The Palin Doctrine - Let Allah sort it out

[JJ Husker]

 

Nobody puts her remotely in that category. Both were evil men responsible for murder on a mind-boggling scale. But both also used tremendously divisive rhetoric to further their political agenda. All three, in that regard, can be likened to Sherman's March to the Sea - I'm getting where I need to go, and to hell with anything in my path.

 

Palin may have been a victim of circumstance, thrown in over her head, back in 2008, but we're five years past that situation. If she wanted to blend back into the background she should have finished out her term as governor of Alaska. Instead, she quit on her state and got paid by Fox News to spew hate-filled BS.

 

You don't see "the liberals" (to use the term you, BRB & TGHusker like to use for those who don't share your views) on this board using some divisive liberal hack like Keith Olbermann as a platform for their post, do you? There's a reason for that.

 

One of the main reasons for that is that Palin and Olbermann are not remotely the same level of "hack". The fact that you may disagree with that assessment likely has some bearing on why some of us more conservative posters would consider someone like yourself more liberal than ourselves. And you did "remotely" put her in that category when you used the Stalin analogy. It matters little that we all know she isn't responsible for the same level of atrocities as those other guys. Look Knapp, I know you aren't some far left liberal goofball and I respect your positions on a lot of issues but, when a person posts as much as you do and such an extreme percentage of it is defending Obama and attacking repubs and conservatives (even if it is well deserved much of the time) is that "liberal" term really deserving of this mocking incredulity?

[JJ Husker]

 

I used to feel the same way as you. But, my attitude has changed to more of....."if the rest of the world wants to live in a totally f***ed up life then that is their freedom to do so"

 

I honestly can't imagine a situation right now that I would support sending our troops anywhere in the world to do anything.

 

I'm in the same boat as well. I used to feel that we were the best situated and fair minded country to handle these types of international problems. I have changed in that regard immensely since September 2001. Sure I wanted to go kick some ass after 911 but I have since come to the realization that our cultures are so completely different that the best course of action now is to stay the heck out of it and focus all security on keeping things safe here. I'll probably catch hell for this but I would have no feelings whatsoever (other than relief) if some of those Mideast countries simply disappeared off the face of the earth. I am totally done with the US being the worlds police force. If those radical whack jobs want to kill themselves, their own people, whatever, I could give a F. And that is not going to change no matter which party controls our government or the WH. I simply have adjusted my thinking.

[TGHusker]

JJ and Knapp - I'll let you guys work this out & I'll see you on the other end of the weekend - have a good one. - I don't mind being called a conservative - and normally when I use the word liberal I normally say 'leaning liberal". I don't think any of us are 100% one or the other - and we might be that dreaded 'moderate' in some cases. I do have a lot of respect for Carl, Knapp, etc who 'lean liberal' - I don't use the phase as a derogatory term. If I were to make it derogatory I'd use the socialist, communist label - in the same way some label conservatives wt the "facism' term. Both extremes are wrong. As I mentioned above, In some areas I've become more liberal, some areas more libertarian, and some more conservative. We just tend to hit the conservative vs liberal topics more often on this forum.

[knapplc]

One of the main reasons for that is that Palin and Olbermann are not remotely the same level of "hack".

You'll have to convince someone else of that.

 

The fact that you may disagree with that assessment likely has some bearing on why some of us more conservative posters would consider someone like yourself more liberal than ourselves.

 

It's not my fault that those who disagree with my views are often far right. To someone far to the right, everyone is left of them, or "liberal," if that's the word you choose. You can think of me how you wish. I know what I am. A centrist Moderate, and I always have been.

 

Look Knapp, I know you aren't some far left liberal goofball and I respect your positions on a lot of issues but, when a person posts as much as you do and such an extreme percentage of it is defending Obama and attacking repubs and conservatives (even if it is well deserved much of the time) is that "liberal" term really deserving of this mocking incredulity?

 

Even you admit it's often well-deserved.

 

And if it's a problem for me to debunk the Birthers, the "He's taking our guns!!!!" nutters, the "death panel" nutters (Sarah Palin, Hello!), the "Obama is a Socialist" nutters, the "Obama's Economy" nonsense, the "Obama is a Muslim" nutters, the worst of the Obamacare nonsense and other tinfoil hat theories, then go ahead and label me a "liberal" if that floats your boat. Me, I'd rather have reasonable discourse than talk about fringe garbage like that, but hey - I'm a whackjob leftist liberal, so what do I know? Amirite?

 

 

EDIT...

BTW - do you know why there aren't any threads where I'm going on and on denouncing people like Olbermann and the other MSNBC hacks? Because nobody here defends the far left. Nobody. Nobody thinks they're right, nobody believes in their politics, nobody digs in their heels and supports them.

 

We have lengthy threads about the far right because there is a large contingent of folks here on HuskerBoard who staunchly defend every utterance the far right comes out with.

 

If people stopped defending the Palins of the world, there'd be fewer threads about them.

[knapplc]

JJ and Knapp - I'll let you guys work this out & I'll see you on the other end of the weekend - have a good one. - I don't mind being called a conservative - and normally when I use the word liberal I normally say 'leaning liberal". I don't think any of us are 100% one or the other - and we might be that dreaded 'moderate' in some cases. I do have a lot of respect for Carl, Knapp, etc who 'lean liberal' - I don't use the phase as a derogatory term. If I were to make it derogatory I'd use the socialist, communist label - in the same way some label conservatives wt the "facism' term. Both extremes are wrong. As I mentioned above, In some areas I've become more liberal, some areas more libertarian, and some more conservative. We just tend to hit the conservative vs liberal topics more often on this forum.

 

Being left of right-leaning people puts you in one of two categories: Centrist or Left. I'm a Centrist. Not every person who's political leanings are left of Right-wingers are Liberals.

 

Doesn't matter if you mean it derogatorily or not (I don't take it as an insult, just an annoying wrong), it's a mode of thinking that is prevalent in this country, but counterproductive to getting us out of this mess.

[HSKR]

One of the main reasons for that is that Palin and Olbermann are not remotely the same level of "hack".

You'll have to convince someone else of that.

 

The fact that you may disagree with that assessment likely has some bearing on why some of us more conservative posters would consider someone like yourself more liberal than ourselves.

 

It's not my fault that those who disagree with my views are often far right. To someone far to the right, everyone is left of them, or "liberal," if that's the word you choose. You can think of me how you wish. I know what I am. A centrist Moderate, and I always have been.

 

Look Knapp, I know you aren't some far left liberal goofball and I respect your positions on a lot of issues but, when a person posts as much as you do and such an extreme percentage of it is defending Obama and attacking repubs and conservatives (even if it is well deserved much of the time) is that "liberal" term really deserving of this mocking incredulity?

 

Even you admit it's often well-deserved.

 

And if it's a problem for me to debunk the Birthers, the "He's taking our guns!!!!" nutters, the "death panel" nutters (Sarah Palin, Hello!), the "Obama is a Socialist" nutters, the "Obama's Economy" nonsense, the "Obama is a Muslim" nutters, the worst of the Obamacare nonsense and other tinfoil hat theories, then go ahead and label me a "liberal" if that floats your boat. Me, I'd rather have reasonable discourse than talk about fringe garbage like that, but hey - I'm a whackjob leftist liberal, so what do I know? Amirite?

 

 

EDIT...

BTW - do you know why there aren't any threads where I'm going on and on denouncing people like Olbermann and the other MSNBC hacks? Because nobody here defends the far left. Nobody. Nobody thinks they're right, nobody believes in their politics, nobody digs in their heels and supports them.

 

We have lengthy threads about the far right because there is a large contingent of folks here on HuskerBoard who staunchly defend every utterance the far right comes out with.

 

If people stopped defending the Palins of the world, there'd be fewer threads about them.

 

The people defending her or no worse then the people like you who continually give her the attention she craves. If it wasn't for you this thread would have lasted about 3 posts and lost in oblivion.

[HSKR]

JJ and Knapp - I'll let you guys work this out & I'll see you on the other end of the weekend - have a good one. - I don't mind being called a conservative - and normally when I use the word liberal I normally say 'leaning liberal". I don't think any of us are 100% one or the other - and we might be that dreaded 'moderate' in some cases. I do have a lot of respect for Carl, Knapp, etc who 'lean liberal' - I don't use the phase as a derogatory term. If I were to make it derogatory I'd use the socialist, communist label - in the same way some label conservatives wt the "facism' term. Both extremes are wrong. As I mentioned above, In some areas I've become more liberal, some areas more libertarian, and some more conservative. We just tend to hit the conservative vs liberal topics more often on this forum.

 

Being left of right-leaning people puts you in one of two categories: Centrist or Left. I'm a Centrist. Not every person who's political leanings are left of Right-wingers are Liberals.

 

Doesn't matter if you mean it derogatorily or not (I don't take it as an insult, just an annoying wrong), it's a mode of thinking that is prevalent in this country, but counterproductive to getting us out of this mess.

 

Actually I'm a centrist and you are left of me by a mile, so what does that make you?

[walksalone]

I think she's batsh*t crazy...

 

But I think any kinda of U.S. military intervention in this matter is f*cking stupid...

 

This is a job for the U.N. We have no dog in this fight, and should let other countries dictate what "our business" should be...

[zoogs]

I find it a little funny that Obama is being roundly criticized - including by European allies and his own party members - for not doing enough to help the rebels (who are 'good guys'?) in Syria, when other times the US has been slammed for just the opposite. Granted, every situation is different, but I'm not sure I see the value in helping the rebels here.

[JJ Husker]

 

It's not my fault that those who disagree with my views are often far right. I know what I am. A centrist Moderate, and I always have been.

 

Look Knapp, I know you aren't some far left liberal goofball and I respect your positions on a lot of issues

 

...but hey - I'm a whackjob leftist liberal, so what do I know? Amirite?

 

 

because there is a large contingent of folks here on HuskerBoard who staunchly defend every utterance the far right comes out with.

 

 

Amiright? Based on what I stated and your martyr response, I would so no you're not right. I can't make it much clearer than saying "I know you aren't some far left liberal goofball and I respect your positions on a lot of issues". Not sure how you take that the wrong way and then turn it into the opposite.

 

 

People who disagree with you are far right because you are a centrist moderate? I think you are about as far left of center as I am right of center. For the record, I would say we are both near center but there is a bit of a minor gap between us. Since you want to say I am far right, what is that assessment based on? Defending Palin when she is correct? Being generally suspicious of Obama? Because I don't like Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, & Gore? What makes me so far right and you the gold standard of center of the road?

 

A large contingent staunchly defending the right? Really? More defending the right than the left here on good ole HuskerBoard? Conservative viewpoints are dominating this forum? Yeah, ok, sure.

 

The reason we don't see people defending the likes of Olbermann is because those types are so far over the edge they can't be defended. All I did was side with a Syria position that Palin supports and I stated I agreed with "some" of her other positions. How is that equal but opposite of an Olbermann defender?

[knapplc]

 

It's not my fault that those who disagree with my views are often far right. I know what I am. A centrist Moderate, and I always have been.

 

Look Knapp, I know you aren't some far left liberal goofball and I respect your positions on a lot of issues

 

...but hey - I'm a whackjob leftist liberal, so what do I know? Amirite?

 

 

because there is a large contingent of folks here on HuskerBoard who staunchly defend every utterance the far right comes out with.

 

 

Amiright? Based on what I stated and your martyr response, I would so no you're not right. I can't make it much clearer than saying "I know you aren't some far left liberal goofball and I respect your positions on a lot of issues". Not sure how you take that the wrong way and then turn it into the opposite.

 

 

People who disagree with you are far right because you are a centrist moderate? I think you are about as far left of center as I am right of center. For the record, I would say we are both near center but there is a bit of a minor gap between us. Since you want to say I am far right, what is that assessment based on? Defending Palin when she is correct? Being generally suspicious of Obama? Because I don't like Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, & Gore? What makes me so far right and you the gold standard of center of the road?

 

A large contingent staunchly defending the right? Really? More defending the right than the left here on good ole HuskerBoard? Conservative viewpoints are dominating this forum? Yeah, ok, sure.

 

The reason we don't see people defending the likes of Olbermann is because those types are so far over the edge they can't be defended. All I did was side with a Syria position that Palin supports and I stated I agreed with "some" of her other positions. How is that equal but opposite of an Olbermann defender?

 

What's up with the labels? You have described yourself as a conservative. I don't label you, YOU label you. You also label me: "liberal," "martyr."

 

The funny thing is, I don't like Pelosi, Reid, Kerry or Gore, either, but you continually want to put me in that camp because I'm left of you. Again, center is left of right. You describe yourself as being right. Not my label, yours. I have never, ever, described myself as left. You have described me as left, liberal, blah blah blah. And when I tell you that description is wrong, I'm a "martyr?" OK.

 

It's descriptive of this conversation that you don't see Palin as the polar opposite of Olbermann. Support of an extremist isn't a tenet of Centrist beliefs. And Palin is definitely an extremist:

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2010/11/palin-you-can-be-never-too-far-right/

[JJ Husker]

Whatever knapp. I don't want to argue this anymore. The only label I gave you is left of me and more liberal than me. You are the one choosing to treat me as so far right that, of course, others are left of me. I don't feel there is much ground between us on the political spectrum. The only real difference I see is that I have more of a tendency to defend conservative things and you likewise with more liberal things. That doesn't necessarily mean either one of us is as extreme as who or what we may be defending at any given point in time.

 

I tried to avoid the P&R forum for awhile because it seemed inevitable that I would end up arguing with people that otherwise I'm sure I would get along with. I'm gonna try that again and hopefully I won't get suckered back into these stupid quibbles.

[knapplc]

Whatever knapp. I don't want to argue this anymore. The only label I gave you is left of me and more liberal than me. You are the one choosing to treat me as so far right that, of course, others are left of me. I don't feel there is much ground between us on the political spectrum. The only real difference I see is that I have more of a tendency to defend conservative things and you likewise with more liberal things. That doesn't necessarily mean either one of us is as extreme as who or what we may be defending at any given point in time.

 

I tried to avoid the P&R forum for awhile because it seemed inevitable that I would end up arguing with people that otherwise I'm sure I would get along with. I'm gonna try that again and hopefully I won't get suckered back into these stupid quibbles.

 

I can see by this, your first post in this thread dripping with sarcasm, how desperately you're trying to avoid "these stupid quibbles."

 

Of course, since that is the same position Palin has, it must be wrong It's too bad that we struggle to give credit where it is due based on a persons past transgressions or party affiliation.

 

 

 

And to think, all of this started because I had the audacity to call someone like Sarah Palin, who said you can't be too far right, "a radical."

[JJ Husker]

 

I can see by this, your first post in this thread dripping with sarcasm, how desperately you're trying to avoid "these stupid quibbles."

 

Of course, since that is the same position Palin has, it must be wrong It's too bad that we struggle to give credit where it is due based on a persons past transgressions or party affiliation.

 

 

 

And to think, all of this started because I had the audacity to call someone like Sarah Palin, who said you can't be too far right, "a radical."

Yeah, you're probably right. It couldn't be as simple as me underestimating the lengths you would go to defend your overstatement that Palin is no better than "any radical muslim cleric". How on earth did I ever think a moderate centrist might give one inch on that one?

[knapplc]

Palin herself said she couldn't be "too far right." Why would anyone defend that?