3rd Party Nomination Thread 2016

[TGHusker]

Ok, we got the dem, we got the repub, now the 3rd party Presidential thread just for grins. It could easily be argued that Ross P cost GHWB the election in 1992 and that Ralph Nader cost Gore the election in 2000. Will there be a spoiler this time around? On the repub side, I could see Trump's ego being large enough to run as a 3rd party after the Repub establishment gangs up on him. I can also see Cruz's misguided self righteous cause persuade him to doing so as well. On the dem side, Sanders, after being squeezed out by the Biden/Hillary wing may consider a run on behalf of his very passionate followers and those causes that are outside of the establishment's approval. Will we have a 3rd party candidate, probably not, but there is always a possibility during an open presidency election.

The 3rd Party candidate that I would support:
The biggest issue facing DC is 'business as usual" - Washington establishment entrenchment which divides and thus we have gridlock - polarization on the extreme sides.
There are two fractions (one per party) that have similar interests but on the surface seem to be far apart politically - they just have different means or ideas on how to get to the end goal. I'm speaking of libertarian leaning republicans and the Warren left leaning branch of the democratic party. While the traditional convention system would never allow a presidential nominee choose a running mate from the other party, this would not be the case wt an independent 3rd party ticket. It would take a real statesman(women) to be a part of such a ticket - to but aside party differences & to act on the common good and the common interest with the purpose of moving the country forward and not just the party.
So wt that in mind, to me a dream 3rd party ticket would be ..

Rand Paul/Elisabeth Warren. Both are articulate, passionate and there are many things they share in common - anti establishment, anti big banks/wall street controlling everything, limited foreign policy and military action, relaxation on personal liberty regulations, etc. Yes, they have some vast differences but yet there are common themes that could create an effective ' coalition' govt - to borrow a parliamentary gov't phrase (which may be a solution to our grid lock but of course that is a constitutional discussion worthy of its own thread if someone wants to start that discussion).
So, I would support a Paul/Warren ticket and even a Warren/Paul ticket. Will it happen ---not in this political climate, should it happen - yes.

Is there a different coalition ticket that you would support? What say you?

[Husker_x]

The biggest chance of a third party candidate is for Donald Trump to feel "not treated fairly," as he put it, which is Trumpspeak for he doesn't win the nomination. I would not blink if this ends up happening.

 

It would be the surest way to elect a Clinton, or a . . . gasp . . . SOCIALIST!

[Whistlebritches]

Everyone, myself included, is assuming that Trump is going to lose the primary....but what if he doesn't? Does a more sane Republican step up and try to run as a moderate option?

[BigRedBuster]

The biggest chance of a third party candidate is for Donald Trump to feel "not treated fairly," as he put it, which is Trumpspeak for he doesn't win the nomination. I would not blink if this ends up happening.

 

It would be the surest way to elect a Clinton, or a . . . gasp . . . SOCIALIST!

No,

 

The surest way for Clinton to get elected would be if Trump stayed a Republican and won the nomination. That would pretty much guarantee any Democrat candidate would win.

 

I would love for a third party candidate to run that is actually viable. The problem is, they tend to be the extremes on both sides. I firmly believe there is a place for a moderate conservative candidate (party) in this country and if one really did run and form a really good campaign with talented people around him/her, I believe they would win easily.

[BigRedBuster]

Everyone, myself included, is assuming that Trump is going to lose the primary....but what if he doesn't? Does a more sane Republican step up and try to run as a moderate option?

God help us all if Trump wins the nomination. But, maybe that is what is needed to get a moderate conservative in a third party.

[Hammerhead]

If Gary Johnson ran again this year I would certainly vote for him, and while all the signs pointed to him running again this year awhile back, I've heard nothing out of his camp suggesting a 2016 campaign is in the works right now.

[Husker_x]

 

The biggest chance of a third party candidate is for Donald Trump to feel "not treated fairly," as he put it, which is Trumpspeak for he doesn't win the nomination. I would not blink if this ends up happening.

 

It would be the surest way to elect a Clinton, or a . . . gasp . . . SOCIALIST!

No,

 

The surest way for Clinton to get elected would be if Trump stayed a Republican and won the nomination. That would pretty much guarantee any Democrat candidate would win.

 

I would love for a third party candidate to run that is actually viable. The problem is, they tend to be the extremes on both sides. I firmly believe there is a place for a moderate conservative candidate (party) in this country and if one really did run and form a really good campaign with talented people around him/her, I believe they would win easily.

 

 

Disagree completely. Trump running third party and siphoning off votes from a candidate like Bush, Walker, or Rubio would be a disaster for the Republican party. There is no situation in politics that is better for one party than to have the other party get outflanked by an ex-whatever they are (in this case Republican).

 

One more reason I'm a Sanders guy is that his top priority––or one of them––is campaign finance reform. I am with you 1000% that it's high time we had viable third-party alternatives. Some of the ideas I've heard Sanders put out there would almost certainly lead to the greatest chance of that happening we're likely to see in our lifetimes.

[Hammerhead]

 

 

The biggest chance of a third party candidate is for Donald Trump to feel "not treated fairly," as he put it, which is Trumpspeak for he doesn't win the nomination. I would not blink if this ends up happening.

 

It would be the surest way to elect a Clinton, or a . . . gasp . . . SOCIALIST!

No,

 

The surest way for Clinton to get elected would be if Trump stayed a Republican and won the nomination. That would pretty much guarantee any Democrat candidate would win.

 

I would love for a third party candidate to run that is actually viable. The problem is, they tend to be the extremes on both sides. I firmly believe there is a place for a moderate conservative candidate (party) in this country and if one really did run and form a really good campaign with talented people around him/her, I believe they would win easily.

 

 

Disagree completely. Trump running third party and siphoning off votes from a candidate like Bush, Walker, or Rubio would be a disaster for the Republican party. There is no situation in politics that is better for one party than to have the other party get outflanked by an ex-whatever they are (in this case Republican).

 

One more reason I'm a Sanders guy is that his top priority––or one of them––is campaign finance reform. I am with you 1000% that it's high time we had viable third-party alternatives. Some of the ideas I've heard Sanders put out there would almost certainly lead to the greatest chance of that happening we're likely to see in our lifetimes.

 

 

I really think Sanders is the most viable option we have right now. What worries me is the aforementioned "Socialism? GASP!" thing that so many people seem to be stuck on.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

The biggest chance of a third party candidate is for Donald Trump to feel "not treated fairly," as he put it, which is Trumpspeak for he doesn't win the nomination. I would not blink if this ends up happening.

 

It would be the surest way to elect a Clinton, or a . . . gasp . . . SOCIALIST!

No,

 

The surest way for Clinton to get elected would be if Trump stayed a Republican and won the nomination. That would pretty much guarantee any Democrat candidate would win.

 

I would love for a third party candidate to run that is actually viable. The problem is, they tend to be the extremes on both sides. I firmly believe there is a place for a moderate conservative candidate (party) in this country and if one really did run and form a really good campaign with talented people around him/her, I believe they would win easily.

 

 

Disagree completely. Trump running third party and siphoning off votes from a candidate like Bush, Walker, or Rubio would be a disaster for the Republican party. There is no situation in politics that is better for one party than to have the other party get outflanked by an ex-whatever they are (in this case Republican).

 

One more reason I'm a Sanders guy is that his top priority––or one of them––is campaign finance reform. I am with you 1000% that it's high time we had viable third-party alternatives. Some of the ideas I've heard Sanders put out there would almost certainly lead to the greatest chance of that happening we're likely to see in our lifetimes.

 

I think as a third party candidate, both of the other candidates would make him look so stupid by the time the general election came around that the number of votes he would siphon off would be minimal.

[Husker_x]

 

 

 

The biggest chance of a third party candidate is for Donald Trump to feel "not treated fairly," as he put it, which is Trumpspeak for he doesn't win the nomination. I would not blink if this ends up happening.

 

It would be the surest way to elect a Clinton, or a . . . gasp . . . SOCIALIST!

No,

 

The surest way for Clinton to get elected would be if Trump stayed a Republican and won the nomination. That would pretty much guarantee any Democrat candidate would win.

 

I would love for a third party candidate to run that is actually viable. The problem is, they tend to be the extremes on both sides. I firmly believe there is a place for a moderate conservative candidate (party) in this country and if one really did run and form a really good campaign with talented people around him/her, I believe they would win easily.

 

 

Disagree completely. Trump running third party and siphoning off votes from a candidate like Bush, Walker, or Rubio would be a disaster for the Republican party. There is no situation in politics that is better for one party than to have the other party get outflanked by an ex-whatever they are (in this case Republican).

 

One more reason I'm a Sanders guy is that his top priority––or one of them––is campaign finance reform. I am with you 1000% that it's high time we had viable third-party alternatives. Some of the ideas I've heard Sanders put out there would almost certainly lead to the greatest chance of that happening we're likely to see in our lifetimes.

 

I think as a third party candidate, both of the other candidates would make him look so stupid by the time the general election came around that the number of votes he would siphon off would be minimal.

 

 

But the base of people who are now causing Trump to surge ahead of every single Republican candidate in a massive field would not be persuaded by logic or reason in the first place. Nor would they probably care what the "establishment" candidate had to say about Trump, because as you'll recall, Trump is the one who's "just telling it like it is" and being attacked by the "liberal media" for it. Also, you don't have to siphon off a lot of votes to be an effective third party insurgent. If you swing the race by 5%, you've effectively sunk the candidate of the party disaffected voters are leaving.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

The biggest chance of a third party candidate is for Donald Trump to feel "not treated fairly," as he put it, which is Trumpspeak for he doesn't win the nomination. I would not blink if this ends up happening.

 

It would be the surest way to elect a Clinton, or a . . . gasp . . . SOCIALIST!

No,

 

The surest way for Clinton to get elected would be if Trump stayed a Republican and won the nomination. That would pretty much guarantee any Democrat candidate would win.

 

I would love for a third party candidate to run that is actually viable. The problem is, they tend to be the extremes on both sides. I firmly believe there is a place for a moderate conservative candidate (party) in this country and if one really did run and form a really good campaign with talented people around him/her, I believe they would win easily.

 

 

Disagree completely. Trump running third party and siphoning off votes from a candidate like Bush, Walker, or Rubio would be a disaster for the Republican party. There is no situation in politics that is better for one party than to have the other party get outflanked by an ex-whatever they are (in this case Republican).

 

One more reason I'm a Sanders guy is that his top priority––or one of them––is campaign finance reform. I am with you 1000% that it's high time we had viable third-party alternatives. Some of the ideas I've heard Sanders put out there would almost certainly lead to the greatest chance of that happening we're likely to see in our lifetimes.

 

I think as a third party candidate, both of the other candidates would make him look so stupid by the time the general election came around that the number of votes he would siphon off would be minimal.

 

 

But the base of people who are now causing Trump to surge ahead of every single Republican candidate in a massive field would not be persuaded by logic or reason in the first place. Nor would they probably care what the "establishment" candidate had to say about Trump, because as you'll recall, Trump is the one who's "just telling it like it is" and being attacked by the "liberal media" for it. Also, you don't have to siphon off a lot of votes to be an effective third party insurgent. If you swing the race by 5%, you've effectively sunk the candidate of the party disaffected voters are leaving.

 

Well, no matter what, if he is the Republican candidate, he will get way more than 5% but no where close to enough to win. That puts Clinton in the office. If he runs as a 3rd party and gets 5% of the Republican votes, then that still leaves one heck of a lot of votes to beat Clinton. The establishment candidate will just have to win by more than 5% more than he/she normally would need to.

 

Like I said, if he is the Republican candidate, there might as well not even be a General election because there is no way in hell he would get the majority.

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Warren/Nader

[TGHusker]

I agree wt a lot of the above. Trump would be a disaster either way - wins the nomination - everyone in the GE will look at the dem or a real 3rd party guy. If he runs as 3rd party - he sinks the repub nominee right out of port.

Best thing repubs can do is give window dressing to some of Trump's ideas and place them in the platform and ask him to be Sec of Commerce or something - in which he would overstep his duties there and be a side show. Of course Trump's ego won't let him be a Sec of anything.

 

Husker X - I haven't followed Sanders much - tell me some of his stronger positions that he is pushing to distance himself from Hilldabeast.
You mentioned campaign finance reform which it is becoming very apparent this election cycle that this is sorely needed.

[HuskerNation1]

 

The biggest chance of a third party candidate is for Donald Trump to feel "not treated fairly," as he put it, which is Trumpspeak for he doesn't win the nomination. I would not blink if this ends up happening.

 

It would be the surest way to elect a Clinton, or a . . . gasp . . . SOCIALIST!

No,

 

The surest way for Clinton to get elected would be if Trump stayed a Republican and won the nomination. That would pretty much guarantee any Democrat candidate would win.

 

I would love for a third party candidate to run that is actually viable. The problem is, they tend to be the extremes on both sides. I firmly believe there is a place for a moderate conservative candidate (party) in this country and if one really did run and form a really good campaign with talented people around him/her, I believe they would win easily.

 

 

I agree with much of what you said, but the way things are going, I am having more doubts on whether Hillary will actually win the Dem nomination with Sanders now tied with her in New Hampshire. She is probably the worst candidate I have seen in years. She won't answer questions directly, is not transparent, is destroying servers and now is under FBI investiation, and when she does try to answer questions or do an interview, she opens up a can of worms like claiming she and Bill were flat broke despite having made millions the year before.

 

Here is my favorite though...when she turns on the Southern accent to show how phony she really is.

 

 

Seriously, regardless if you are for or against Hillary, this video is comical. I just laugh like crazy.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

The biggest chance of a third party candidate is for Donald Trump to feel "not treated fairly," as he put it, which is Trumpspeak for he doesn't win the nomination. I would not blink if this ends up happening.

 

It would be the surest way to elect a Clinton, or a . . . gasp . . . SOCIALIST!

No,

 

The surest way for Clinton to get elected would be if Trump stayed a Republican and won the nomination. That would pretty much guarantee any Democrat candidate would win.

 

I would love for a third party candidate to run that is actually viable. The problem is, they tend to be the extremes on both sides. I firmly believe there is a place for a moderate conservative candidate (party) in this country and if one really did run and form a really good campaign with talented people around him/her, I believe they would win easily.

 

 

I agree with much of what you said, but the way things are going, I am having more doubts on whether Hillary will actually win the Dem nomination with Sanders now tied with her in New Hampshire. She is probably the worst candidate I have seen in years. She won't answer questions directly, is not transparent, is destroying servers and now is under FBI investiation, and when she does try to answer questions or do an interview, she opens up a can of worms like claiming she and Bill were flat broke despite having made millions the year before.

 

Here is my favorite though...when she turns on the Southern accent to show how phony she really is.

 

 

Seriously, regardless if you are for or against Hillary, this video is comical. I just laugh like crazy.

 

She and her husband are one of the fakest couples I think I have ever seen. However, there are one hell of a lot of people in this country that just absolutely worship them. If she doesn't win the nomination, Sanders will have ran one hell of a campaign and he better be willing to withstand some pretty messy mud down the stretch being thrown from these two.