CornfedChris

I dunno what everyone is so surprised about all of a sudden. Taylor was his same uncomfortable self today. We have quarterbacks that actually know how to play now so they look "amazing" to everyone. haha. y'all are funny.

With the time he's had to prepare, correct "stuff", and heal, I was hoping to see more from our "Starting Quarterback".... But I am not surprised by what I saw today. I'm still confident with our team as a whole. Saw ALOT of good quarterback play by the "youngsters", as well as CG. Still confident with my Quarterback analysis although there is no way Bubba turns down a chance to play baseball. Such a great sport, and will benefit his entire family. Hope everyone can realize that things change for a reason... not on here trying to "bash" anyone, just stating facts.

White team will shove it down the red team's throat. Tackling and stamina will be the key factors.

BUMP! I'd like to add some votes to this poll we had going here.

which pixel is crouch?

Guess Garcia's a no-go for any Heisman talk now. haha

Remember when Bo took the mic as head coach for the first time, he was nervous, and he didn't always choose the best words. Look how far he has come since then. An interview shows no correlation to how good of a football player/coach is on the field or in the locker room with teammates. Quiet leadership on the otherhand does work. Leading by example instead of words is a great form of leadership and was one thing Suh did very well. I think our team is full of players with that same form of quiet leadership. I think those are the type of players our coaching staff looks for when recruiting. Of course, at times, they need to step up and say things... but no one wants a team full of Terrell Owens'. As long as they are out on the field producing, I have no problem with what they look like in an interview.

I posted this in the Husker Football Forum, but everyone insists on continuing the Taylor Martinez argument. So I thought I would try to post this here! Here is a group of players I feel deserve more attention for their possible run at the Heisman this year. Of course none of these players are going to be clear cut picks, but neither was Cam Newton at this time last year. That is why they are labeled Dark Horse. These are players that were not included in the early 2011 Heisman Trophy Watch Betting-Odds List but still play a big role in their team's gameplan. Geno Smith QB, West Virginia Wow looking at West Virginia's schedule and results from last year makes you wonder why this guy wasn't on everyone's watch list. Holy Cow! His line is good. QB Rating of 144, 2,763yds, 24 TDS. Only 7 INTS. The only 3 losses during the regular season last year were to LSU by 6 points, Syracuse by 5 points, and UConn by 3 points. He's an exciting, yet very efficient quarterback, and better yet he's only a Sophomore! Stephen Garcia QB, South Carolina This is one of my favorite quarterbacks this year (I'm a South Carolina fan in case you didn't know) but his statistics were not too bad at all last year. QB Rating of 148, 3,059yds, and 20 TDS. He lead the Gamecocks with victories over Southern Miss, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and a victory over their biggest rival Clemson. He popped up in a few polls early last season earning himself some Heisman buzz. The Gamecocks return a ferocious defense as well as a developing young, but powerful offensive. Garcia joins two other possible Heisman candidates returning on offense as well. Look out SEC! Robert Woods WR, Southern California Young, Talented, Great Hands. If you remember, he was the guy who caught for 224 yds/12 receptions/3TDS against one of the best teams in the nation, Stanford! In only his Freshman year he had 65 receptions for 794yds for 6 TDS. Not bad at all. The only thing holding this guy back is his youth, and the fact that he plays for Lane Kiffin, and new WR coach Ted Gilmore. Hmmmm..... (I don't even know if USC is allowed to win a Heisman given the sanctions placed on them. Guess I'll have to look into that.) Edwin Baker RB, Michigan State This guy came on the scene last year where he split carries with a few other backs. His tough downhill running style and physical approach is awesome to watch. He seems to slip out of tackles brilliantly and is great at running up the gut. His stats don't lie. Last year he averaged over 5.8 yds per carry. He knows how to find the endzone when in the redzone that's for sure. 13 TDS almost a TD in everygame. Rushed for over 1,200 yds on a Michigan State team whose only regular season loss came to Iowa. I think this guy is one of the best rushers if not the best in the Big Ten, arguably Top 10 in the country. He needs to be on the list. Why are the following players so hyped? Taylor Martinez QB, Nebraska I wouldn't quite label this guy a Dark Horse Heisman caliber yet. Even last year, when the media started to do it, I don't think I would have. The Nebraska fan base has bowed down to this kid almost directly because of all the attention put on him, yet he has yet to prove anything to anyone. He's garnered the All-American Freshman Honor, but is he capable of taking his team to the next level to be considered "Heisman Status"? I don't think so. He will need to pull off a couple miracles and learn his position before I see this happening, honestly. Let's be real here. He's good.... and fun as hell to watch! But he's not that good. At least not yet. And he might not even be our starter. Trent Richardson RB, Alabama - He plays for Alabama that could be why. He's not bad, but there is better. Case Keenum QB, Houston - Destroys his crappy conference but can't beat a good team. ??? Greg Reid CB, Florida State - Seriously... a corner winning the Heisman? He's no Charles Woodsen.

Alright, since every thread I start tends to turn into a "Your a Martinez Hater" thread... I'm going to attempt to steer this one back on track. Back to the Heisman Dark Horse Candidates. Here is a group of players I feel deserve more attention for their possible run at the Heisman this year. Of course none of these players are going to be clear cut picks, but neither was Cam Newton at this time last year. That is why they are labeled Dark Horse. These are players that were not included in the early 2011 Heisman Trophy Watch Betting-Odds List but still play a big role in their team's gameplan. Geno Smith QB, West Virginia Wow looking at West Virginia's schedule and results from last year makes you wonder why this guy wasn't on everyone's watch list. Holy Cow! His line isn't bad. QB Rating of 144, 2,763yds, 24 TDS. Only 7 INTS. The only 3 losses during the regular season last year were to LSU by 6 points, Syracuse by 5 points, and UConn by 3 points. He's an exciting, yet very efficient quarterback, and better yet he's only a Sophomore! Stephen Garcia QB, South Carolina This is one of my favorite quarterbacks this year (I'm a South Carolina fan in case you didn't know) but his statistics were not too bad at all last year. QB Rating of 148, 3,059yds, and 20 TDS. He lead the Gamecocks with victories over Southern Miss, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and a victory over their biggest rival Clemson. He popped up in a few polls early last season earning himself some Heisman buzz. The Gamecocks return a ferocious defense as well as a developing young, but powerful offensive. Garcia joins two other possible Heisman candidates returning on offense as well. Look out SEC! Robert Woods WR, Southern California Young, Talented, Great Hands. If you remember, he was the guy who caught for 224 yds/12 receptions/3TDS against one of the best teams in the nation, Stanford! In only his Freshman year he had 65 receptions for 794yds for 6 TDS. Not bad at all. The only thing holding this guy back is his youth, and the fact that he plays for Lane Kiffin, and new WR coach Ted Gilmore. Hmmmm..... (I don't even know if USC is allowed to win a Heisman given the sanctions placed on them. Guess I'll have to look into that.) Edwin Baker RB, Michigan State This guy came on the scene last year where he split carries with a few other backs. His tough downhill running style and physical approach is awesome to watch. He seems to slip out of tackles brilliantly and is great at running up the gut. His stats don't lie. Last year he averages over 5.8 yds per carry. He knows how to find the endzone when in the redzone that's for sure. 13 TDS almost a TD in everygame. Rushed for over 1,200 yds on a Michigan State team whose only regular season loss came to Iowa. I think this guy is one of the best rushers if not the best in the Big Ten, arguably Top 10 in the country. He needs to be on the list. Why are the following players so hyped? Taylor Martinez QB, Nebraska I wouldn't quite label this guy a Dark Horse Heisman caliber yet. Even last year, when the media started to do it, I don't think I would have. The Nebraska fan base has bowed down to this kid almost directly because of all the attention put on him, yet he has yet to prove anything to anyone. He's garnered the All-American Freshman Honor, but is he capable of taking his team to the next level to be considered "Heisman Status". I don't think so. He will need to pull off a couple miracles and learn his position before I see this happening, honestly. Let's be real here. He's good.... and fun as hell to watch! But he's not that good. At least not yet. And he might not even be our starter. Trent Richardson RB, Alabama - He plays for Alabama that could be why. He's not bad, but there is better. Case Keenum QB, Houston - Destroys his crappy conference but can't beat a good team. ??? Greg Reid CB, Florida State - Seriously... a corner winning the Heisman? He's no Charles Woodsen

ESPN's Adam Rittenberg elaborated on Feldman's Heisman Dark Horse picks during a blog post yesterday and gave his input on the BIG 10 Dark Horse Heisman candidates Taylor Martinez and Edwin Baker and some others. He believes Dan Persa, Edwin Baker, and Montee Ball are more intriguing candidates. Click Here

I wouldnt call it hate at all. Taylor did some stuff last year that rubbed some in this fan base the wrong way. With a fan base like Nebraska's, there will always be support, but when you rub them the wrong way there will be a little questioning. He was young, and he will learn how to handle himself better with the spotlight directly on him. We support him, and support the team to the fullest. GBR! What exactly did he do to rub the fan base the wrong way? Did he Charlie Sheen his way through a press conference? Flip off a fan asking him for an autograph? Was it that he only made freshman all-america lists, and not actual all-america lists? I guess that would get me pretty steamed myself... I'm not sure if your aware of this but we're Nebraska. We want to win Championships here. It's not all about what they accomplish for themselves but how they get the rest of the team involved. I know, it's not all his fault. 10-4 isn't bad when you first look at it. But when you look at our schedule last year, you wonder why we even lost more than 2 games to begin with. Injury Shminjury, we want players that don't get hurt, not cry babies who run to daddy when things aren't going their way. It's that mental aspect of the game that's not there anymore with Nebraska Football. We remember the good ol' days when almost every play went our way, and nothing is good enough for us anymore until we return to perfection. Until we win, nothing will ever be good enough for us. That is just the way we are. We will always point the finger where the problem is. You can only make so many excuses for someone, but Nebraska fans will always have and show passion for their team, you can count on that forever. So go ahead and keep giving the excuses for why someone didn't get the job done. You either win or you lose, there is no in between with Nebraska football. haha, that totally sounds like a coach. Alright, so let's see if I got this right. Taylor "rubbed some in this fan base the wrong way," because he: 1. Didn't lead Nebraska to a national championship as a freshman QB (even though he would have been only the 4th Nebraska QB ever to win a national championship, and the first to do it as a freshman). 2. Because he got hurt (seriously... you said, "we want players that don't get hurt.") 3. Because he didn't lead Nebraska back to "perfection." I don't think Martinez is the problem in this particular conversation. By "not getting hurt".... I didn't literally mean "Don't get hurt", I meant don't let it affect your game. Mental Toughness. Look, we had problems all over our team last year from bad coaching, bad play calling, turnovers, bad quarterbacking, bad receiving, bad blocking etc... I realize that. But a good leader can fix a lot of those problems and set the tone of a game. Some people don't think he fits the criteria of a leader. I don't know yet what to think of him yet personally. Do I think he's a great QB? No. Does he have potential? Yes. Honestly, I think most of you guys mistake the criticism as "hate" and are the ones blowing it way out of proportion. Your going to have people pointing things like that out about your quarterback. He's a quarterback. All eyes are on him. And it's like that with every team around the nation.

Bo-fense has already figured out how to minimize the effectiveness of the spread offense. I don't see it hurting us at all. Especially in our division. I've got a feeling Osborne knows what he's doing. The absolute NUMBER 1 thing that hurts our team is ourself. We cut back on turnovers, and stupid penalties, we'll be in good shape.

Bingo. We've turned into a fanbase of spoiled brats. If we aren't dominating like the mid 90's, somebody needs fired or replaced. Newflash, we dominated a crappy conference, and had very little competition until the bowl game.It won't ever happen, for any team, again. We have a freshman All-American who has a record setting season with an OC who wants him on the bench, an doesn't like the offense. He gets injured, has sone growing pains, and is thrown under a bus by way too many of our "fans." And what do they base their hate towards Taylor on? Internet message board rumors started from hearesay and 3rd party information. I want NU to win every game, and I want whoever our QB is to do well. But some people seem as if they are making it personal, which is going to far. Like it or not, that's the way our fan base is. And that is my point. But complaining about our fans it isn't going to do any good. And is what I find annoying. What do you expect from fans who've watched their team lay down and get spanked on national television for the past decade. Unlike you, I'm happy to see the energy and criticism with our football program this year. It only provides more fuel for our players. I wouldn't call it "Hatred". I don't see anyone running Taylor out of town like Callahan or Cosgrove. Now that was hatred. Watson recieved more "hate" than Taylor has.

I wouldnt call it hate at all. Taylor did some stuff last year that rubbed some in this fan base the wrong way. With a fan base like Nebraska's, there will always be support, but when you rub them the wrong way there will be a little questioning. He was young, and he will learn how to handle himself better with the spotlight directly on him. We support him, and support the team to the fullest. GBR! What exactly did he do to rub the fan base the wrong way? Did he Charlie Sheen his way through a press conference? Flip off a fan asking him for an autograph? Was it that he only made freshman all-america lists, and not actual all-america lists? I guess that would get me pretty steamed myself... I'm not sure if your aware of this but we're Nebraska. We want to win Championships here. It's not all about what they accomplish for themselves but how they get the rest of the team involved. I know, it's not all his fault. 10-4 isn't bad when you first look at it. But when you look at our schedule last year, you wonder why we even lost more than 2 games to begin with. Injury Shminjury, we want players that don't get hurt, not cry babies who run to daddy when things aren't going their way. It's that mental aspect of the game that's not there anymore with Nebraska Football. We remember the good ol' days when almost every play went our way, and nothing is good enough for us anymore until we return to perfection. Until we win, nothing will ever be good enough for us. That is just the way we are. We will always point the finger where the problem is. You can only make so many excuses for someone, but Nebraska fans will always have and show passion for their team, you can count on that forever. So go ahead and keep giving the excuses for why someone didn't get the job done. You either win or you lose, there is no in between with Nebraska football. haha, that totally sounds like a coach.

No what happened was he started to play against good defenses that knew how to defend the zone read. and they figured out that he can't throw to save his life when he has pressure coming at him. Yeah, injury had nothing to do with it! Who cares that he torched Oklahoma State and had a better QB rating against them than any other Quarterback over the year. Who really does care that torched Okie Lite, nobody. Why because Okie Lite was terrible on defense. I will get on Tmart bandwagon when he is productive against a top 40 defense. Until then he is just an athlete playing QB. A very fast athlete. I'm not even sure that if Taylor finished out last year the same way he started, he would contend for the Heisman. He didn't show the same all around skillset that others did. ESPN did us a favor by hyping him up so early on in his career. Now he has to live up to the high standards they set for him. Could be a good and bad thing at the same time. Only time will tell. Until then, He's just a good athlete!

I can't say I agree with every player on the list, but most of them will have very productive years im sure.

If you read the top paragraph of the article, he says that he was puting a list together of the best players NOT on the oddsmaker's list. Since last year at this time Cam Newton was miles away from any Heisman talk.

It's basically an extended heisman list, nice to see Taylor near the top tho

This is an insider article by ESPN's Bruce Feldman. Click Here He ranks the top 10 Heisman Dark Horse Candidates of 2011 and has Taylor Martinez on the list as number 2! He gives an analysis of each of his picks and why they are on his list, but here is the list. It's nice to see ESPN starting to give us some love lately! 1. Geno Smith QB, West Virginia Mountaineers 2. Taylor Martinez QB, Nebraska Cornhuskers 3. EJ Manuel QB, Florida State Seminoles 4. Ryan Tannehill QB, Texas A&M Aggies 5. Alshon Jeffery WR, South Carolina Gamecocks 6. Brock Osweiler QB, Arizona State Sun Devils 7. Edwin Baker RB, Michigan State Spartans 8. Michael Dyer RB, Auburn Tigers 9. David Wilson RB, Virginia Tech Hokies 10. (tie) Jeff Godfrey QB, UCF Knights & Isaiah Crowell RB, Georgia Bulldogs