johnnyrodgers20 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Some teens thought they would randomly beat someone up. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120130_Thugs_whup_up_on_cabbie__passenger.html Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Some teens thought they would randomly beat someone up. http://www.philly.co..._passenger.html If they selected their victims because of their race . . . I think it probably fits the definition. Link to comment
johnnyrodgers20 Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Some teens thought they would randomly beat someone up. http://www.philly.co..._passenger.html If they selected their victims because of their race . . . I think it probably fits the definition. I don't know but the article says they were using racial slurs?!?!? Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Some teens thought they would randomly beat someone up. http://www.philly.co..._passenger.html If they selected their victims because of their race . . . I think it probably fits the definition. I don't know but the article says they were using racial slurs?!?!? Yeah. That's probably where you can infer the intent. Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? The South Park argument! It doesn't have to be a minority status. That's kind of an odd assumption . . . Link to comment
Comish Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? The South Park argument! It doesn't have to be a minority status. That's kind of an odd assumption . . . It very well could be an "odd' assumption but aren't the majority of "hate crime" classifications rooted in race somewhere.............?? Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? The South Park argument! It doesn't have to be a minority status. That's kind of an odd assumption . . . It very well could be an "odd' assumption but aren't the majority of "hate crime" classifications rooted in race somewhere.............?? Do you equate race and minority status? Link to comment
MLB 51 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Shouldn't rape be a hate crime against women. Assuming a man rape's a woman. Link to comment
Comish Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? The South Park argument! It doesn't have to be a minority status. That's kind of an odd assumption . . . It very well could be an "odd' assumption but aren't the majority of "hate crime" classifications rooted in race somewhere.............?? Do you equate race and minority status? No..........my bad.................just thinking you seem to hear of hate crimes vs the majority less frequently................. Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Shouldn't rape be a hate crime against women. Assuming a man rape's a woman. I don't believe gender is a protected category under US hate crime law but I think that rape is a hate crime under some state statutes. Link to comment
carlfense Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? The South Park argument! It doesn't have to be a minority status. That's kind of an odd assumption . . . It very well could be an "odd' assumption but aren't the majority of "hate crime" classifications rooted in race somewhere.............?? Do you equate race and minority status? No..........my bad.................just thinking you seem to hear of hate crimes vs the majority less frequently................. Maybe. The linked article is about black teens beating a white guy. Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Maybe I am wrong but it seems the "hate" crime moniker is usually reserved and related to some race status or sexual orientation status. I guess I worded my reservations about it wrongly. I don't see what it matters if the perps or the victims happen to be black, white, gay, straight, or whatever. The fact remains that a crime was committed. I just don't see what it matters if they hurled racial slurs or homophobic taunts while they were doing the crime. If we're talking about a rape or murder for instance, the victim has been harmed severely. Calling them a name during the act seems rather insignificant to me. LIke I said, I am all for anything that increases the punishment but I just don't see the sense in another stipulation that differentiates us based on race, color, sex, orientation, etc. Those things are not supposed to matter in this country because we are all equal. It seems we could possibly get over the hump of actually accepting everyone as equal if we weren't constantly treating people like they are somehow different. 1 Link to comment
johnnyrodgers20 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've never really understood why a crime needs to be classified as a "hate" crime. If some thugs break into my house and rape my wife or beat me or kill one of my children, why do people think it any worse if it happened to be some minorities home nd some racial slurs are tossed in? I just don't get it. I'm all for anything that might increase the punishment but aren't these actions the epitome of hate with or without some minority status being involved? The South Park argument! It doesn't have to be a minority status. That's kind of an odd assumption . . . It very well could be an "odd' assumption but aren't the majority of "hate crime" classifications rooted in race somewhere.............?? Do you equate race and minority status? how do you equate minority status? Link to comment
johnnyrodgers20 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Maybe I am wrong but it seems the "hate" crime moniker is usually reserved and related to some race status or sexual orientation status. I guess I worded my reservations about it wrongly. I don't see what it matters if the perps or the victims happen to be black, white, gay, straight, or whatever. The fact remains that a crime was committed. I just don't see what it matters if they hurled racial slurs or homophobic taunts while they were doing the crime. If we're talking about a rape or murder for instance, the victim has been harmed severely. Calling them a name during the act seems rather insignificant to me. LIke I said, I am all for anything that increases the punishment but I just don't see the sense in another stipulation that differentiates us based on race, color, sex, orientation, etc. Those things are not supposed to matter in this country because we are all equal. It seems we could possibly get over the hump of actually accepting everyone as equal if we weren't constantly treating people like they are somehow different. +1 Link to comment
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