School Choice/Vouchers (split from '7 point Drain the Swamp')

[Sargon]

 

 

Everyone has the right to send their child to any type of school they choose. The idea that paying for non-public school is any type of a tax break not only widens the education gap between have & have-nots but officially punishes those without financial means to pay for school directly. Taking money away from public to pay for the credit further punishes public schools.

 

 

Non-democrats, like me, want OUR MONEY (taxes) spent educating OUR KIDS on schools WE CHOOSE. Bad schools will lose students, and the funding per student, as they should. It's called competition. The worst schools admins and teachers will find themselves out of game, eventually, which is where they belong.

 

Choice! It's a right!!!

Choice! Choice!

 

Now to to OP....sounds great. If he can get half of it passed it will provide for major improvements. Old Mitch Mc appears to be quite opposed to not being able to stay in the Senate until he dies. Hopefully he loses that fight (term limits not life/death fight ha I don't want him dead just want him out of government).

[teachercd]

That's what I was going to say. From what I am hearing within the CDE, it is basically a national school voucher act as of right now.

 

Everyone has the right to send their child to any type of school they choose. The idea that paying for non-public school is any type of a tax break not only widens the education gap between have & have-nots but officially punishes those without financial means to pay for school directly. Taking money away from public to pay for the credit further punishes public schools.

 

Affordable childcare & eldercare fall into a similar category but we'll have to wait and see how bad those are.

 

Will be interesting to see how the tax code is simplified if we are adding deductions for those that already have some level financial means.

I know public schools hate charter schools. There doesn't seem to be as much of the hate towards private schools from what I can tell but that might just be what I think/feel.

[knapplc]

 

Everyone has the right to send their child to any type of school they choose. The idea that paying for non-public school is any type of a tax break not only widens the education gap between have & have-nots but officially punishes those without financial means to pay for school directly. Taking money away from public to pay for the credit further punishes public schools.

Non-democrats, like me, want OUR MONEY (taxes) spent educating OUR KIDS on schools WE CHOOSE. Bad schools will lose students, and the funding per student, as they should. It's called competition. The worst schools admins and teachers will find themselves out of game, eventually, which is where they belong.

 

Choice! It's a right!!!

Choice! Choice!

 

Now to to OP....sounds great. If he can get half of it passed it will provide for major improvements. Old Mitch Mc appears to be quite opposed to not being able to stay in the Senate until he dies. Hopefully he loses that fight (term limits not life/death fight ha I don't want him dead just want him out of government).

 

So you advocate getting rid of all forms of socialism, like taxes and Medicaid/Medicare, right?

[ColoNoCoHusker]

 

That's what I was going to say. From what I am hearing within the CDE, it is basically a national school voucher act as of right now.

 

Everyone has the right to send their child to any type of school they choose. The idea that paying for non-public school is any type of a tax break not only widens the education gap between have & have-nots but officially punishes those without financial means to pay for school directly. Taking money away from public to pay for the credit further punishes public schools.

 

Affordable childcare & eldercare fall into a similar category but we'll have to wait and see how bad those are.

 

Will be interesting to see how the tax code is simplified if we are adding deductions for those that already have some level financial means.

I know public schools hate charter schools. There doesn't seem to be as much of the hate towards private schools from what I can tell but that might just be what I think/feel.

 

 

I don't think there is hate but in Colorado, there has been a school voucher push for 20 years or so now. It's been an active fight for awhile as with some other states.

[zoogs]

Non-democrats, like me, want OUR MONEY (taxes) spent educating OUR KIDS on schools WE CHOOSE. Bad schools will lose students, and the funding per student, as they should. It's called competition.

Question here, as I'm not versed in this particular issue at all. So I can only go off your description.

 

When a school fails in this competitive utopia market, loses its funds and goes under -- what happens to the students there?

 

Is that where they will belong? Are you sure that will never be your kids? How would you prevent it?

[teachercd]

 

 

 

Everyone has the right to send their child to any type of school they choose. The idea that paying for non-public school is any type of a tax break not only widens the education gap between have & have-nots but officially punishes those without financial means to pay for school directly. Taking money away from public to pay for the credit further punishes public schools.

 

 

Non-democrats, like me, want OUR MONEY (taxes) spent educating OUR KIDS on schools WE CHOOSE. Bad schools will lose students, and the funding per student, as they should. It's called competition. The worst schools admins and teachers will find themselves out of game, eventually, which is where they belong.

 

Choice! It's a right!!!

Choice! Choice!

 

Now to to OP....sounds great. If he can get half of it passed it will provide for major improvements. Old Mitch Mc appears to be quite opposed to not being able to stay in the Senate until he dies. Hopefully he loses that fight (term limits not life/death fight ha I don't want him dead just want him out of government).

 

 

I actually like the way you look at that. Schools are stagnant, I think we all know that. Teachers are handcuffed because of stupid rules and idiotic parents that are fighting the wrong things.

 

Competition for a spot at a certain school (even in your district) is a very interesting idea, very interesting.

 

Now, one thing that NEEDS to happen is that class sizes need to be smaller. I have about 30-32 in a class, I am a super boss of a teacher though, for most teachers that is a crazy high number.

 

Class sizes should be capped at 16 so that teachers can...wait for it...teach.

[ColoNoCoHusker]

 

 

Everyone has the right to send their child to any type of school they choose. The idea that paying for non-public school is any type of a tax break not only widens the education gap between have & have-nots but officially punishes those without financial means to pay for school directly. Taking money away from public to pay for the credit further punishes public schools.

Non-democrats, like me, want OUR MONEY (taxes) spent educating OUR KIDS on schools WE CHOOSE. Bad schools will lose students, and the funding per student, as they should. It's called competition. The worst schools admins and teachers will find themselves out of game, eventually, which is where they belong.

 

Choice! It's a right!!!

Choice! Choice!

 

Now to to OP....sounds great. If he can get half of it passed it will provide for major improvements. Old Mitch Mc appears to be quite opposed to not being able to stay in the Senate until he dies. Hopefully he loses that fight (term limits not life/death fight ha I don't want him dead just want him out of government).

 

So you advocate getting rid of all forms of socialism, like taxes and Medicaid/Medicare, right?

 

 

It's one thing to reform the tax/funding structure. It's another thing to say a tax has to be spent on you directly. How about we refund all taxes that finance schools for those that do not have children? How about we remove the gas tax and make every road a tollway? That way, only the people that use the road bear the cost for it.

 

As Knap suggested, there is a huge part of the social good in these types programs. Areas adjacent to the worst-performing schools typically have higher crime rates. Part of that around Denver is young people skipping school but have nothing to do. Apparently, availability of time couplde with lack of financial means has a negative impact on crime rate...

[Sargon]

No knapplc, I don't advocate anything that I didn't stay. Pay attention.

[Moiraine]

The idea of charter schools scares the sh#t out of me.

[teachercd]

 

Non-democrats, like me, want OUR MONEY (taxes) spent educating OUR KIDS on schools WE CHOOSE. Bad schools will lose students, and the funding per student, as they should. It's called competition.

Question here, as I'm not versed in this particular issue at all. So I can only go off your description.

 

When a school fails in this competitive utopia market, loses its funds and goes under -- what happens to the students there?

 

Is that where they will belong? Are you sure that will never be your kids? How would you prevent it?

 

In a competitive utopia market they would not fail.

 

But with that said...if you have ever seen what "bad" schools are like it would almost make more sense to home school if that was an option. With it also being based on competition it would, in theory, mean that more schools would open to replace the bad ones...in theory.

[knapplc]

No knapplc, I don't advocate anything that I didn't stay. Pay attention.

So not all forms of socialism are bad. And you don't want choice in everything, just in some things.

 

Just trying to understand the demand for choice.

[teachercd]

The idea of charter schools scares the sh#t out of me.

Really, why is that?

 

My friend is currently opening one in California.

[zoogs]

In a competitive utopia market they would not fail.

Explain this mechanism; it is mysterious to me.

[Sargon]

There is no purpose in government in schools whatsoever. Running a school is simple and the demand is everywhere and growing. Forced monopoly k-12 is idiotic and a majority of taxpayers know it and want it ended. Trump and Pence are committed to reform. Democrats are opposed. Fight is raging. Hope the democrats lose it. I've been paying private schools bills for over a decade btw. Kid's school operates at below 50% of nat'l average $/kid and score 94 percentile on standardized testing.

[teachercd]

 

In a competitive utopia market they would not fail.

Explain this mechanism; it is mysterious to me.

 

Well, in utopia things are supposed to be "perfect" so nothing would fail. It would be dreamland, imaginary or paradise. Dogs and cats would be best friends. Republicans and Democrats would eat lunch together

 

At least, that is what I think of when I think of my utopia.