RedSavage

So I heard the reason why the girl is claiming it wasn't consensual tonight...

There's been about 600,000 refugees taken in to different European countries all over, and should be noted that many of them are completely overwhelmed trying to aid in the relief. I should have said that better. I realize Europe is providing more relief than us, and IMO that's how it should be, mainly bc of proximity. What I should have said is why is so much expected from us in this situation. I know as a world power we need to at least do something for our part in helping. I just get somewhat tired of us always bailing everyone else out, instead of bailing out ourselves. There are plenty of people in this country that need just as much help as these refugees. I stated this above as well but if this same situation happened in South America, how much would we expect Europe to help us/how much would they help us? Would European countries be welcoming South American refugees with open arms?

I haven't read every post, but what he did was dumb.Should've said something like "the police are investigating an incident that occurred at my residence. Since the investigation is ongoing, I cannot further comment on it. I can tell you that at this time I am not being accused of any wrongdoing ( if true). I really don't care how this affects the team, this is much bigger than any football game. How would that be any better than what he actually said? ("From what were hearing, everything was consensual.") : Um, it's quite a bit better actually. His opinion on whether she was raped or not is irrelevant if he didn't witness it so he should have kept his mouth shut. His opinion on it comes from the word of some of his buddies. Saying he can't comment on it is way better than saying from what he heard this woman, who went to the hospital and caused 5 cops to come to his house, wasn't really raped. So, if the statement that Tommy heard turned out to be false, do you think he could be sued for defamation or something? I just don't see how he could get into trouble for that statement. In what other possible way could that get him into trouble? Sure, you and I would have handled it differently. But we're not 22 year old college students. Tommy apparently felt he had to say something, and I just don't think what he said is that big of a deal. He's 22, not 18. You should know by then if accused ad something of this level to lawyer up.The university should be telling the kids the same thing. If you get in trouble, don't talk to the police or press. Call us or your lawyer first even if you think you've done nothing wrong. You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill. (I'm talking about the brief statement Tommy made. Not the crime itself.) What Tommy said wasn't that big of a deal. Did you have a lawyer at age 22? I didn't. In fact, I still have never engaged a criminal lawyer. Then again, I've never committed any crime. Or at least I've never committed any crime worse than taking too many free baloney bite samples from the local butcher. lol Off topic, but I'd be shocked if any poster hadn't committed a crime ( even if inadvertently), I know I have done plenty. Speeding, public urination, spitting on a public sidewalk, not coming to be 3 second stop before turning, jaywalking, etc. But anyway, back to the topic. Its not about defamation, it's about looking really, really bad. Stating that the police said "they should be fine" can be interpreted that the police are going to sweep this under the rug, saying that it was consensual is hearsay. How much time do you think Tommy had before he made his comments? Do you think he had well thought out and prepared statements to give or do you think what he said was more on the fly, being pressured by the press to comment on the situation? I'm betting on the latter. Doesn't matter. Then a simple "no comment" would suffice. It doesn't take an experienced attorney to do that for you, it's common sense. And again we're back to the sh#tstorm that would ensue around this situation about Tommy being guilty because of no comment. Tommy looks much more innocent from an outsiders perspective by commenting on the situation, which if he's innocent, I'm sure that's what he wants. When you are innocent you typically have the mentality of "nothing to hide". As already stated in this thread, if Tommy ends up being guilty then he's a moron for his comments.

I haven't read every post, but what he did was dumb. Should've said something like "the police are investigating an incident that occurred at my residence. Since the investigation is ongoing, I cannot further comment on it. I can tell you that at this time I am not being accused of any wrongdoing ( if true). I really don't care how this affects the team, this is much bigger than any football game. How would that be any better than what he actually said? ("From what were hearing, everything was consensual.") : Um, it's quite a bit better actually. His opinion on whether she was raped or not is irrelevant if he didn't witness it so he should have kept his mouth shut. His opinion on it comes from the word of some of his buddies. Saying he can't comment on it is way better than saying from what he heard this woman, who went to the hospital and caused 5 cops to come to his house, wasn't really raped. So, if the statement that Tommy heard turned out to be false, do you think he could be sued for defamation or something? I just don't see how he could get into trouble for that statement. In what other possible way could that get him into trouble? Sure, you and I would have handled it differently. But we're not 22 year old college students. Tommy apparently felt he had to say something, and I just don't think what he said is that big of a deal. He's 22, not 18. You should know by then if accused ad something of this level to lawyer up. The university should be telling the kids the same thing. If you get in trouble, don't talk to the police or press. Call us or your lawyer first even if you think you've done nothing wrong. You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill. (I'm talking about the brief statement Tommy made. Not the crime itself.) What Tommy said wasn't that big of a deal. Did you have a lawyer at age 22? I didn't. In fact, I still have never engaged a criminal lawyer. Then again, I've never committed any crime. Or at least I've never committed any crime worse than taking too many free baloney bite samples from the local butcher. lol Off topic, but I'd be shocked if any poster hadn't committed a crime ( even if inadvertently), I know I have done plenty. Speeding, public urination, spitting on a public sidewalk, not coming to be 3 second stop before turning, jaywalking, etc. But anyway, back to the topic. Its not about defamation, it's about looking really, really bad. Stating that the police said "they should be fine" can be interpreted that the police are going to sweep this under the rug, saying that it was consensual is hearsay. How much time do you think Tommy had before he made his comments? Do you think he had well thought out and prepared statements to give or do you think what he said was more on the fly, being pressured by the press to comment on the situation? I'm betting on the latter.

In a lot of situations (especially militarily) we are expected to bear the brunt of things, but in this case Europe is far outpacing us in their response. Tens of thousands of refugees are in Germany, France, ...all over Europe. Unfortunately that comes with being a world power. However, I think they should be the one's primarily handling it, mostly because of proximity. I mean how much would we expect Europe to help us/how much would they help us, if this was the same situation but it happened in South America?

I'm in agreement as far as something needs to be done to help these people but realistically, I'm not sure what. Why does America have to be the one's at the forefront to help? Why can't a well developed European country such as Germany step in and help out? Do you not think we should be focusing on the people in our own country who need help first and foremost?

I didn't read most of this thread but wanted to post this and preface it with my opinion. If we could take care of the people we already have in this country that deserve priority for assistance (Homeless Vets), I would but much more in favor of letting in the refugees. This is the other reason (and IMO a few bad eggs have ruined it for all of them): http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/nation/2015/11/18/reports-eight-suspected-isis-militants-posing-refugees-detained-turkey/75977926/

Girls don't lie??? That's a new one. Ever heard of a little situation that happened at Duke a few years back?What a f'ing idiotic post. Of course she could be lying, and I didn't say anything to the contrary. That doesn't mean Armstrong should imply she's lying, especially not to a damned newspaper reporter. He's likely going off the word of the accused. He doesn't know which of them is telling the truth. How is only knowing the accused's side of the story and telling that to a reporter, insinuating the girl is lying? It's insinuating she's lying because that isn't all he's heard. He was a) interviewed by the police and therefore knows she filed charges and b) may know that she went to the hospital. So he knows the girl says she was raped. That's part of what he's heard. But he chose to say "From what we're hearing it was consensual." So he's writing off anything that she's said. The main takeaway from this is don't talk to news reporters about rape allegations. But "what he's heard" likely came from the source, the accused. I highly doubt he's heard anything from the alleged victim.

Girls don't lie??? That's a new one. Ever heard of a little situation that happened at Duke a few years back? What a f'ing idiotic post. Of course she could be lying, and I didn't say anything to the contrary. That doesn't mean Armstrong should imply she's lying, especially not to a damned newspaper reporter. He's likely going off the word of the accused. He doesn't know which of them is telling the truth. How is only knowing the accused's side of the story and telling that to a reporter, insinuating the girl is lying?

Personal plea. Put away the Husker Fandom garbage if you are going to post on this issue. Leave the Pelini/Riley, fire/not fire, shoulda-woulda-coulda stuff for other threads. Not this one. A young woman has reported being sexually assaulted and the legal system will sort this out. It is morally reprehensible to criticize the woman for the report or insinuate that she is a liar. Yes it does happen from time to time, but numerous studies show that most women do not report their attacks due to fear of such criticism. It is incredibly sad that so many young women have to deal with this issue on college campuses, and I am deeply troubled that it happened at an institution I called home. Sure thing... Coming from a guy whose name is Husker NoNo...

I agree with he shouldn't talk to media, but he probably wanted it to make clear he is cleared and so is westerkamp, so people will move on. Otherwise, like someone else mentioned, headline reads sex assault at their house and everyone else is left wondering. This is n awful headline to have over your head and house.

Because hopefully he has nothing to hide. It's still idiotic to talk to a newspaper about it right now. Not trying to downplay the severity of the situation, especially if it actually happened but if it didn't happen, like Tommy is claiming, I don't see the problem in talking to the newspaper, other than it's a distraction for the team. Shoot if I was in his shoe's and didn't know why said girl is making these accusations, I would probably talk to the cops and newspaper as well to find out what's even going on.

Because hopefully he has nothing to hide.

If anyone is looking for a new show, Master of None with Aziz Ansari is great. Closest show I could compare it to off the top of my head would be Louie.

38 rushes vs. 21 passes = incessant passing? Yes, at times. Or just passing when we shouldn't have. When you're up 21-0 with 4 minutes left in the half and your run game is doing decently, run it on first down. We passed it on 1st down two series in a row IIRC and threw 2 interceptions. If both those passes were completions rather than interceptions, nobody is complaining about them being "bad calls." It's absurd. These kind of argmuments were the reason the term "Monday morning quarterback" was coined. And yet here I was screaming at the television when he started to throw asking "why the f#*k are we passing the ball right now". Followed by, "of course it's a f'ing interception. Even if they are completions I would ask why we were throwing in that situation. They were bad calls, that were poorly executed. But they were still bad calls. Exactly. The passing game was working, the running game was getting pretty stuffed at the time. Plus it felt to me the running game was getting a little too predictable. I posted this in the game thread but on that first pick, Tommy should have never been throwing to Hovey in the first place. Zo was WIDE open on the right sideline. If Tommy had thrown to Zo like he should have and we scored a long td, would we even be having this conversation?

Again not not play calling that's the problem. Also, you can't run the ball every freaking play, good lord.

So let's get mad at Langs for doing what is working. On the first pick Moore was WIDE open down the sideline. Tommy should never have been throwing to Hovey in the first place. Or how bout that incomplete screen pass to Cotton that he had days of green in front of him? On that second pick we probably should've been running but that was all on Tommy. I love Tommy but a better qb either completes those passes or knows to throw it away. Langsdorf is not the issue here.

Tend to agree. Like the video and the idea but kept waiting for a part showing the crowd going crazy. Was thinking they'd have Jano's Wiscy run in there at least.

They played it right after Janos 4th qtr TD against Wiscy. Place went nuts when they did too. I've been at the rest of the home games this year and I don't think it was played any other time. Pretty sure Wiscy was the first. I thought they might keep it going for Northwestern but I'm pretty sure they didn't. They played it at the end of the MSU game

Now if only we could figure out the other 3 quarters are equally as important

:ahhhhhhhh If all is true, it's odd that his dad would put the kobash on a trip to Nebraska, but still let his kid go to a different game. I'm not sure it really matters though. GBR! I don't think that bodes well for us I honestly don't think it matters...He has moved a couple trips to Nebraska already. Has been here tons of times, just like he has to USC. He changed his trip to the Iowa game. He'll be all N. I wouldn't be concerned if KJ sr. was not allowing him to go anywhere this weekend. I find it odd that he's punishing him by not allowing him to come here and still letting him go somewhere else instead. Right, but i'm in the club that believes Sr. isn't guiding him in the direction of a certain school. So, I just think it's odd that he is letting him go to a game at all, but it's not my business how he raises his kid. I'm in agreement but I don't understand how this is punishment...unless he considers going to USC a punishment . But on a serious note, not like he won't still have fun and party it up there. Just almost feels like more of a cop out to me.

:ahhhhhhhh If all is true, it's odd that his dad would put the kobash on a trip to Nebraska, but still let his kid go to a different game. I'm not sure it really matters though. GBR! I don't think that bodes well for us I honestly don't think it matters...He has moved a couple trips to Nebraska already. Has been here tons of times, just like he has to USC. He changed his trip to the Iowa game. He'll be all N. I wouldn't be concerned if KJ sr. was not allowing him to go anywhere this weekend. I find it odd that he's punishing him by not allowing him to come here and still letting him go somewhere else instead.

:ahhhhhhhh If all is true, it's odd that his dad would put the kobash on a trip to Nebraska, but still let his kid go to a different game. I'm not sure it really matters though. GBR! I don't think that bodes well for us

Couldn't agree more. As much as I'm not thrilled about likely watching us get curb stomped in person, this team needs us (fans) now more than ever.