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Pump the breaks on your straw men. I have never been a Riley fan. We all want the best coach available. It is not crazy in the slightest to believe that Frost is not the best guy we can get. If we get him, I'll still be very happy. Remember: We have to recruit from the warm-weather meccas to do this thing. The bigger the name, the more pull in recruiting. This is a very basic concept.

As I said a few replies up, David Shaw or Mark Dantonio. I wanted Dantonio to come in after Bo was fired.

Thank you for that data, Isle of View. You're making a good point. Still, in all seriousness I want the proven veteran head coach over Frost. Would I take Frost over Riley? Absolutely, yes. So if Frost is actually the best we can do I'll be happy to have him. I just don't think he's the best we can do, and 18 seasons without any conference titles is a long time. Time to turn it around as sensibly as we can.

You're absolutely correct in terms of head coaching experience. And I am serious. But Pelini had been around football as a coach (in any capacity) much longer than Frost. The two things are roughly a wash, IMO. Again, Frost is not at the top of my list. A proven trophy-winning head coach is.

Plenty of college football coaches struggle right out of the gate in the NFL. You're saying he's terrible based on his NFL performance, I assume. Kelly's at the top of my list personally. David Shaw and Mark Dantonio come in at 2 & 3, not necessarily in that order. Frost is probably 4th for me, honestly. I can't take another unproven coach, no matter how good Frost feels in this moment.

He's the hire that "feels good." That's not what we need. We don't need the hire that feels good. The Bo Pelini hire felt good but didn't bring any titles. Frost's resume is roughly the same as Bo's was back when we hired Bo in 2007. We need the hire that gives the greatest chance of success and I feel very confident that there's a guy out there with a higher chance of success than Frost.

I hope we're not hiring Frost. We need the Big Name out there to really bring in top 10 talent. We need a proven college football head coach. Frost is not that guy. I genuinely predict disappointment if we bring in Frost. Spend the money on the biggest name that's willing to come. This cannot be this hard and we cannot keep repeating this cycle.

On that third touchdown where their slot receiver crossed into an empty middle of the field and then just trotted into the end zone I said to myself, "Why don't we have a play like that in our playbook?" But yeah, as far as defense goes, I will say this over and over: Our next coach HAS TO take a look at what the top five teams in the conference do on defense, and then just do that. Iowa essentially never gets blown out. As I said in a couple other threads, in the past 15 seasons Iowa has never allowed more than 34 points to Wisconsin (but we've been blown out by Wisconsin multiple times). Diaco is very similar to Bo in his defensive philosophies. Which is bad, because Bo's defenses SUCKED in big games once we got into the B1G. This cannot be this hard, can it?

I still very much don't believe that this is true. Correlation isn't causation. We've seen some correlation here with this but it doesn't mean that "it doesn't work at Nebraska." Imagine a scenario where: A) Our offensive line is Wisconsin's offensive line. -and- B) Tre Bryant has zero knee issues and is 100% healthy. Completely different offensive outlook this season. Completely different. Tre is rumbling for over 125 yards every single game and Lee has time to throw the ball.

I would take Chip Kelly over Frost, 11 times out of 10. Please, please, PLEASE bring in Chip...

The arguments you're making are pretty much saying that it's correct to ignore the vast library of examples showing objectively that sports psychology is a thing. I don't think you really believe that. There are so many examples and analogies to pick from it's hard to know where to start. Possibly anything written by John Wooden might be good, though.

Now if we want to make the argument that a power run offense is the best way to go based on factors such as: -It's easier to recruit for -It's cold here in November then I'm listening. And Wisconsin is a pretty shining example of someone who's doing it and overachieves. Scheme might be a problem on defense for us right now (probably too early to say for sure). But I don't think scheme is the problem on offense.

+1. Agreed. If our tackles and tight ends were blocking well we'd be talking about how we run the power sets so well. How we resemble Shaw's stuff at Stanford, etc., etc. But there's bad coaching that leads to poor execution. There's poor play calling (which @Mavric has pointed out well many times) that contributes to failed scoring attempts. There is not a thing wrong with Riley's offense. Pining for the old days is not a bad thing but there's so much muddying the waters by our fan base over why things don't work when they're not working.

@Mavric - Seeing Frost top that list is pretty eye-opening. His stock is going up week by week, there is no arguing that. I see the pros outweighing the cons each time I consider firing Riley for Frost at the end of this season. I still think the key is whether or not he can bring in the supporting cast to really churn out the product we're expecting. And I also still think the main factor that trumps this entire discussion is what our regular season record winds up being this year.

It's just insane though how we've allowed to blow us out since entering the Big 10. I posted this in another thread: Going back to 2001, Iowa has never allowed Wisconsin to score more than 34 points. Get your head around that. Iowa, in 15 straight seasons, never allowed Wisconsin to score more than 34. We need a defensive coordinator that crafts a defense to stop the run. Period. That's it. All we have to do in order to take the next step is to create a defense that could stop Wisconsin & Iowa's power run offenses. I think Diaco is capable of this, but by the time this season is over I'll quite possibly believe otherwise.

Bo then replaces him with unproven "Mr. Tape Fingers." That didn't go well. `

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No, none.

It could possibly be said that the younger guys that are playing have more talent than the guys that were upperclassmen that Bo recruited in his last two seasons. Making the argument that things could be better next year (regardless of who the coach is) seems like a fairly reasonable one to me.

Agreed. Another reason that I think that if: 1. We bring in a good offensive line coach and 2. Diaco adjusts to playing against the run in the Big 10 we have a team that's playing much better football. There's so much black and white on this forum of whether or Riley's "The Guy." He might not be "The Guy," but his supporting cast is really the biggest factor right now and whether we like it or not, he might be coaching next season. He needs to fire Cavanaugh immediately.

Bo's last two classes kind of missed on greatness on the defensive side of the ball. I don't think there was anything wrong with attempting to play a lot of young guys on defense because a new coach has to start fresh and build *some kind* of a multi-season plan to build something special. With a good offensive line this entire team looks different. The stats that @Isle of View posted about Wisconsin starting a lineup of 3* talent is pretty depressing. There's a lack of development there. We have some coaching issues on offense and some scheme issues on defense. But talent doesn't really seem to be our problem.

The season itself definitely ended on Saturday night. Even if our only other loss is to Ohio State, Wisconsin would have to lose three games for us to go to Indy. Won't happen. I think Riley keeps his job if he goes 8-4 because that's going to mean a win against Penn State. But, that won't happen either. It's unbelievable that we're on the verge of repeating the 2007 season, but here we are...

And a new meme was born. #remeber

Agreed. This is what I've been saying since we entered the Big 10: How do we not take a humble look at what the other successful defenses in this conference do? Does this not seem obvious? I looked up the stats of the Wisconsin vs Iowa head-to-head results going back to 2001. In the past 15 contests, Wisconsin has never scored more than 34 points against Iowa. Let that sink in for a bit. In 15 seasons, Wisconsin, who has blown us out and scored more than 34 points on us multiple times, never scored more than 34 points against Iowa. How in the living f*** are we consistently not fielding a defense as good as Iowa's?! Bob at times has looked good against the run in the first six games, but he needs to swallow his pride and bring his secondary closer to the line when we play Penn State and Iowa. The Ohio State game is a write-off.

Holy f***. Attention, huskerboard: jessica0 is very likely cm husker. Serious. You needed to not bring up Navy to keep your cover. That was a tactical error.