carlfense Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? The South Park argument! It doesn't have to be a minority status. That's kind of an odd assumption . . . It very well could be an "odd' assumption but aren't the majority of "hate crime" classifications rooted in race somewhere.............?? Do you equate race and minority status? how do you equate minority status? Do you really need me to explain that to you? Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Maybe I am wrong but it seems the "hate" crime moniker is usually reserved and related to some race status or sexual orientation status. I guess I worded my reservations about it wrongly. I don't see what it matters if the perps or the victims happen to be black, white, gay, straight, or whatever. The fact remains that a crime was committed. I just don't see what it matters if they hurled racial slurs or homophobic taunts while they were doing the crime. If we're talking about a rape or murder for instance, the victim has been harmed severely. Calling them a name during the act seems rather insignificant to me. LIke I said, I am all for anything that increases the punishment but I just don't see the sense in another stipulation that differentiates us based on race, color, sex, orientation, etc. Those things are not supposed to matter in this country because we are all equal. It seems we could possibly get over the hump of actually accepting everyone as equal if we weren't constantly treating people like they are somehow different. Actually, I agree. When I said the "South Park Argument" I didn't mean that it was not correct. As far as I'm concerned though . . . this gives us one more tool to punish the perpetrators of particularly heinous crimes. Link to comment
johnnyrodgers20 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Carlfense quote: Do you really need me to explain that to you? Apparently, Your above statement has the I don't know emoticon, so I am not sure how you feel or think about it? Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Carlfense quote: Do you really need me to explain that to you? Apparently, Your above statement has the I don't know emoticon, so I am not sure how you feel or think about it? What is your question? Link to comment
johnnyrodgers20 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Carlfense quote: Do you really need me to explain that to you? Apparently, Your above statement has the I don't know emoticon, so I am not sure how you feel or think about it? What is your question? Do you equate race with minority status? Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Carlfense quote: Do you really need me to explain that to you? Apparently, Your above statement has the I don't know emoticon, so I am not sure how you feel or think about it? What is your question? Do you equate race with minority status? Nooooo....... that's the question Carlfense asked. The question YOU asked was, "how do you equate minority status? " Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Carlfense quote: Do you really need me to explain that to you? Apparently, Your above statement has the I don't know emoticon, so I am not sure how you feel or think about it? What is your question? Do you equate race with minority status? Nooooo....... that's the question Carlfense asked. The question YOU asked was, "how do you equate minority status? " This guy is either the most successful troll ever . . . or . . . well . . . Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Carlfense quote: Do you really need me to explain that to you? Apparently, Your above statement has the I don't know emoticon, so I am not sure how you feel or think about it? What is your question? Do you equate race with minority status? As knapplc noted, that was my question. If you are asking me to answer my own question the answer is "no." Link to comment
Lil' Red Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Maybe I am wrong but it seems the "hate" crime moniker is usually reserved and related to some race status or sexual orientation status. I guess I worded my reservations about it wrongly. I don't see what it matters if the perps or the victims happen to be black, white, gay, straight, or whatever. The fact remains that a crime was committed. I just don't see what it matters if they hurled racial slurs or homophobic taunts while they were doing the crime. If we're talking about a rape or murder for instance, the victim has been harmed severely. Calling them a name during the act seems rather insignificant to me. LIke I said, I am all for anything that increases the punishment but I just don't see the sense in another stipulation that differentiates us based on race, color, sex, orientation, etc. Those things are not supposed to matter in this country because we are all equal. It seems we could possibly get over the hump of actually accepting everyone as equal if we weren't constantly treating people like they are somehow different. I agree. I really don't understand why it should be a factor. Link to comment
johnnyrodgers20 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 Carlfense quote: Do you really need me to explain that to you? Apparently, Your above statement has the I don't know emoticon, so I am not sure how you feel or think about it? What is your question? Do you equate race with minority status? As knapplc noted, that was my question. If you are asking me to answer my own question the answer is "no." Finally you got it, thank you!! You two are so smart that you finally figured it out. Link to comment
carlfense Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Carlfense quote: Do you really need me to explain that to you? Apparently, Your above statement has the I don't know emoticon, so I am not sure how you feel or think about it? What is your question? Do you equate race with minority status? As knapplc noted, that was my question. If you are asking me to answer my own question the answer is "no." Finally you got it, thank you!! You two are so smart that you finally figured it out. Do you realize that "your" does not mean the same thing as "my?" I guess we figured it out . . . now we'll wait patiently for you to do the same. Link to comment
johnnyrodgers20 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? The South Park argument! It doesn't have to be a minority status. That's kind of an odd assumption . . . It very well could be an "odd' assumption but aren't the majority of "hate crime" classifications rooted in race somewhere.............?? Do you equate race and minority status? how do you equate minority status? I wanted you to answer your own question. Had you answered it like this "If you are asking me to answer my own question the answer is "no."" then we would have avoided this whole page. Simple huh! Link to comment
carlfense Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I wanted you to answer your own question. Had you answered it like this "If you are asking me to answer my own question the answer is "no."" then we would have avoided this whole page. Simple huh! But you didn't ask me my own question. You asked me a different question. You asked me <YOUR QUESTION> "how do you equate minority status?" That is a different question than <MY QUESTION> "Do you equate race and minority status?" It really isn't too difficult. Again I'm left wondering if you are the most successful troll ever . . . or if you are as you appear. Link to comment
johnnyrodgers20 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 And you do not appear as intelligent as you make yourself out to be. Simple questions that can't be figured out by you. Makes me wonder are you really like that?!?! Link to comment
Sub-Husker Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? When minorities are specifically targeted for violent crime by the majority, that is a form of terrorism. Link to comment
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