Rancher vs. Feds

[BigRedBuster]

I would rather have the feds go in with a show of force than to go in ill prepared and have some friggen idiot shoot or harm federal agents that are just doing their jobs and want to go home to their families at the end of the day.

[rawhide]

I would rather have the feds go in with a show of force than to go in ill prepared and have some friggen idiot shoot or harm federal agents that are just doing their jobs and want to go home to their families at the end of the day.

kinda like Kent State and the Nat'l. Guard??

[BigRedBuster]

I would rather have the feds go in with a show of force than to go in ill prepared and have some friggen idiot shoot or harm federal agents that are just doing their jobs and want to go home to their families at the end of the day.

kinda like Kent State and the Nat'l. Guard??

 

 

Ummm....no.

 

There isn't anything similar in my mind between these two events so it's kind of crazy to compare the two.

[TonyStalloni]

Hardly, Junior. Reid is a lying, conniving POS. He'll stop at nothing to get that land so he can further line his pockets. All one needs to do is follow the money. But, this has gone far past cattle and grazing rights. The Fed's response was both ridiculous and unnecessary. Cool guy cops with Oakley's, plate carriers and M-4's? MRAPs and snipers on the ridge lines? First amendment areas? Unlawfully seizing firearms? Who could possibly be OK with that? Don't take this as some kind of defense for Bundy's actions because its not. He likely is as big an ahole as he is made out to be. I'm jut stunned that some here think what the Feds did was OK. What if they would have fired on someone in the protest group? Would anyone be OK with that?

What are the protest groups doing there in the first place? Quite frankly, it's none of their business and I doubt that M-4s and MRAPs would have been necessary if every group of right wing nut jobs this side of the Mississippi hadn't rallied to defend this common criminal's ongoing criminal behavior.

 

Not to mention that this wouldn't even be in the news if the local yokels didn't turn out.

 

They showed up when word got out about the b.s. first amendment areas and the roads were being blocked. That's the 1st and 4th amendments the fed's wiping their collective ass with. So, I take it you're cool with that? Bundy is an idiot, that much is obvious but rolling heavy with a mechanized infantry company is b.s.

 

As for your last sentence, the Feds counted on them staying home. But they didn't and the Feds didn't have a plan for that. So the serfs are just supposed to stay home? Don't look behind the curtain and everything will be o.k?

 

Why do you suppose they bailed when they did?

The First Amendment does not protect a person who is issuing threats. Nor does it allow people to run around waving guns around. Go ahead and try that yourself, I'm sure you will meet some cops in less than 5 min. There are no "rights" being stepped on. This is about a jackass hillbilly who somehow cant comprehend that because someone back a couple generations was allowed to use some land that they did not own, does not entitle him to use it. And I assure you, his ancestors in the 1870's got the land they have from the Federal Government to begin with. They simply didnt want another pile of dead rednecks, a pile I would be perfectly fine with.

 

How do you celebrate Ruby Ridge and Waco? Cake, balloons, fireworks? Nazi much?

[rawhide]

I would rather have the feds go in with a show of force than to go in ill prepared and have some friggen idiot shoot or harm federal agents that are just doing their jobs and want to go home to their families at the end of the day.

kinda like Kent State and the Nat'l. Guard??

 

 

Ummm....no.

 

There isn't anything similar in my mind between these two events so it's kind of crazy to compare the two.

Protest is protest. But I guess the illegal Bundy protest is different than the legal campus protest where shots were fired.

 

dangnabbit, I wanted to be the first to go all "nazi"

[knapplc]

"I guess" there's a difference between Kent St. and Bundy? "I guess?"

 

Do you "guess" that there's a difference between a guy using his debit card at an ATM and a guy robbing the bank? Or do you see those as similar things?

[BigRedBuster]

Federal agents were there to take care of a criminal action taking place by a guy who refused to remove his cattle from land he didn't own. Those agents were there doing their job. Protesters showed up and I would not put it past any of those type of protesters to harm federal agents if those federal agents were not armed heavily. No shots were fired and nobody got killed on either side.

 

Compare that to students protesting a war on a campus of a school where they were attending and the National Guard went in and tried to break up a protest where no previous criminal action was taking place and shots were fired and kids were killed.

 

Now....you can try to compare those two situations if you want but there is a HUGE difference in my book.

[rawhide]

"I guess" there's a difference between Kent St. and Bundy? "I guess?"

 

Do you "guess" that there's a difference between a guy using his debit card at an ATM and a guy robbing the bank? Or do you see those as similar things?

or did you mean ebt

 

Actually, I stated it wrong. The Kent State protest was illegal per the college. The college did not approve students gathering on campus to protest the war.

[knapplc]

I meant exactly what I said, and I don't have to backtrack because I "stated it wrong."

[rawhide]

Oh yeah, metaphors.

[EbylHusker]

Midnight, you're being ganged up on because you're wrong. Plain and simple. When you suddenly find a lot of people disagreeing with you, instead of crying, "I'm being oppressed, why are you doing this to me?" you might want to consider that you're just wrong. The rest of your posts aren't even worth addressing.

 

Edit - Oh wait, I will say one thing. The fact that Reid is a piece of sh#t doesn't change that the land in question has nothing to do with the land for the solar project. Court rulings hav confirmed that, depsite what you want to believe, the federal government has always owned the lands in question. There is absolutely no link to the solar project as I have already shown.

[carlfense]

Who issued threats? Do you have a link showing that a direct "threat" was issued? So, you're cool with designating certain areas as 1st amendment zones but restritcting free speech in others?

 

Again, this is not about the rancher who is very likely a douche bag. This is about the Fed's way over cooked response.

It's strange to me that you're so intent on focusing on "the Fed's way over cooked response" and equally intent on ignoring how entirely insane it is for various militia/freedom/bagger groups to rally, literally with guns drawn, to aid this criminal.

[carlfense]

Yes, I know they were put up when the word got out and folks began showing up. Know of a few people whom were/are on the ground there. And to shut down roads specifically to keep people out is garbage. The gov't does not "own" anything, they rent it from the citizens of our Republic.

 

How could it be criminal trespassing if the gov doesn't own the land? Again, the gov can not and does not "own" anything.

Now it makes sense. Which are you affiliated with? Posse comitatus or the sovereign citizens?

 

I trust that next you'll be telling us about the UCC and flags of admiralty.

 

I answered your questions, why won't you answer mine? Are you cool with the heavy handed, armed repsonse by the feds? Why did they pull out when they did?

Yes. An armed response is an entirely appropriate response to threats (and continued criminal action) from an individual.

 

Why did they pull out when they did? My guess is because they're going to wait until the various militia crazies go home and then they'll go back and finish the job. Let's hope that the Bundy's don't open fire.

[carlfense]

The feds don't own that land, we do.

Could you elaborate?

[carlfense]

I would rather have the feds go in with a show of force than to go in ill prepared and have some friggen idiot shoot or harm federal agents that are just doing their jobs and want to go home to their families at the end of the day.

kinda like Kent State and the Nat'l. Guard??

 

 

Ummm....no.

 

There isn't anything similar in my mind between these two events so it's kind of crazy to compare the two.

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