isn't his style. Do you actually read the other posts or just post whatever the hell pops into your head?

Uh-oh but I bet Bo has something to top it Bo's defense hasn't been that good vs mobile QBs, zone reads and options. True, but the difference between the zone read and the bone is THE SPREAD OFFENSE. You aren't spread out with a bone offense, so you're LB and S are there for help in the box. The problem would be one on ones against the CBs. I would look for a look like the Dolphins 'bone, the wildcat with two other backs. Spiller taking snaps? Cacti, which could you see being the better behind center of your many great backs? Have you seen use of this at all this year? I haven't seen any tape on the or watched a game. Using extra practices to prep for G-tech's offense, and might use some vs NU, but they are still a gun spread offense. It also cause confusion in prep for NU. agreed

Jones and Green started at Bama and UGA. The West Coast play calling system is complicated compared to the Sid Gillman/Don Coryell/Joe Gibbs system, that uses numbers for routes, this is a fact of football. If you get a free education to play football, you should be able to learn a playbook. How are numbers more complicated than names? Easy vs. Complicated has everything to do with individual abilities of people, not the system itself, and it is an opinion regardless. Also, a fact is something that is proven to be accurate 100% of the time. An opinion is what one person or a group of people believe that may or may not differ from another person or group. Two examples (three if you count your unnatural crush on Dez Bryant) doesn't make it a rule. Zoogies said that "not every" one of these would play right away. I'm sure there are more than 3 fast and highly rated receivers that are in the first year of their college career. 90% of the NFL calls plays with the "West Coast System" so maybe you don't play right away in college, but its easier to pick up if you get to the NFL. If we're talking about highly rated WR, that is a consideration as well. Granted, most of those won't even pan out in college, let alone the NFL. I think we need to let the OC of an offense that has been top 15 two years in a row call these shots, don't you? Gillman and WC system are both West Coast per se, but Gillman's system is big OL, fast WRs and a power running game, with a big play-action game that tries to hit deep passes. The WC as per Walsh requires big WRs, more movement by OL, therefore requiring smaller, quicker types. The QB doesn't need a gun arm, the Gillman/Coryell system needs a gut that has a cannon and can hit the deep pass with touch. Best WC QBs today would be Favre and McNabb, best Coryell QBs are Brady & Kurt Warner. The Colts and Panthers run a system more akin to the Gillman system, but comes from the old Steelers and Giants from 70s and 80s. I would put Drew Brees as the best WC QB out there now. Even though they are running more of the old Oilers style spread gun offense. I appreciate having someone else to banter with about the NFL, but we should talk about it in another board. I would disagree with Favre being a WC kind of QB. He is because that is what he had been brought up in, but his tendency is more of an old school gunslinger. He still has the strongest arm in the NFL.

Uh-oh but I bet Bo has something to top it Bo's defense hasn't been that good vs mobile QBs, zone reads and options. True, but the difference between the zone read and the bone is THE SPREAD OFFENSE. You aren't spread out with a bone offense, so you're LB and S are there for help in the box. The problem would be one on ones against the CBs. I would look for a look like the Dolphins 'bone, the wildcat with two other backs. Spiller taking snaps? Cacti, which could you see being the better behind center of your many great backs? Have you seen use of this at all this year? I haven't seen any tape on the or watched a game.

If it was me, I take the money. First rounders are guaranteed millionaires (signing bonus). You have to take that chance. but I think he stays. I think so too, based on the education factor. As I said, his parents are both intellectuals and put a lot in education.

Jones and Green started at Bama and UGA. The West Coast play calling system is complicated compared to the Sid Gillman/Don Coryell/Joe Gibbs system, that uses numbers for routes, this is a fact of football. If you get a free education to play football, you should be able to learn a playbook. How are numbers more complicated than names? Easy vs. Complicated has everything to do with individual abilities of people, not the system itself, and it is an opinion regardless. Also, a fact is something that is proven to be accurate 100% of the time. An opinion is what one person or a group of people believe that may or may not differ from another person or group. Two examples (three if you count your unnatural crush on Dez Bryant) doesn't make it a rule. Zoogies said that "not every" one of these would play right away. I'm sure there are more than 3 fast and highly rated receivers that are in the first year of their college career. 90% of the NFL calls plays with the "West Coast System" so maybe you don't play right away in college, but its easier to pick up if you get to the NFL. If we're talking about highly rated WR, that is a consideration as well. Granted, most of those won't even pan out in college, let alone the NFL. I think we need to let the OC of an offense that has been top 15 two years in a row call these shots, don't you?

Dude, what is with your stiffy for oSu? Two threads about Dez Bryant, now this?

If it was me, I take the money. First rounders are guaranteed millionaires (signing bonus). You have to take that chance. However, his parents are really big on education.

Isn't this really the same thread he started about Paul and Gilleyen. Can a Mod merge these.

No he isn't. That is an uneducated comment. Helu maybe a better runner, maybe. Probably is. He isn't even close in pass pro, and Lucky is a far better receiver. Lucky is faster and stronger. Helu is quicker in making people miss, but some of his success is that teams weren't ready for him. They were preparing for, guess who? Marlon Lucky. Marlon wasn't recruited for a spread offense, and yet he looked great when healthy. If you don't understand all the aspects of the game, don't make a blanket statement like that.

The complete lack of a running game the first half of the season may have had something to do with that. DBs could sit on routes because they didn't have to honor the run game. His arm strength is definately questionable, he doesn't possess the ability to throw the deep out, deep fade, or the 10 yard out across the field. Which is what you said, in a nutshell. There isn't an easier pick to take to the house than jumping a sideline out route.

Most major high school experts are doubting that Cody Green will be a QB his entire college career. He has an awkward delivery and has terrible footwork. He will redshirt so they can coach his fundamentals and technique. I'm not saying he won't be a good QB (I think he will), but high school stats don't necessarily translate to great college careers. He is highly intelligent, which should translate well to his success. We'll see.

I should probably make sure that everybody knows that I did this a long time ago, not just because of Eric Crouch or Nebraska-related stuff. It is because the spew bullsh#t constantly and don't do any real reporting on sports. They hire internet bloggers as reporters on their website. That means that they don't do any research and generally are uninformed in the area they are reporting on.

If they are basing this on who should have won that year, where do you start? Reggie Bush wins with all that talent on his team over Vince Young who was his whole team? Eddie George wins when his team isn't undefeated, he doesn't lead the nation in rushing yards or TD (Troy Davis anyone?), and Tommie Frazier is crushing people all year long on the way to back to back NC on the greatest team of all time. ESPN is ridiculous, I only watch it for the games. I don't go to their website and I canceled my subscription to their magazine years ago. This guy is a moron, but he fits in well there.

To be fair, you can smoke weed and go to college at the same time. It's possible. That's all. Yeah, but it's illegal...that's kinda the reason that it FREAKIN IDIOTIC to do it if you are on Scholarship for a team like Nebraksa.... Just to be clear, athletes party just like anybody else. Its their decision like it is anybody's, so they can be judged for doing it. I just don't understand when people are surprised. Weed is a good reason to not go to class, but it can also make class interesting. I would never have went to Astronomy lab @ 8:30 pm on Thursday if I wasn't high! It was awesome baked. Then you grow up and you get married and have kids and you spend your time on an internet message board........ Wow I'm old.