Alabama's record from 2000 til Saban got there: 3-8, 7-5, 4-9, 6-6, 10-2, 6-7. Man, you're right, they were such a powerhouse before Saban got there! He's also lost numerous coordinators but their ghosts must still be there since they're always doing the work. I mean, it's not a talent to keep finding coordinaters who are good to replace the other. I also forgot that Osborne was a saint, I mean it's not like he hid a gun for his player or wanted professors to change grades so football players would be eligible. Regardless, Saban is the best head coach of all time imo but Osborne is right after him.