Don't like socialist entitlements? Don't vote Republican.

[rawhide]

Irrespective of the reputations and the rhetoric of the Democratic and Republican parties today, the empirical correspondence between Republican presidencies and turbocharged entitlement expenditures should underscore the unsettling truth that both political parties have, on the whole, been working together in an often unspoken consensus to fuel the explosion of entitlement spending.

 

 

Why you say? Because the entitled have become a voting bloc rivaling any other and surpassing most special interests. I truly believe that's why the beast is still being fed at such a prodigious rate with ever increasing amounts.

 

So what would be the effect if say the Guvmint would just sever the cord completely or reduce the 2.2Trillion to 1 Trillion instantly. Chaos, insanity, oh yeah. Zombie apocalypse incarnate.

[sd'sker]

Mitt Romney, Class Warrior

 

"The right wing has long been whining about people who don’t pay taxes and who, therefore, don’t deserve a say in government. They have it backward. The shame is not that those people don’t pay income taxes. The shame is how many poor people there are when the top 1 percent can amass uncountable fortunes fed by tax breaks and can donate tens of millions of dollars to political candidates to keep it that way."

i tend to agree. follow the money.

[krc1995]

As I have said many times. This problem is BOTH party's fault. Bush and Obama have been horrible on spending. Gee...so let's go reelect one of the problems. That sounds smart.

 

Except that Obama is horrible on spending in large part BECAUSE OF Bush. No Republican likes to hear that, but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

I'll agree with you that both parties are at fault. That's why I strongly encourage everyone I talk to about this stuff to register Independent. Stop registering as Democrat or Republican. Make their national ranks dwindle. You can still vote for whomever you want, just don't directly support either party. Send a message like that and maybe they'll start to get the hint.

I hate the thought of being labeled one or the other. I believe in the capitalism and everyone contributing. I do not believe anyone is "owed" something that someone else worked for. But I also believe in a women's right to an abortion and taking care of those that can't take care of themselves. So I have no idea what I am going to do in November or if it really matters.

[huskerXman]

As I have said many times. This problem is BOTH party's fault. Bush and Obama have been horrible on spending. Gee...so let's go reelect one of the problems. That sounds smart.

 

Except that Obama is horrible on spending in large part BECAUSE OF Bush. No Republican likes to hear that, but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

I'll agree with you that both parties are at fault. That's why I strongly encourage everyone I talk to about this stuff to register Independent. Stop registering as Democrat or Republican. Make their national ranks dwindle. You can still vote for whomever you want, just don't directly support either party. Send a message like that and maybe they'll start to get the hint.

 

 

See there you go again. It isn't just because of Bush, he did his part to help, yes, but Clinton did too. You are seeing the affects of Clintons policies as well as Bush and Obama's.

[knapplc]

See there you go again. It isn't just because of Bush, he did his part to help, yes, but Clinton did too. You are seeing the affects of Clintons policies as well as Bush and Obama's.

 

If you notice, I said "IN LARGE PART," I didn't blame it entirely on Bush. Don't see what you want to see, see what I said.

[carlfense]

As I have said many times. This problem is BOTH party's fault. Bush and Obama have been horrible on spending. Gee...so let's go reelect one of the problems. That sounds smart.

 

Except that Obama is horrible on spending in large part BECAUSE OF Bush. No Republican likes to hear that, but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

I'll agree with you that both parties are at fault. That's why I strongly encourage everyone I talk to about this stuff to register Independent. Stop registering as Democrat or Republican. Make their national ranks dwindle. You can still vote for whomever you want, just don't directly support either party. Send a message like that and maybe they'll start to get the hint.

See there you go again. It isn't just because of Bush, he did his part to help, yes, but Clinton did too. You are seeing the affects of Clintons policies as well as Bush and Obama's.

If you're saying that both politicians from both parties are responsible for our deficit . . . I agree.

 

If you're saying that Clinton's policies are equally responsible for our deficit as W's policies . . . I disagree.

 

 

"Both sides" is true . . . but that doesn't mean that they share equal responsibility.

[huskerXman]

See there you go again. It isn't just because of Bush, he did his part to help, yes, but Clinton did too. You are seeing the affects of Clintons policies as well as Bush and Obama's.

 

If you notice, I said "IN LARGE PART," I didn't blame it entirely on Bush. Don't see what you want to see, see what I said.

 

I see what you said. and I see what you mean.

[huskerXman]

As I have said many times. This problem is BOTH party's fault. Bush and Obama have been horrible on spending. Gee...so let's go reelect one of the problems. That sounds smart.

 

Except that Obama is horrible on spending in large part BECAUSE OF Bush. No Republican likes to hear that, but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

I'll agree with you that both parties are at fault. That's why I strongly encourage everyone I talk to about this stuff to register Independent. Stop registering as Democrat or Republican. Make their national ranks dwindle. You can still vote for whomever you want, just don't directly support either party. Send a message like that and maybe they'll start to get the hint.

See there you go again. It isn't just because of Bush, he did his part to help, yes, but Clinton did too. You are seeing the affects of Clintons policies as well as Bush and Obama's.

If you're saying that both politicians from both parties are responsible for our deficit . . . I agree.

 

If you're saying that Clinton's policies are equally responsible for our deficit as W's policies . . . I disagree.

 

 

"Both sides" is true . . . but that doesn't mean that they share equal responsibility.

 

What was the start of all this? The housing bubble..

 

http://www.businessw...tons_drive.html

 

Add President Clinton to the long list of people who deserve a share of the blame for the housing bubble and bust. A recently re-exposed document shows that his administration went to ridiculous lengths to increase the national homeownership rate. It promoted paper-thin downpayments and pushed for ways to get lenders to give mortgage loans to first-time buyers with shaky financing and incomes. It’s clear now that the erosion of lending standards pushed prices up by increasing demand, and later led to waves of defaults by people who never should have bought a home in the first place.

President Bush continued the practices because they dovetailed with his Ownership Society goals, and of course Congress was strongly behind the push. But Clinton and his administration must shoulder some of the blame.

In writing this blog entry, I’m following the lead of Joseph R. Mason, who is a finance professor at Drexel University’s LeBow College of Business, a senior fellow at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School, and a consultant at Criterion Economics. Here is a link to a piece that he wrote on Feb. 26.

The Clinton-era document that Mason cites—“The National Homeownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream”—was hiding in plain sight

on the website of the Department of Housing & Urban Development until last year, when according to Mason it was removed (probably because the housing bust made it seem embarrassing to the department). Mason credits Joshua Rosner of Graham Fisher & Co. with saving a copy of it before it was expunged.

 

Like I said, Clinton had just as much to blame.

[sd'sker]

As I have said many times. This problem is BOTH party's fault. Bush and Obama have been horrible on spending. Gee...so let's go reelect one of the problems. That sounds smart.

 

Except that Obama is horrible on spending in large part BECAUSE OF Bush. No Republican likes to hear that, but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

I'll agree with you that both parties are at fault. That's why I strongly encourage everyone I talk to about this stuff to register Independent. Stop registering as Democrat or Republican. Make their national ranks dwindle. You can still vote for whomever you want, just don't directly support either party. Send a message like that and maybe they'll start to get the hint.

I hate the thought of being labeled one or the other. I believe in the capitalism and everyone contributing. I do not believe anyone is "owed" something that someone else worked for. But I also believe in a women's right to an abortion and taking care of those that can't take care of themselves. So I have no idea what I am going to do in November or if it really matters.

i think that is what most people believe. this is not a red or blue nation, it is a purple nation. the problem is that parties use wedge issues to divide us because both parties are just shills for corporate interests. voting against your own interests is rampant by members of both parties because of willful ignorance and campaigns of disinformation.

[carlfense]

What do you mean by "this?"

 

If you're saying that both politicians from both parties are responsible for our deficit . . . I agree.

 

If you're saying that Clinton's policies are equally responsible for our deficit as W's policies . . . I disagree.

 

 

"Both sides" is true . . . but that doesn't mean that they share equal responsibility.

What was the start of all this? The housing bubble..

. . .

Like I said, Clinton had just as much to blame.

 

We were talking about spending and the deficit. Now you seem to be talking about the recession. They're not the same thing.

[huskerXman]

What do you mean by "this?"

 

If you're saying that both politicians from both parties are responsible for our deficit . . . I agree.

 

If you're saying that Clinton's policies are equally responsible for our deficit as W's policies . . . I disagree.

 

 

"Both sides" is true . . . but that doesn't mean that they share equal responsibility.

What was the start of all this? The housing bubble..

. . .

Like I said, Clinton had just as much to blame.

 

We were talking about spending and the deficit. Now you seem to be talking about the recession. They're not the same thing.

 

You don't think spending had anything to do with the recession and the housing bubble? Really?

 

They are ALL part of this issue.

 

housing bubble... recession.. spending.. one helped cause the other which lead to the rest..

[carlfense]

What do you mean by "this?"

 

If you're saying that both politicians from both parties are responsible for our deficit . . . I agree.

 

If you're saying that Clinton's policies are equally responsible for our deficit as W's policies . . . I disagree.

 

 

"Both sides" is true . . . but that doesn't mean that they share equal responsibility.

What was the start of all this? The housing bubble..

. . .

Like I said, Clinton had just as much to blame.

 

We were talking about spending and the deficit. Now you seem to be talking about the recession. They're not the same thing.

 

You don't think spending had anything to do with the recession and the housing bubble? Really?

 

They are ALL part of this issue.

 

housing bubble... recession.. spending.. one helped cause the other which lead to the rest..

I didn't say that. You seem to be trying to equate the two. (Not to mention that Clinton policies weren't the sole cause of the housing bubble . . .)

 

Government spending was increasing (and the deficit with it) prior to the housing bubble collapse.

 

I notice that you seem to be leaving out one major contributor to the deficit. That leads me to believe that you probably vote primarily for one particular party. A certain type of partisan doesn't like to include that factor.

[huskerXman]

What do you mean by "this?"

 

If you're saying that both politicians from both parties are responsible for our deficit . . . I agree.

 

If you're saying that Clinton's policies are equally responsible for our deficit as W's policies . . . I disagree.

 

 

"Both sides" is true . . . but that doesn't mean that they share equal responsibility.

What was the start of all this? The housing bubble..

. . .

Like I said, Clinton had just as much to blame.

 

We were talking about spending and the deficit. Now you seem to be talking about the recession. They're not the same thing.

 

You don't think spending had anything to do with the recession and the housing bubble? Really?

 

They are ALL part of this issue.

 

housing bubble... recession.. spending.. one helped cause the other which lead to the rest..

I didn't say that. You seem to be trying to equate the two. (Not to mention that Clinton policies weren't the sole cause of the housing bubble . . .)

 

Government spending was increasing (and the deficit with it) prior to the housing bubble collapse.

 

I notice that you seem to be leaving out one major contributor to the deficit. That leads me to believe that you probably vote primarily for one particular party. A certain type of partisan doesn't like to include that factor.

 

I vote independent, and I will be voting for Ron Paul.

 

In reality there are alot more factors that caused (or helped) the recession but they are all part of the extreme spending happening today.

[sd'sker]

 

I didn't say that. You seem to be trying to equate the two. (Not to mention that Clinton policies weren't the sole cause of the housing bubble . . .)

 

Government spending was increasing (and the deficit with it) prior to the housing bubble collapse.

 

I notice that you seem to be leaving out one major contributor to the deficit. That leads me to believe that you probably vote primarily for one particular party. A certain type of partisan doesn't like to include that factor.

wow, i have never seen that chart before and it makes bush look really bad and obama look pretty good. that chart tells quite the story, not only about politics, but also economics.

[carlfense]

In reality there are alot more factors that caused (or helped) the recession but they are all part of the extreme spending happening today.

If you're truly concerned about the deficit you can't ignore the fact that income taxes are the lowest that they've been in 60 years.