MLB 51 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Israel to make helmets for US F-35 fighter Link to comment
Hooked on Huskers Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 SU- families are equal or superior than our F-22/F-35. Amazing maneuverability....the key thing, thrust vectoring engines are light years ahead. BTW, half the cost. Rusky' SU-30MKI (export) older MiG 29: (another company) Link to comment
Army Husker Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Looks like an F-18... Link to comment
MLB 51 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Looks like an F-18... I'd put an F-18 or 22 against it any day. Link to comment
Army Husker Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 This just seems like one of those projects where the designers went over board to impress people and the brass in the military got hard ons over it and nobody ever stopped to ask.....do we really need this? I'm not in the military, but IMO, no. We don't really need this. There is an old cliche about always fighting the last war . . . and to my admittedly untrained eye this looks like a weapon designed to fight a war from decades ago. The future isn't manned aircraft. This is a colossal waste. Over a trillion dollars. Speaking from personal experience here. Not sure if many remember the Comanche helicopter. Billion dollars + wasted and a no-go on the airframe. Now we are finally dropping money on the Echo model Apache helicopter. We, merica and all that, can save so much money upgrading our current fleet while not sacrificing air superiority. Just have to keep the lobbyists out of it................ 1 Link to comment
Hooked on Huskers Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Looks like an F-18... I'd put an F-18 or 22 against it any day. well, Aussie Airpower was just the opposite.....scroll down Hornets vs. Flanker page http://www.ausairpow...vs-Flanker.html the last paragraph... In conclusion, the Flanker in all current variants kinematically outclasses the Super Hornet in all high performance flight regimes. The only near term advantage the latest Super Hornets have over legacy Flanker variants is in the APG-79 AESA and radar signature reduction features, an advantage which will not last long given highly active ongoing Russian development effort in these areas. The supercruising Al-41F engine will further widen the performance gap in favour of the Flanker. What this means is that post 2010 the Super Hornet is uncompetitive against advanced Flankers in BVR combat, as it is now uncompetitive in close combat Link to comment
carlfense Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 SU- families are equal or superior than our F-22/F-35. Amazing maneuverability....the key thing, thrust vectoring engines are light years ahead. Eh? Link to comment
zoogs Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Yeah, that's funny. People say the same about the Eurofighter. Every plane's got its fans. The Flankers are very sexy looking planes though. Link to comment
carlfense Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Yeah, that's funny. People say the same about the Eurofighter. Every plane's got its fans. The Flankers are very sexy looking planes though. Impressive machines . . . and it's probably correct that they're comparable to or slightly more capable than the Super Hornet. But the F-22 is a different animal. Link to comment
ZRod Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Looks like an F-18... I'd put an F-18 or 22 against it any day. well, Aussie Airpower was just the opposite.....scroll down Hornets vs. Flanker page http://www.ausairpow...vs-Flanker.html the last paragraph... In conclusion, the Flanker in all current variants kinematically outclasses the Super Hornet in all high performance flight regimes. The only near term advantage the latest Super Hornets have over legacy Flanker variants is in the APG-79 AESA and radar signature reduction features, an advantage which will not last long given highly active ongoing Russian development effort in these areas. The supercruising Al-41F engine will further widen the performance gap in favour of the Flanker. What this means is that post 2010 the Super Hornet is uncompetitive against advanced Flankers in BVR combat, as it is now uncompetitive in close combat Keep reading and you will find the F-22 is still the bench mark. But the Russians always know how to do it cheaper. Link to comment
MLB 51 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Looks like an F-18... I'd put an F-18 or 22 against it any day. well, Aussie Airpower was just the opposite.....scroll down Hornets vs. Flanker page http://www.ausairpow...vs-Flanker.html the last paragraph... In conclusion, the Flanker in all current variants kinematically outclasses the Super Hornet in all high performance flight regimes. The only near term advantage the latest Super Hornets have over legacy Flanker variants is in the APG-79 AESA and radar signature reduction features, an advantage which will not last long given highly active ongoing Russian development effort in these areas. The supercruising Al-41F engine will further widen the performance gap in favour of the Flanker. What this means is that post 2010 the Super Hornet is uncompetitive against advanced Flankers in BVR combat, as it is now uncompetitive in close combat That has nothing to do with the comparison of the SU v. F-18 or 22. Link to comment
Hooked on Huskers Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I wish Rusky's vector thrust engines and airframes combined with US radars, electronics and avionics gear. Gathered and shared US and Russian engineers for one team and one factory.........you know, peacepipe meetings. I like canard wings (some models i.e. SU-30). Why don't commercial airliners use canard wings? Link to comment
rawhide Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Ya know that F-22 has vectored thrust and supercruise, right?. http://www.lockheedm...pabilities.html Cost/benefit of canards for airliners. Link to comment
Hooked on Huskers Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Ya know that F-22 has vectored thrust and supercruise, right?. http://www.lockheedm...pabilities.html Cost/benefit of canards for airliners. Probably wrong but I think F-22 is restricted nozzle angle ........ up or down only. Russians features a unique rotating nozzles which can provide thrust vector deflection in all directions. The first was MiG29OVT (1991). However Rusky's weak link: gas hog (common knowledge). see vectoring closeup at 1:45 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeiqMn7xb_Y Link to comment
zoogs Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I believe it's right that the F-22 has restricted angle thrust vectoring. It's no slouch, but every design has tradeoffs and the F-22's thing isn't close quarters dogfighting, it's splashing bogeys while being invisible from 20 miles away. Link to comment
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