How good can we be with TM under center next year?

[zoogs]

If the defense plays better, as well as the offensive line and receivers, we can win every single game with TM under center.

 

There are different ways of looking at it. You could say, "if only our defense, OL, and WRs were elite, we would be in a BCS bowl."

 

But similarly, "If only our QB were elite, we would be in a BCS bowl." The defense fell off from before, but I don't think it or OL or WRs were terrible enough to prevent this from being an either-or thing. One, or both of these must happen for us to succeed though, goes without saying.

[MLB 51]

TM can't step up into the pocket. He can't throw over the lineman with that sidearm motion.

[Hercules]

You think Taylor would be good as a safety? Have you even watched the guy running into contact? And you think his skills would be utilized better as a 2nd or 3rd string safety? That sounds like not utilizing his skills at all to me...

 

Taylor will be fine. He needs to improve, as does every other player on the team.

Aha. You got my point exactly. His skills are very hard to utilize on a football team. Thanks.

 

You're right. He passed Tommie Frazier and moved to third place on Nebraska's career total yards list by the end of his sophomore year due to luck alone. No skill whatsoever.

[The Dude]

If the defense plays better, as well as the offensive line and receivers, we can win every single game with TM under center.

 

There are different ways of looking at it. You could say, "if only our defense, OL, and WRs were elite, we would be in a BCS bowl."

 

But similarly, "If only our QB were elite, we would be in a BCS bowl." The defense fell off from before, but I don't think it or OL or WRs were terrible enough to prevent this from being an either-or thing. One, or both of these must happen for us to succeed though, goes without saying.

Our defense, OL, and WRs wouldn't even have to be elite. We'd be a whole hell of a lot better if they'd play at Taylor and Rex's level.

[Hercules]

If the defense plays better, as well as the offensive line and receivers, we can win every single game with TM under center.

 

There are different ways of looking at it. You could say, "if only our defense, OL, and WRs were elite, we would be in a BCS bowl."

 

But similarly, "If only our QB were elite, we would be in a BCS bowl." The defense fell off from before, but I don't think it or OL or WRs were terrible enough to prevent this from being an either-or thing. One, or both of these must happen for us to succeed though, goes without saying.

 

We don't need our defense, OL, and WRs to be elite. I'd say we need our defense to be elite (if not, it doesn't matter how elite our QB is - see OSU/Stanford vs. Bama/LSU), and we need our OL/WRs to be above average.

[True2tRA]

When the line can't block for Rex, it's the line's fault. When they can't block for Taylor, it's Taylor's fault.

You've proven my point. Most of you think its such a black and white matter. It's not. There's a lot of things that go into pass blocking. The offensive line, and the QB have to to be a functioning unit together. The offensive line have to have a feel for what the QB's tendencies are and vice versa. Run blocking is mostly based on execution at the point of attack. Pass blocking is much more complicated. It involves timing. How long the QB holds the ball, if a play breaks down, lineman having the ability to extend blocks for a QB, creating a pocket for the QB to step up in or roll out. Taylor has shown that there is clearly no telling what he might do when the play breaks down. Usually when a play breaks down with Taylor I think the lineman are much like me, just holding their breath praying he doesn't do something stupid.

[bshirt]

Good lord some of you people are delusional. I gave up on giving you the facts. Clearly you don't watch the games and see there is some real problems with the flow of this offense. Footwork, pocket presence, timing, and throwing motion apparently don't mean sh#t to most of you. Then the guy is supposed to be able to run for days until uh oh? Every defense we play has figured out that that's all he can do and now what happens from here on out? Do you Taylor supporters ever watch any other football teams? There are other programs around the country that have 2nd and 3rd string QB's that blow the doors off of Taylor.....do you not watch any other football than Nebraska? Have you watched option football for so long that you forgot what passing game is supposed to look like?

 

If you support Taylor just because he is the current QB, I get that, but don't pretend for a second that Brion Carnes doesn't blow his doors off in every single category except the fact that Brion has no experience in real games. These coaches obviously don't want to give Brion a real shot at taking this f'ing' job....you know why? Cuz' Bo has such a hard on for Taylor it's not even funny. He defends the kid every time someone even mentions his name. If Brion was given a chance, you would see what a dual threat QB is really supposed to look like and you will all forget TM even existed.

 

I just ask one question of you Martinez supporters since you are clearly lost in a world where fundamental quarterback skills don't matter........when someone finally replaces Martinez and shows you what this offense is truly capable of will you have the balls to admit you were blind to see that the team is lacking a true leader, a vocal leader and a QB that can execute the offense?

 

If you want to see a hard-core case of a delusional fan having no clue whatsoever, just look in a mirror.

 

Your stated "facts" are only your own blind opinion. You make so make fact-less, baseless claims I don't even know where to start. Well, how about your claim "Carnes blows Tmart's doors off in every single category" is so full of sh*t it obtains a new, glorious record for delusional thinking here at HB.

 

Based on "what"? Yeah, just what I thought...."nothing" except your own baseless, mindless opinion.

 

I just ask one question of you haters since you are clearly lost in a world where fundamental thought process skills don't matter.....just how is another qb going to make our Oline pancake people & our wrs catch passes?

[True2tRA]

Good lord some of you people are delusional. I gave up on giving you the facts. Clearly you don't watch the games and see there is some real problems with the flow of this offense. Footwork, pocket presence, timing, and throwing motion apparently don't mean sh#t to most of you. Then the guy is supposed to be able to run for days until uh oh? Every defense we play has figured out that that's all he can do and now what happens from here on out? Do you Taylor supporters ever watch any other football teams? There are other programs around the country that have 2nd and 3rd string QB's that blow the doors off of Taylor.....do you not watch any other football than Nebraska? Have you watched option football for so long that you forgot what passing game is supposed to look like?

 

If you support Taylor just because he is the current QB, I get that, but don't pretend for a second that Brion Carnes doesn't blow his doors off in every single category except the fact that Brion has no experience in real games. These coaches obviously don't want to give Brion a real shot at taking this f'ing' job....you know why? Cuz' Bo has such a hard on for Taylor it's not even funny. He defends the kid every time someone even mentions his name. If Brion was given a chance, you would see what a dual threat QB is really supposed to look like and you will all forget TM even existed.

 

I just ask one question of you Martinez supporters since you are clearly lost in a world where fundamental quarterback skills don't matter........when someone finally replaces Martinez and shows you what this offense is truly capable of will you have the balls to admit you were blind to see that the team is lacking a true leader, a vocal leader and a QB that can execute the offense?

If the next quarterback has all those skills that you are alluding that TM does not have (I'm not saying he has them). It is not going to matter much if the line does not block, and the receivers do not catch the ball. Every single player on our team, has much to improve on. (Even Rex). Basically, what I am trying to say is our whole offense needs to get better for the team to reach our (the fans) goals.

It's a lot easier for an offensive line to pass block when they have a QB that will step up in the pocket instead of freaking out and taking off any time someone gets within 2 feet of him. Step UP! This is what I mean when I talk about pocket presence and footwork. Most all of you here on Huskerboard have no clue what your looking for in Quarterback fundamentals. All you look at is stats and whatever crap the coaching staff feeds you. Brion may not have had a great grasp of the playbook, but even in the spring game his fundamentals blew Taylor out of the water, and not only that, his numbers blew TM up! Yet the coaches have nothing but excuse for Taylor. Why? What did they promise this kid? What does his dad have on this program? Is there something behind the scenes that we don't know about because Bo seems awful loyal to Taylor and I can't find any apparent reason why? You can say Burkhead has to get better but I call BS. When defenses know he's going to carry the ball 35 times a game, it kind of makes it easy to load the box on them. You can say our offensive line isn't blocking well but the same principle applies. There isn't an offensive line in the country that can block a 8 man rush every single damn down! Have you not seen the way defenses have loaded the box on us? What's your excuse? It's everyones fault but Taylors? If we had a threat at QB they wouldn't do that. If Taylor could even extend a play it would be great. But nope, Taylor either throws or runs, that's it. He doesn't roll out, he doesn't move the pocket he doesn't extend plays. You can blame the wideouts, but when you have a QB that tends to take off the way Taylor does it makes things very hard for a WR. He doesn't know when his pass catching duties or blocking duties begin and end. 1 second your running your route, the next second Taylor is taking off and your trying to block someone. Please, any of you who think you know football, debate anything I say with some actual football facts. You can't do it.

 

Were you raped by Taylor? Possibly a friend of his? I sense a lot of hostility.

Taylor is not a good QB and I would prefer him not be the QB of my favorite college team. I hope the best for him and think he should switch positions. It might help further his career. I'm really looking out for his best interest. As far as rape, I don't know where that comes from or what you have on your filthy mind but I'm built quite a bit better than Taylor and in a prison scenario I can assure you, he would be my bitch.

[The Dude]

When the line can't block for Rex, it's the line's fault. When they can't block for Taylor, it's Taylor's fault.

You've proven my point. Most of you think its such a black and white matter. It's not. There's a lot of things that go into pass blocking. The offensive line, and the QB have to to be a functioning unit together. The offensive line have to have a feel for what the QB's tendencies are and vice versa. Run blocking is mostly based on execution at the point of attack. Pass blocking is much more complicated. It involves timing. How long the QB holds the ball, if a play breaks down, lineman having the ability to extend blocks for a QB, creating a pocket for the QB to step up in or roll out. Taylor has shown that there is clearly no telling what he might do when the play breaks down. Usually when a play breaks down with Taylor I think the lineman are much like me, just holding their breath praying he doesn't do something stupid.

I doubt it. No one pays attention to your "facts" because your "facts" are mostly sh**ty opinions.

[HuskerShark]

I think if the cards fall right, Taylor can help us win every game that we play. If you disagree, too bad. Chances are, we have 2 more years of T-Magic at QB.

Well I disagree, too bad for me. I pray that Taylor is not the QB of this team for the next 2 years. This teams lack of focus and don't give a sh#t attitude is reflected in Taylor every time I see the kid. He doesn't look like he ever rallies the team. In press conferences he seems like he has no urgency, no passion, and clearly could give a sh#t less how the team did. He's just kind of there.

 

I said the other day that Bo needs to do what is best for this team. That includes giving them the best chance to win games. Taylor does not give us the best chance to win games. We have better QB's on this team, and better ones about to join the program. The way he seems to blindly deny Taylors faults makes me sick.

 

My number one hope for this team is that Taylor Martinez is moved to another position where is abilities can be used more effectively. Wasn't he supposed to be a safety? I think he would do great out there at safety. 2nd or 3rd string safety seems like a damn fine spot for him.

 

I think we see completely different things out of him. What I see is similar to what Bo sees. Taylor is a gamer. A competitive person who just wants to play football. Is he good in press conferences? Hell no, he's atrocious. Who cares. Truth of the whole situation is that each and every week, Taylor lays it all on the line and plays about as steady as you could ask him to. Aside from Rex, he's the most consistent performer on the team. After the Wisconsin game, the rest of the season we saw a Taylor that made subtle improvements each and every week.

 

During the second half of the OSU game, he finally figured out that he could check it down to Rex and gain more yards than trying to chuck it deep every time. Against NW, he played possibly his best game of the season, but the sh#tty performance from every other player on the team in that game overshadowed that fact.

 

Now.... In another post you said if another QB steps in and shows what this offense is capable of, would the T-Mart supporters (that's me) be willing to admit it?

Yes! In fact, I would be happy. I would love to see a QB step in and play better than Taylor because that would mean that we are getting really good productivity out of our QB position. Like I said above, I think if the rest of the team allows it, Taylor could lead us to a national championship. If we find a QB who plays even better, then that means that God is watching over the Cornhuskers my friend.

[MLB 51]

Stick and move.

[Hercules]

Taylor is not a good QB and I would prefer him not be the QB of my favorite college team. I hope the best for him and think he should switch positions. It might help further his career. I'm really looking out for his best interest. As far as rape, I don't know where that comes from or what you have on your filthy mind but I'm built quite a bit better than Taylor and in a prison scenario I can assure you, he would be my bitch.

[True2tRA]

You think Taylor would be good as a safety? Have you even watched the guy running into contact? And you think his skills would be utilized better as a 2nd or 3rd string safety? That sounds like not utilizing his skills at all to me...

 

Taylor will be fine. He needs to improve, as does every other player on the team.

Aha. You got my point exactly. His skills are very hard to utilize on a football team. Thanks.

 

You're right. He passed Tommie Frazier and moved to third place on Nebraska's career total yards list by the end of his sophomore year due to luck alone. No skill whatsoever.

Tommie Frazier ran the option 70% of the time, and when he wasn't running the option he was handing it off to the HB in the I formation, or to the FB in a triple option. When he didn't keep it on the option, he was pitching it to LP and Ahman Green who both had some pretty amazing numbers if I don't recall? Hmmm, you think Tommie had anything to do with that? Comparing Tommie Frazier's or any other QB's numbers in the option system to Taylors numbers now? Thats apples and oranges. We've ran an entirely different offensive style since the option days of the nineties here in Nebraska in case you haven't been watching.

[HuskerShark]

You think Taylor would be good as a safety? Have you even watched the guy running into contact? And you think his skills would be utilized better as a 2nd or 3rd string safety? That sounds like not utilizing his skills at all to me...

 

Taylor will be fine. He needs to improve, as does every other player on the team.

Aha. You got my point exactly. His skills are very hard to utilize on a football team. Thanks.

 

You're right. He passed Tommie Frazier and moved to third place on Nebraska's career total yards list by the end of his sophomore year due to luck alone. No skill whatsoever.

Tommie Frazier ran the option 70% of the time, and when he wasn't running the option he was handing it off to the HB in the I formation, or to the FB in a triple option. When he didn't keep it on the option, he was pitching it to LP and Ahman Green who both had some pretty amazing numbers if I don't recall? Hmmm, you think Tommie had anything to do with that? Comparing Tommie Frazier's or any other QB's numbers in the option system to Taylors numbers now? Thats apples and oranges. We've ran an entirely different offensive style since the option days of the nineties here in Nebraska in case you haven't been watching.

Maybe you didn't read it right. 3RD MOST CAREER YARDS IN NEBRASKA HISTORY

[Hercules]

You think Taylor would be good as a safety? Have you even watched the guy running into contact? And you think his skills would be utilized better as a 2nd or 3rd string safety? That sounds like not utilizing his skills at all to me...

 

Taylor will be fine. He needs to improve, as does every other player on the team.

Aha. You got my point exactly. His skills are very hard to utilize on a football team. Thanks.

 

You're right. He passed Tommie Frazier and moved to third place on Nebraska's career total yards list by the end of his sophomore year due to luck alone. No skill whatsoever.

Tommie Frazier ran the option 70% of the time, and when he wasn't running the option he was handing it off to the HB in the I formation, or to the FB in a triple option. When he didn't keep it on the option, he was pitching it to LP and Ahman Green who both had some pretty amazing numbers if I don't recall? Hmmm, you think Tommie had anything to do with that? Comparing Tommie Frazier's or any other QB's numbers in the option system to Taylors numbers now? Thats apples and oranges. We've ran an entirely different offensive style since the option days of the nineties here in Nebraska in case you haven't been watching.

 

So? He's still third all time in total yards. You're advocating for getting rid of a guy who only halfway through his career is one of the most prolific producers in school history.