All time top NU QBs

[Guy Chamberlin]

One minute you're talking about how Martinez loses us to many games because of turnovers... then you talk about Farve being the all time great when not considering the number of games he lost because of his own turnovers. Here's one. NFC conference championship against Saints when he was with Vikings.

And the one when he was with the Packers against the Giants. Both were on SportsCenter today.

 

It's an interesting comparison, because there were many other games where Brett Favre played out of his mind, carrying the Packers on his back to dozens of wins. And that game where he almost single handedly brought a mediocre Vikings team from behind to nearly defeat a very talented Saints team in the NFC championship......before suddenly throwing the ball right into the arms of a Saints defender. Maddening. But also impossible not to think of how many times Favre made incredible plays to win plenty of big games. Well actually it's possible, because people turned on Favre for a variety of reasons. He ended up with a Super Bowl ring and almost every meaningful career QB statistic. Including interceptions, iirc.

 

And now Peyton Manning is getting a bit of the same reputation. One Super Bowl ring to go with some very bad interceptions in some very big games.

[1HuskrFan]

 

You must be a young kid to have Manziel as your favorite player after just one yr. To compare him to some of the super stars that have come before him and played great for 3 to 4 yrs. this kid hasn't really done anything yet. No conference titles, NC or any type of hardware and you have him as the greatest in college football history. You sir have a very limited exposure to the real football. The kid had an amazing freshmen yr, won the heisman due to the fact wasn't any competition for the award this yr. You could say he won by default.We'll see what his encore is like in 13. My guess is he'll have his head handed to him. He won't sneak up on anyone next yr. TAMU gets lit up next yr, I see at least 4 losses, and a couple of close wins that could be losses.

 

 

I didn't make an accusation to my knowledge about anyone or anything. I simply voiced my opinion which you took exception to.

 

 

 

Taylor doesn't play defense, so why would his numbers be different if the defense is better. The team win loss record may be better, but taylors numbers would stay the same.

 

 

 

Appreciate the condescension towards a comment that was in no way directed towards you. I'm not sure what your standards are for a 'young kid' but I don't really care what they are, you're welcome to go to my profile and deduce it for yourself if I meet your qualifications (I'll save you some trouble, I'm 21 years old). Regardless of my age I have read up on and watched film of professional and college teams and players back decades before I was born and played the game for 9 years of my life, but I'm a "young kid" so they might not matter by your judgment. The difference is the lack of intellect between you and I, which is something that is not beholden to age, unlike experience. I'd be thoroughly comfortable to PM you for a stick-measuring contest on academic and professional credentials because I have my guesses about what kind of person you are based on your unsophisticated manner of posting, which is very juvenile in tone. Even though you are quite older, you probably lack a high intellectual capacity and the ability to think intuitively. Heck, you don't even have proper reading comprehension skills. So let's begin:

 

Quote #1. You failed to address any portion of my response to someone else's question other than the very last sentence of it. Even then you failed to comprehend it correctly. Where in that sentence did I "compare him to the super stars" or call him the "best in college football history"? Go back and re-read my post. I said Manziel has been my favorite non-husker so far in college football history. Favorite as in FAVORITE TO WATCH, as in exciting and flashy, as in I enjoy watching his ability to scramble around, improvise & extend plays. Favorite and best are two distinct adjectives. I am entitled to my opinion. I do not think Manziel is the best player in college football history, that would be Barry Sanders in my opinion. But in your rush to throw your stick around into an exchange that didn't involve you, you were motivated by the desire to condescend from your high-horse. Because that one time you rode the bench and were Johnny Rodgers' towel boy at Omaha Tech 44 years ago makes you the resident Huskerboard football expert. Maybe because senility might be creeping in you haven't realized there's a resource called the internet which gives anyone the ability to read up on college football history, which I have made judicious use of, since it is a passion of mine. Here's something I've learned that your rapidly deteriorating brain will never accept, college football players are only going to get better and better in the future. Genetically and developmentally players are more athletic today than they were even 10-15 years ago. If you transported Bobby Reynolds, Jeff Kinney, or Johnny Rodgers from back in time to today, they would all be riding the bench behind Ameer Abdullah and Braylon Heard. And in 30 years time, Ameer and Braylon today will look average athletically because players will be athletic superfreaks by that time. The best players in history have yet to come. Rich Glover was an all-american at 6'1 240 pounds. Tell me how many 6'1 240 linemen you see these days period. But I understand historical context and can still appreciate Rich Glover because he was dominant for his time, something that you think is impossible for "young kids" to be capable of understanding.

 

Quote #2: Further indication that maybe senility might be creeping in because you seemed to have forgot that I was simply voicing an opinion as well. And it was an opinion that you completely misinterpreted.

 

Quote #3: This is where I think your intuitive understanding of the game is severely limited. You lack the ability to think critically and have digested football at face value for 44 years because you are limited in intellect. Because if you were truly intelligent you would realize that the two are not unrelated, but rather very much intertwined. Field position plays a huge role in QB and offensive stats. Tim Beck has continually said in 2011 he had to have Taylor throw it around a lot because they were behind in score early, which is the defense's fault for allowing scores. When the team is down, the quarterback takes on high-risk, high-reward throws at a greater pace. Turnovers by the offense affect the defense by giving them a short field to defend. Hurry up-offenses force your own defense onto the field longer. There's a million pieces of evidence that offensive and defensive performances are related. Yet, after 44 years of supposed vast football experience you make one of the most elementary statements I have heard. I have honestly heard better musings from twelve year olds than that farce of a statement you just tried to pass off as analysis.

Your response validates my original opinion. You are very young indeed. I did not misinterpret your meaning of Johnny Manziel being your favorite college player of all time. My response to that statement was very valid. "With all the super stars through out college football history(players who were fun to watch), to place Manziel at the top, shows your limited exposure, Yes, you are entitled to your opinion as to who is your favorite player of all time, it's just not a very large sample. He's fun and exciting to watch, however to make the statement that he's your favorite, is in direct relation to my comment about your age and validates my comment. It wasn't meant to put you down or to take anything away from Manziel. It was meant exactly as it was stated that in my opinion, you have a limited resource to choose from. You can use the internet as your source of information, and that has some merit, however, the internet cannot give you information as to how many towels I carried for Johnny Rodgers, or what my relationship with him was. So your attack on my character and intellect, just lowers you to a lever which you accuse me of.

Also your assumption that Glover couldn't line up and play in today's game, has validity in only one fact, they have changed the rules, so that D lineman are off the ball 1 yard. If your judicial use of the internet was as good as you claim, you would have noticed that Rich lined up with his helmet nearly toughing the helmet of the center. His first step was so quick, the opposing center or guard most times doubled teamed, could not stop his penetration into the backfield. The center for the 71 sooners was Tom Brahaney, named a consensus all american, played at 6'2 250. Don't you think that today's weight room and training table wouldn't have put 40 to 50 pounds on him or Glover? So your comment about Glover not being able to play due to size is limited in its view once again.

Ameer and Braylon would start over any of the players 10 or 15 yrs ago or longer. You're kidding right. if you don't believe that Mike Rozier, Ahmad Green to name a couple would sit on the bench behind these two , who played 27 and 16 years ago then the use of the internet hasn't done much for you or the sources you're using are faulty. It's obvious that I've ruffled your feathers about your age, and believing anything this senile old man has to say would be heresy.

Genetically, I see no difference between players in the 60's and today, other than better weight training, better nutrition at the training table, earlier start and better coaching to young players, all contribute to today's player, but the talent of today's player does not exceed that of the players of the 60's, 70's, 80's, or the 90's.

Do you honestly believe your own words that players 10 to 15 yrs ago couldn't win a starting spot on today's team?

As to my comment regarding qb stats with a better D. To explain my comment (which I feel like I talking to a child) I was referring to TM not accumulating any stats while the D was on the field, Yes, I agree with your correlation between the O and the D, but If the D gave TM the ball in good field position all the time, his stats would go down wouldn't they???? You point at the stats of past qb's as not being as good as TM's, yet they played on better teams with better D's. Where's your logic????

I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you, to be honest, you aren't worth the time, your still wet behind the ears and believe you know it all. I haven't lived in a cave for the past 63 yrs, my passion is college football as well. The difference is I've lived it live and in person, you on the other hand have to depend on stories and tapes on the internet and truly believe you know. Well kid you don't and that's the end of this back and forth with you. Your's truly Mr. Senile.GBR

[TGHusker]

I have no doubt that TM will start all games next year outside of an injury. My big wish, however, is that Armstrong and/or Straton be placed in real world situations that matter - not clean up duty against St Mary's School fo the Blind. There was zero QB developement this year - outside of Armstrong in practice.

I love how people always act like no one ever gets better in practice. You can only possibly get better during games.

 

Thus, your argument has to be that going against the Blackshirts in practice every day doesn't do anything for you. You have to get some time against the Minnesota's and Idoaho St.'s of the world to get better.

Of course you can get better in practice but nothing beats real game experience - the noice, the hype, the pressure not to turn over the ball, etc. Some people practice great but being on the real stage can affect them. Only practice on the real stage gets them over the real stage jitters.

[RedRedJarvisRedwine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjTQV6CjAPE&feature=youtube_gdata

 

This is how the Taylor Martinez story began! Playing catch in the front yard with his pop!

 

Lost Tmart home video exclusive

[TGHusker]

https://www.youtube....e=youtube_gdata

 

This is how the Taylor Martinez story began! Playing catch in the front yard with his pop!

 

Lost Tmart home video exclusive

 

That explains the throwing motion!!

[skersfan]

I have not read all this, bang on Taylor thread as usual. I will say it matters little to me what trophies he wins or does not win. This is a team sport, not a QB sport. The QB this year was the least of our problems, and most likely will be the least again next year.

 

He has done everything asked by the staff. He starts because he is the best.

 

Is he better than, Frazier, Gill, Crouch or Taylor, not certain. But comparing them is like comparing oranges and apples. If Martinez had the lines and running back teams the others had, and the head coaching ability who knows where he would be on the list. It reminds me of Cory Ross. What would we be saying about them if they played ont the teams the others had.

 

He is a good player, gives everything, works his ass off and we still beat him up every single chance we get. It really gets sickening. Then we have a kid that does not want to face competition, quits the team and how sad it is that he is leaving. A frippen quitter gets treated better than the best player we have on our team. Simply amazing.

[RedRedJarvisRedwine]

I have not read all this, bang on Taylor thread as usual. I will say it matters little to me what trophies he wins or does not win. This is a team sport, not a QB sport. The QB this year was the least of our problems, and most likely will be the least again next year.

 

He has done everything asked by the staff. He starts because he is the best.

 

Is he better than, Frazier, Gill, Crouch or Taylor, not certain. But comparing them is like comparing oranges and apples. If Martinez had the lines and running back teams the others had, and the head coaching ability who knows where he would be on the list. It reminds me of Cory Ross. What would we be saying about them if they played ont the teams the others had.

 

He is a good player, gives everything, works his ass off and we still beat him up every single chance we get. It really gets sickening. Then we have a kid that does not want to face competition, quits the team and how sad it is that he is leaving. A frippen quitter gets treated better than the best player we have on our team. Simply amazing.

I wouldn't call the a Taylor bashing thread. You're comparing the best QBs in our history so it's natural to also discuss the reasons why a certain QB may not be ranked as high in some people's opinion.