Red_October Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Good thing all the experts here never actually watch the games. Theyd find out how wrong they are. Thats why we watch the games....the eggspurts are always wrong. Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 So seriously......was anything we were led to believe about this staff before the season started truthful? Other than the "nice guy" stuff...... Do you have a tapeworm? A turd in your pocket? Who is "we"? Gerry stated that the defense was simplified Banker addressed that by stating that the D was not going to be all that simple. Now I'll wait for you to show any proof that any member of the staff said that the defense was going to be more simple. http://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Banker-favors-simple-aggressive-scheme-34579005 And there's a lot more where that came from. Quote Link to comment
It'sNotAFakeID Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Question: What constitutes a simple, aggressive defense? Also, if it's simple, won't it be easier for the quarterback to read? Quote Link to comment
Spooky Tooth Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 So seriously......was anything we were led to believe about this staff before the season started truthful? Other than the "nice guy" stuff...... Do you have a tapeworm? A turd in your pocket? Who is "we"? Gerry stated that the defense was simplified Banker addressed that by stating that the D was not going to be all that simple. Now I'll wait for you to show any proof that any member of the staff said that the defense was going to be more simple. http://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Banker-favors-simple-aggressive-scheme-34579005 And there's a lot more where that came from. You're making this too easy for me. Note the bolded above. I carefully avoided saying that Banker said the defensive scheme was going to be simple, so you can cherry-pick your stories all you want to. Banker has said many times that he wanted to D to be simpler and faster. He never said simple. BP's scheme and Banker's scheme differ in so many ways, not the least of which was where the plays were intended to be forced. Back at ya: http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/banker-weighs-in-on-easy-scheme-talk/article_5ccc3932-4436-11e5-8ba4-339018a4509d.html Your turn...... Quote Link to comment
Spooky Tooth Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Question: What constitutes a simple, aggressive defense? Also, if it's simple, won't it be easier for the quarterback to read? Not sure I'm the best to answer this but blanket statements about defenses being either simple or complex are kinda dumb, it seems to me. Some guys like to live off stunts and twists, engaging the D line more while the back two zones play pretty conventional defense. Some guys like to blitz with LBs or a combination of LBs, corners and safeties, leaving the D line to plug holes. BP lived on an active backfield and relatively vanilla D line. Banker seems to like to force offensive plays into the middle and get the LBs and corners engaged more. BP's scheme gave corners support over the top more with safeties, but at the expense of run plays (MELVIN GORDAN SCORES AGAIN!!!!!!). Each philosophy has its own advantages and each its own drawbacks. You have to recruit to your philosophy, which is why it is mostly ignorant to bitch too much in a new staff's first one to three years. They need a chance to get their guys in, and then be judged on the results. Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 So seriously......was anything we were led to believe about this staff before the season started truthful? Other than the "nice guy" stuff...... Do you have a tapeworm? A turd in your pocket? Who is "we"? Gerry stated that the defense was simplified Banker addressed that by stating that the D was not going to be all that simple. Now I'll wait for you to show any proof that any member of the staff said that the defense was going to be more simple. http://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Banker-favors-simple-aggressive-scheme-34579005 And there's a lot more where that came from. You're making this too easy for me. Note the bolded above. I carefully avoided saying that Banker said the defensive scheme was going to be simple, so you can cherry-pick your stories all you want to. Banker has said many times that he wanted to D to be simpler and faster. He never said simple. BP's scheme and Banker's scheme differ in so many ways, not the least of which was where the plays were intended to be forced. Back at ya: http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/banker-weighs-in-on-easy-scheme-talk/article_5ccc3932-4436-11e5-8ba4-339018a4509d.html Your turn...... “And I’d have cohorts of mine say, ‘Hey, how do you guys get away with playing one front and two coverages?’ ” Banker recalled. “And I’d say, ‘Well, I don’t necessarily have an answer for that, but more is not necessarily better sometimes.’ ” http://www.omaha.com/huskers/banker-s-plan-keep-husker-defense-simple-and-fast/article_a5e63ed1-06e0-593b-b7b1-cd4d038a79c8.html Quote Link to comment
Spooky Tooth Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 So seriously......was anything we were led to believe about this staff before the season started truthful? Other than the "nice guy" stuff...... Do you have a tapeworm? A turd in your pocket? Who is "we"? Gerry stated that the defense was simplified Banker addressed that by stating that the D was not going to be all that simple. Now I'll wait for you to show any proof that any member of the staff said that the defense was going to be more simple. http://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Banker-favors-simple-aggressive-scheme-34579005 And there's a lot more where that came from. You're making this too easy for me. Note the bolded above. I carefully avoided saying that Banker said the defensive scheme was going to be simple, so you can cherry-pick your stories all you want to. Banker has said many times that he wanted to D to be simpler and faster. He never said simple. BP's scheme and Banker's scheme differ in so many ways, not the least of which was where the plays were intended to be forced. Back at ya: http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/banker-weighs-in-on-easy-scheme-talk/article_5ccc3932-4436-11e5-8ba4-339018a4509d.html Your turn...... “And I’d have cohorts of mine say, ‘Hey, how do you guys get away with playing one front and two coverages?’ ” Banker recalled. “And I’d say, ‘Well, I don’t necessarily have an answer for that, but more is not necessarily better sometimes.’ ” http://www.omaha.com/huskers/banker-s-plan-keep-husker-defense-simple-and-fast/article_a5e63ed1-06e0-593b-b7b1-cd4d038a79c8.html ''You still have to do your assignment. It's not all free reign,'' he said. ''But it's free reign as far as what you do to get to your assignment, if that makes sense.'' Banker said, ''I hear the players say, `Hey, we're free in the system,' or the system is like being in elementary school or something like that. I don't know whether to take it as a compliment or `you don't know what you're doing.' I'm glad they feel good about it, whatever it is.'' http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/04/02/ap-fbc-nebraska-banker This is really silly. I challenged you to find one quote, anywhere, where Banker or any member of the staff said the D scheme was going to be simple and the best you can do is quotes that don't even address it. So keep posting irrelevant articles that don't address my challenge, and I'll match you with articles that refute you. You know what is really weird? I have had problems with some of the play-calling, almost all of which was offensive. But you have such an irrational agenda against this staff that I refuse to agree with anything you post. You remind me of a psycho girlfriend who can't let go..... 3 Quote Link to comment
Huskers19911 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 247sports isn't the best source for information always. "Gamelan" seriously, a typo online that hasn't been fixed by now? Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 So seriously......was anything we were led to believe about this staff before the season started truthful? Other than the "nice guy" stuff...... Do you have a tapeworm? A turd in your pocket? Who is "we"? Gerry stated that the defense was simplified Banker addressed that by stating that the D was not going to be all that simple. Now I'll wait for you to show any proof that any member of the staff said that the defense was going to be more simple. http://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Banker-favors-simple-aggressive-scheme-34579005 And there's a lot more where that came from. You're making this too easy for me. Note the bolded above. I carefully avoided saying that Banker said the defensive scheme was going to be simple, so you can cherry-pick your stories all you want to. Banker has said many times that he wanted to D to be simpler and faster. He never said simple. BP's scheme and Banker's scheme differ in so many ways, not the least of which was where the plays were intended to be forced. Back at ya: http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/banker-weighs-in-on-easy-scheme-talk/article_5ccc3932-4436-11e5-8ba4-339018a4509d.html Your turn...... “And I’d have cohorts of mine say, ‘Hey, how do you guys get away with playing one front and two coverages?’ ” Banker recalled. “And I’d say, ‘Well, I don’t necessarily have an answer for that, but more is not necessarily better sometimes.’ ” http://www.omaha.com/huskers/banker-s-plan-keep-husker-defense-simple-and-fast/article_a5e63ed1-06e0-593b-b7b1-cd4d038a79c8.html ''You still have to do your assignment. It's not all free reign,'' he said. ''But it's free reign as far as what you do to get to your assignment, if that makes sense.'' Banker said, ''I hear the players say, `Hey, we're free in the system,' or the system is like being in elementary school or something like that. I don't know whether to take it as a compliment or `you don't know what you're doing.' I'm glad they feel good about it, whatever it is.'' http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/04/02/ap-fbc-nebraska-banker This is really silly. I challenged you to find one quote, anywhere, where Banker or any member of the staff said the D scheme was going to be simple and the best you can do is quotes that don't even address it. So keep posting irrelevant articles that don't address my challenge, and I'll match you with articles that refute you. You know what is really weird? I have had problems with some of the play-calling, almost all of which was offensive. But you have such an irrational agenda against this staff that I refuse to agree with anything you post. You remind me of a psycho girlfriend who can't let go..... You don't think the quote I posted shows Banker claiming his defense is simple? He's bragging about only having one front and two coverages. But keep moving the goalposts if it makes you feel better. Quote Link to comment
QMany Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Wasn't it Banderas' own comments that started this: If former coach Bo Pelini’s scheme was more “paralysis by analysis,” linebacker Josh Banderas said in that press conference, then Banker’s system allowed instincts to flow freely. Banderas even compared Banker’s scheme to “being back in high school.” http://www.omaha.com/huskers/banker-s-scheme-makes-life-easier-for-husker-front-seven/article_ff19c577-9593-5f7b-944c-938cdd918362.html 3 Quote Link to comment
Spooky Tooth Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 So seriously......was anything we were led to believe about this staff before the season started truthful? Other than the "nice guy" stuff...... Do you have a tapeworm? A turd in your pocket? Who is "we"? Gerry stated that the defense was simplified Banker addressed that by stating that the D was not going to be all that simple. Now I'll wait for you to show any proof that any member of the staff said that the defense was going to be more simple. http://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Banker-favors-simple-aggressive-scheme-34579005 And there's a lot more where that came from. You're making this too easy for me. Note the bolded above. I carefully avoided saying that Banker said the defensive scheme was going to be simple, so you can cherry-pick your stories all you want to. Banker has said many times that he wanted to D to be simpler and faster. He never said simple. BP's scheme and Banker's scheme differ in so many ways, not the least of which was where the plays were intended to be forced. Back at ya: http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/banker-weighs-in-on-easy-scheme-talk/article_5ccc3932-4436-11e5-8ba4-339018a4509d.html Your turn...... “And I’d have cohorts of mine say, ‘Hey, how do you guys get away with playing one front and two coverages?’ ” Banker recalled. “And I’d say, ‘Well, I don’t necessarily have an answer for that, but more is not necessarily better sometimes.’ ” http://www.omaha.com/huskers/banker-s-plan-keep-husker-defense-simple-and-fast/article_a5e63ed1-06e0-593b-b7b1-cd4d038a79c8.html ''You still have to do your assignment. It's not all free reign,'' he said. ''But it's free reign as far as what you do to get to your assignment, if that makes sense.'' Banker said, ''I hear the players say, `Hey, we're free in the system,' or the system is like being in elementary school or something like that. I don't know whether to take it as a compliment or `you don't know what you're doing.' I'm glad they feel good about it, whatever it is.'' http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/04/02/ap-fbc-nebraska-banker This is really silly. I challenged you to find one quote, anywhere, where Banker or any member of the staff said the D scheme was going to be simple and the best you can do is quotes that don't even address it. So keep posting irrelevant articles that don't address my challenge, and I'll match you with articles that refute you. You know what is really weird? I have had problems with some of the play-calling, almost all of which was offensive. But you have such an irrational agenda against this staff that I refuse to agree with anything you post. You remind me of a psycho girlfriend who can't let go..... You don't think the quote I posted shows Banker claiming his defense is simple? He's bragging about only having one front and two coverages. But keep moving the goalposts if it makes you feel better. Not sure how to move goal posts so I'll ask an expert: GBRedneck, how do you move goalposts? Oh, let the record show that you STILL haven't come up with a source stating that Banker or any member of the staff said the scheme was going to be simple>>>>>>>>>that goalpost hasn't budged. Your turn. Quote Link to comment
Spooky Tooth Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Wasn't it Banderas' own comments that started this: If former coach Bo Pelini’s scheme was more “paralysis by analysis,” linebacker Josh Banderas said in that press conference, then Banker’s system allowed instincts to flow freely. Banderas even compared Banker’s scheme to “being back in high school.” http://www.omaha.com/huskers/banker-s-scheme-makes-life-easier-for-husker-front-seven/article_ff19c577-9593-5f7b-944c-938cdd918362.html If only Banker had said that....... Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 So seriously......was anything we were led to believe about this staff before the season started truthful? Other than the "nice guy" stuff...... Do you have a tapeworm? A turd in your pocket? Who is "we"? Gerry stated that the defense was simplified Banker addressed that by stating that the D was not going to be all that simple. Now I'll wait for you to show any proof that any member of the staff said that the defense was going to be more simple. http://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Banker-favors-simple-aggressive-scheme-34579005 And there's a lot more where that came from. You're making this too easy for me. Note the bolded above. I carefully avoided saying that Banker said the defensive scheme was going to be simple, so you can cherry-pick your stories all you want to. Banker has said many times that he wanted to D to be simpler and faster. He never said simple. BP's scheme and Banker's scheme differ in so many ways, not the least of which was where the plays were intended to be forced. Back at ya: http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/banker-weighs-in-on-easy-scheme-talk/article_5ccc3932-4436-11e5-8ba4-339018a4509d.html Your turn...... “And I’d have cohorts of mine say, ‘Hey, how do you guys get away with playing one front and two coverages?’ ” Banker recalled. “And I’d say, ‘Well, I don’t necessarily have an answer for that, but more is not necessarily better sometimes.’ ” http://www.omaha.com/huskers/banker-s-plan-keep-husker-defense-simple-and-fast/article_a5e63ed1-06e0-593b-b7b1-cd4d038a79c8.html ''You still have to do your assignment. It's not all free reign,'' he said. ''But it's free reign as far as what you do to get to your assignment, if that makes sense.'' Banker said, ''I hear the players say, `Hey, we're free in the system,' or the system is like being in elementary school or something like that. I don't know whether to take it as a compliment or `you don't know what you're doing.' I'm glad they feel good about it, whatever it is.'' http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/04/02/ap-fbc-nebraska-banker This is really silly. I challenged you to find one quote, anywhere, where Banker or any member of the staff said the D scheme was going to be simple and the best you can do is quotes that don't even address it. So keep posting irrelevant articles that don't address my challenge, and I'll match you with articles that refute you. You know what is really weird? I have had problems with some of the play-calling, almost all of which was offensive. But you have such an irrational agenda against this staff that I refuse to agree with anything you post. You remind me of a psycho girlfriend who can't let go..... You don't think the quote I posted shows Banker claiming his defense is simple? He's bragging about only having one front and two coverages. But keep moving the goalposts if it makes you feel better. Not sure how to move goal posts so I'll ask an expert: GBRedneck, how do you move goalposts? Oh, let the record show that you STILL haven't come up with a source stating that Banker or any member of the staff said the scheme was going to be simple>>>>>>>>>that goalpost hasn't budged. Your turn. So you're looking for an exact quote of "the scheme was going to be simple"? The quote I just gave had Banker bragging about his 1 front-2 coverages defense. He was touting the simplicity. You're moving the goalposts. Also, from January on, the media line was "Banker to simplify the D". Banker did nothing to dispute that, in fact he seemed quite proud of it. Until Banderas made the "high school" comment. Then he went into damage control. Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I seem to remember Banker come out pre-season some time and tell the media that the defense they will be running is not as simple as what was being said.I was going to mention this. I thought a lot of the simplicity notion came from Gerry's comments at B1G media days. Posters on here ran with it and speculated that there should be improvement since the players could do less thinking and fly to the ball. I don't recall the coaches characterizing it as simple. What???? Posters on here took a comment and created an entire reality based off of that? Noooooo....... And then they got mad at the coaches and players because of their own self-made reality? Quote Link to comment
Spooky Tooth Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 So seriously......was anything we were led to believe about this staff before the season started truthful? Other than the "nice guy" stuff...... Do you have a tapeworm? A turd in your pocket? Who is "we"? Gerry stated that the defense was simplified Banker addressed that by stating that the D was not going to be all that simple. Now I'll wait for you to show any proof that any member of the staff said that the defense was going to be more simple. http://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Banker-favors-simple-aggressive-scheme-34579005 And there's a lot more where that came from. You're making this too easy for me. Note the bolded above. I carefully avoided saying that Banker said the defensive scheme was going to be simple, so you can cherry-pick your stories all you want to. Banker has said many times that he wanted to D to be simpler and faster. He never said simple. BP's scheme and Banker's scheme differ in so many ways, not the least of which was where the plays were intended to be forced. Back at ya: http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/banker-weighs-in-on-easy-scheme-talk/article_5ccc3932-4436-11e5-8ba4-339018a4509d.html Your turn...... “And I’d have cohorts of mine say, ‘Hey, how do you guys get away with playing one front and two coverages?’ ” Banker recalled. “And I’d say, ‘Well, I don’t necessarily have an answer for that, but more is not necessarily better sometimes.’ ” http://www.omaha.com/huskers/banker-s-plan-keep-husker-defense-simple-and-fast/article_a5e63ed1-06e0-593b-b7b1-cd4d038a79c8.html ''You still have to do your assignment. It's not all free reign,'' he said. ''But it's free reign as far as what you do to get to your assignment, if that makes sense.'' Banker said, ''I hear the players say, `Hey, we're free in the system,' or the system is like being in elementary school or something like that. I don't know whether to take it as a compliment or `you don't know what you're doing.' I'm glad they feel good about it, whatever it is.'' http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/04/02/ap-fbc-nebraska-banker This is really silly. I challenged you to find one quote, anywhere, where Banker or any member of the staff said the D scheme was going to be simple and the best you can do is quotes that don't even address it. So keep posting irrelevant articles that don't address my challenge, and I'll match you with articles that refute you. You know what is really weird? I have had problems with some of the play-calling, almost all of which was offensive. But you have such an irrational agenda against this staff that I refuse to agree with anything you post. You remind me of a psycho girlfriend who can't let go..... You don't think the quote I posted shows Banker claiming his defense is simple? He's bragging about only having one front and two coverages. But keep moving the goalposts if it makes you feel better. Not sure how to move goal posts so I'll ask an expert: GBRedneck, how do you move goalposts? Oh, let the record show that you STILL haven't come up with a source stating that Banker or any member of the staff said the scheme was going to be simple>>>>>>>>>that goalpost hasn't budged. Your turn. So you're looking for an exact quote of "the scheme was going to be simple"? The quote I just gave had Banker bragging about his 1 front-2 coverages defense. He was touting the simplicity. You're moving the goalposts. Also, from January on, the media line was "Banker to simplify the D". Banker did nothing to dispute that, in fact he seemed quite proud of it. Until Banderas made the "high school" comment. Then he went into damage control. And now everyone sees you exposed. Every single post I asked you to provide a source where Banker or any member of the staff said the scheme was going to be simple. Every. Single. Post. No one, least of all me, disputed that Banker wanted to simplify the defense from BP's paralysis-by-analysis. What got me started in this sorry ass chain of exchanges with you was the assertion that Banker said it was going to be simple. THAT WAS NEVER SAID BY BANKER. By Bando, yes. By Gerry, yes, By Collins and Valentine, yes. Banker or the staff, no. But you knew that. I cited sources where Banker responded to the players by saying that it wasn't as simple as they thought. You knew that all along, which is why after three demands by me to cite your source you always dodged it, moved the goalposts, so to speak. I could have just ended this a while back and stopped responding to your trolling, something you have been called out for on this board previously. Maybe I should have. For sure I'm done with you for now because you're boring me. But understand this, the next time you troll, me or someone else is going to call you out, not necessarily because I disagree with some point you're making, but because your agenda has no reason, no balance and no place on a board for fans of Nebraska sports. 1 Quote Link to comment
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