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No, I don't know who that is (I mean, I do now because I googled but up until now)...he doesn't seem like someone who would interest me. I would imagine the actual fascists that showed up to this cloaked themselves in a respectable Catholic and reasonably patriotic image. To the average conservative Pole those are attractive ideas and they might show up to something they put on. Why is Patriotism and ultra-Nationalism in vogue in Poland? Because they haven't really had their own country in almost 200 years. Imperial powers, Fascists and Communists have all tried to suppress or eliminate the Polish identity and people so, understandably, they're pretty proud and happy that they have a country again. The Fascists tried to eliminate them as a people and the Communists tried to destroy their religion so naturally they gravitate to those things. A better question is why there are fascists in Poland at all? Or Ukraine, or the Baltic states?....how large are they, what are their goals and motivation, etc? I would say that actual Nazi-style fascist groups in those countries are small. They're mostly young, un-and-underemployed/educated men in underdeveloped regions who are frustrated. There is prosperity and growth in those countries, and much like Brexit and Trump voters, they feel left behind because they aren't getting a part of it. When you already don't have a chair at the table the idea of welcoming more people in to the dining room isn't exactly appealing thus the anti-migrant position. They see the EU as trying to force migration and other liberal policies on their governments and also see the Russian government trying to extend influence in their former satellites. So these are patriotic, religious, conservative, euro-skeptical and anti-Russian young men who want change so they can get at the table, they also don't want migrants who in this particular case are a different ethnicity and religion than them. It's quite easy to see how they slide in to Nazi or Fascist groups because the ideology checks most of the boxes, remove the anti-slav bits from Nazi thought and it becomes an almost perfect act of rebellion for them, a giant middle finger to the the ideas and people they don't like. These people, the actual fascists, are not in power and don't wield any real influence. Just like anarchists with liberal movements they hijack conservative rallies or marches and bait-and-switch people that lean their direction. Their number is over exaggerated by media on either side of them for their own purposes. Liberals in the EU and America love to play them up and brand all conservatives in Central/Eastern Europe as Nazis for a variety of reasons, partly because I don't think they are knowledgeable enough to tell the difference. "We want God" is not a Nazi or Fascist chant and the Home Army Anchor symbol and armband is not a Nazi device, but to a liberal who wants to see Nazis everywhere they fit the bill. They also want to feel like crusaders against some Nazi monstrosity because it makes them feel better and it's to easier win moderate voters if you paint all conservatives as Nazis. The Russians also have an interest in labeling Ukrainian and Polish nationalists/conservatives as Nazis because it makes the war in Donbas and some of their subversive acts in Eastern Europe more palatable at home and abroad. They're doing the exact same thing in Syria. Every airstrike they conduct is against ISIS and Al Qaeda no matter who they actually hit because they can sell that better. Nazis and Fascists are not in power anywhere or even close to it. Those are the people I consider to be far-right. I do not consider euro-skeptics, nationalists, or anti-immigration parties to be far-right. Those are reasonable political positions that reasonable people can hold, definitely right-wing but "far-right" carries a fascist connotation because it so often used to describe those groups. I think we probably differ on our definition of far-right. I absolutely condemn Nazis and Fascists and do not support them but I do support Poles and other eastern Europeans who want to build up their countries and their people how they see fit. If they don't want migrants or to subordinate themselves to Brussels that's their decision and we should respect it. We owe them that much after leaving World War Two only half fought. Waving a flag, chanting a nationalist or religious slogan, and not wanting migrants does not make a person a fascist. I've yet to see a photo or video of Nazi or fascist acts/symbolism from today's events in Poland. I'm sure they exist because we know that those people were out there but if there were really 60,000 of them or even 1000 of them we'd see a lot more of them.

So we had a lively but civil discussion in a status update about this article but it's probably more appropriate for this forum. I don't like to talk politics but I did enjoy the discussion and the topic is worth exploring if anyone cared to continue on it. Potential areas of discussion: - Far-right politics in Europe, especially Eastern Europe - Polish History - The state of Polish politics today - Polish-American/EU/Russian relations - Nazis and Fascists, specifically in Poland or more broadly the region and Europe - Whether or not this was a fascist parade or to what extent it was a fascist parade - What, if anything, we should do about all of it

Which is crazy when you think about it. Richt struggles (stuggles-ish, they were still good years) at UGA and leaves. 2 years later both Miami and UGA are top 10 teams. I'm not sure we've ever seen something like that.

I grew up about 45 minutes down the highway from Tony and 10 years after Leonhard. He's still very plugged in to the Northwoods area despite being far from Madison and I don't see him leaving anytime soon. I see him evolving in to a coach-in-waiting, the only way he leaves is if there's some kind of falling out between coaches . He's not the type that would leave for money.

lol, Jim Leonhard is from Tony WI, he walked on to UW and had a great career. You're not going to be able to poach him.

Hornibrook threw four TDs today! But I'm pretty happy with our Defense:

He didn't really turn it on at Stanford until his fourth year and it's not like the wheels have completely fallen off in Ann Arbor. He lost a close game to a scrappy rival in MSU and got blown out on the road against a very good Penn State team that Franklin has been building up for four years....and Franklin had issues his first 2 1/2 years as well. Anyone with some sense could tell they were going to take a step back this year with all of the talent they lost and the injuries they've now sustained. They'd be stupid to fire him and get back in the Tennessee-lost-in-the-wilderness style cycle that they just exited. We have a broader problem in the Big Ten with how horribly unbalanced our divisions are. The East has three, maybe four, elitish coaches and three blue chip programs. One of them has to finish fourth every year and I would hate to see a school bail on their coach over it. Our issue is that unlike the SEC or even the PAC 12 our divisional imbalance isn't going to be cyclical. The SEC East won 7 of the first 9 SEC CGs but hasn't won in the last 10 years...that kind of shift isn't going to happen with us. Nebraska is the West's one traditionally elite program and may come back, then you have what, NU and Wisconsin? Maybe a strong Iowa team from year to year? That's never going to match the East. We either need to raid the Big XII again and add Oklahoma and one of KU/KSU/ISU or some how redraw our divisions yet again. I do NOT want to add OU as it would dilute the character of the conference even more...it's bad enough we have Rutgers and Maryland which in retrospect seem like especially stupid additions with the rise of streaming services and death of traditional cable that made them attractive in the first place. My dream would be to drop MD and Rutgers and add ND and Mizzou or KU/KSU but that will never happen for a million reasons, the time for that was six years ago. I hated leaders and legends but I'm not sure East/West is all that better. I miss Wisconsin's budding rivalry with Michigan State and playing Ohio State somewhat frequently.

I feel like the implication here is that Purdue is some terrible team and if they can do it why can't Nebraska...but that isn't really fair to Purdue. Purdue hung with Michigan and Louisville late into the 4Q and went on the road to an SEC team and beat them by 30+ points, Mizzou is really bad this year but still - they beat them like a good team should beat a bad team and in a fashion we haven't really seen out of Purdue in a while. They typically get a couple great years each decade and will continue to improve as long as Brohm stays. They're not always the garbage team that Nebraska fans have seen since you joined the conference. Everyone is going to have to be wary of them going forward. ...but to explain the game, UW turned the ball over three times and it killed us but if you look at the box score, outside of that, we completely dominated the game. College Football is a game played by immature young (barely) men...we like to break it down and make pretty predictions that try to account for everything but if a kid isn't feeling it one day for whatever reason everything can go haywire. That's how we get weekends like this one. It happens to everyone, even Alabama. The transitive property doesn't apply to teams so I wouldn't get hung up on it, if you do you'll end up with the idea that Iowa is going to beat you by 60 points because they beat ISU by 3, who beat OU by 7, who beat OSU by 15, who beat you by 42.

I think we are all qualified to answer that no, the freedom trophy sucks.

Just checked the stats and you're correct, my memory is off. I'm not sure what the point of nit-picking is. You want to argue Alabama is following Nebraska's model? Ok but that's not feasible, nobody in the Big Ten is ever gong to recruit the way a big SEC school in the deep south will recruit. Nebraska is not one coach away from being Clemson, Bama, or Florida State...it's about 900 miles away. It's a pointless route to go down. I want Nebraska to do well in the future because it's good for the conference and our division. To do that I think you need to develop a model similar to what Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State use.

A mixture of systems with Hurts as a very serious rushing threat which is what most of the National Championship teams in the last 10ish years have won using...Florida with Tebow, Auburn with Newton, FSU with Winston, Clemson with Watson. But I get what you're saying, Alabama these last two years has departed from their typical system which, at first glance might appear similar to the modern-day-Wisconsin/Old-Nebraska model, but I would argue that it isn't. They aren't a walk-on, development oriented program. Wisconsin will never in a million years get the type of recruits Alabama gets simply because of geography and demographics. I think Nebraska is in the same boat despite what some on here are saying. The top talent in the country right now is in the southeast and barring some weird population shift it's going to stay there for a while....those kids are going to ACC/SEC schools first, then a couple big programs outside of those like Michigan/OSU/PSU. These kids were born in 2000, they don't remember the 90s, they also are going to want to live almost anywhere other than the central high plains. I realized a while ago watching Dayne/Hill/White/Ball/insert-UW-RB-here highlights that those are really Offensive Line highlight reels. You could take any 3* RB and semi-intelligent QB, put them behind a typical UW OL and poop out 8 wins. I don't get that feeling with Alabama, maybe because the talent is more evenly distributed across their team.

I don't know how to embed tweets but I thought this was hilarious https://twitter.com/DevinKCBD/status/916750484681216000 EDIT: I'm learning sort of

Ignore, thought I was posting in a different thread

Well there's one coach I can think of that knows how to do that, has a proven record of winning in the Big Ten, has cost Wisconsin many big games, and will more than likely be on the market this offseason (almost definitely by the next offseason): Bert Bielema Hiring him would kick this "rivalry" of ours up a few notches. I don't hate you guys. I respect the way you used to play ball and the influence it's had on teams like us, Michigan State, Stanford, etc...and I think you're generally cool people, but if you got Bert I'd root for you to lose every single game. Someone else said it on here and I definitely agree with them...the model you're talking about doesn't win National Championships, it can get you 10-11 wins in a good year, a conference championship here and there, but it isn't the greatest. Someone else said something like "can you imagine what Nebraska would look like if they had Wisconsin's O-Line and a mobile QB" and I think that's the key and why we've never gotten over the hump. The closest we had was Wilson in 2011 and while it was magical it just never panned out. I was alive for your NC runs in the 90s but not paying attention, didn't you also win those with speed and somewhat mobile QBs? So kind of a break or variation from that model? Anyhow...This Wisconsin team is good but I am worried about Michigan and don't see us winning the CCG unless we show some improvements on defense.

I really don't like Baker Mayfield so it was nice to see this. Hopefully he's learned some humility. I hate Ohio State as much as anyone but I thought planting the OU flag at midfield was classless.

I hate the trophy. It's corny and generic. There is nothing unique about it, any two schools could have it. I wish they'd used the same concept and had like one head but each side gets a face, one for Barry Alvarez and one for Bob Devaney and somehow make it red tinted. Or better yet make it a three headed bust with Devaney, Alvarez, and Hayden Fry. If one team (Iowa/Wisconsin/Nebraska) beats the other two in a year they get the trophy.

HISTORY All Time Head to Head: Wisconsin leads 7-4 Trophy: The Freedom Trophy Previous Matchups: 11/2/1901: Nebraska 0, Wisconsin 18 - Milwaukee, WI 10/9/1965: Nebraska 37, Wisconsin 0 - Lincoln, NE 10/8/1966: Nebraska 31, Wisconsin 3 - Madison, WI 9/29/1973: Nebraska 20, Wisconsin 16 - Lincoln, NE 9/21/1974: Nebraska 20, Wisconsin 21 - Madison, WI 10/1/2011: Nebraska 17, Wisconsin 48 - Madison, WI 9/29/2012: Nebraska 30, Wisconsin 27 - Lincoln, NE 12/1/2012: Nebraska 31, Wisconsin 70 - Indianapolis, IN 11/15/2014: Nebraska 24, Wisconsin 59 - Madison, WI 10/10/2015: Nebraska 21, Wisconsin 23 - Lincoln, NE 10/26/2016: Nebraska 17, Wisconsin 23 - Overtime, Madison, WI COACHES Paul Chryst: Born in Madison, WI, native of Platteville, WI. Played QB at Wisconsin '86-88. Previous jobs of note: Oregon State OC/QB 1997-1998, San Diego Chargers TE 1999-2001, Wisconsin TE coach 2002, Oregon State OC/QB 2003-2004, Wisconsin co-OC/TE 2005, Wisconsin OC/QB 2006-2011, Pittsburgh HC 2012-2014. Overall Record: 44-25 At Wisconsin: 25-6 Record against unranked while ranked: 16-4 Record against uranked while ranked in top 10: 11-0 Mike Riley: Born in Wallace, ID, native of Corvallis, OR. Previous jobs of note: Oregon State HC 1997-1998, San Diego Chargers HC 1999-2001, Oregon State HC 2003-2014 Overall Record: 111-93 At Nebraska: 18-13 Record against Ranked: 18-46 (2-3 at NU) Record against Top 10: 7-23 (1-1 at NU) STATS OFFENSE: Total yards: Wisconsin 1839 (#62), Nebraska 1925 (#54) --- Throw this out, NU has played one more game YPG: Wisconsin 460 (#35), Nebraska 385 (#87) PPG: Wisconsin 40.8 (#22), Nebraska 30 (#65) Rushing yards per game: Wisconsin 233.8 (#23), Nebraska 156.2 (#73) Passing yards per game: Wisconsin 226 (#71), Nebraska 228 (#66) Sacks allowed: Wisconsin 6 (#33), Nebraska 8 (#54) Interceptions thrown: Wisconsin 3 (#43), Nebraska 9 (#126) Completion percentage: Wisconsin 66.3% (#17), Nebraska 54.7 (#98) DEFENSE: Total yards allowed: Wisconsin 988 (#4), Nebraska 1669 (#59) --- Throw this out, NU has played one more game YPG: Wisconsin 247 (#4), Nebraska 334 (#34) PPG: Wisconsin 13.5 (#8), Nebraska 24.4 (#54) Rushing yards allowed per game: Wisconsin 74.3 (#4), Nebraska 105.8 (#22) Passing yards allowed per game: Wisconsin 172.8 (#23), Nebraska 228 (#65) Sacks: Wisconsin 16 (#9), Nebraska 8 (#80) Interceptions: Wisconsin 7 (#11), Nebraska 6 (#20) NOTES: The last time Nebraska lost a night game at home was 2008 against Missouri. The last time Wisconsin won a night game on the road was 2013 at Illinois, Wisconsin has never won a game on the road, at night, in front of a crowd of more than 50,000 fans unless you count 1995 Penn State which would have ended around 8PM. The last time that a top Ten Wisconsin team lost to a non-ranked opponent was 2008 @ Michigan.

What's going on with Tanner Lee? Is it an Offensive Line or Receiver issue or is it him?

Ah yea but I'm just saying, generally speaking, they're similar figures for both fan bases. Chryst has a similar story as well but I'm partial to Leonhard because he's from my part of the state.

All but two are new but they've played very well up until the last ten minutes of the Northwestern game. That's Leonhard's bread and butter and I'm confident he will have them ready. Our Pass Defense was #10 in the country by yardage and #1 by TDs allowed this morning, and while that was against bad teams, they will still be the best you guys have yet to face, as you will be for us. If we lose it will be because we can't get our Offense clicking which I could see happening, it's already happened in the 1st halves of our Northwestern and Utah State games. This game is going to be close which is good, close night games are always fun. PS: I cannot sing Leonhard's praises enough, you all may be aware of him from a few media spots but the dude is legit. He's sort of Wisconsin's version of Scott Frost I guess. A walk-on with a successful NFL career and extremely high football IQ. He is the future of our program from a coaching perspective.

They only thing I can think of that would explain it is the Chicago Mob needed a 9 point win.

It's going to be a really great game, the last two times we've gone to Lincoln it's been close. I think your QB is going to have a tough time.