When will Trump get impeached?

[NM11046]

1.  Flagrant, ongoing violation of the Emouluments Clause.  Article 1 of the Constitution.

[zoogs]

"and the norms of American governance?"

 

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

[GBR0988]

37 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

1.  Flagrant, ongoing violation of the Emouluments Clause.  Article 1 of the Constitution.

Examples? Not saying you’re incorrect, just wondering.

16 minutes ago, zoogs said:

"and the norms of American governance?"

 

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

Not really an answer. 

[RedDenver]

40 minutes ago, GBR0988 said:

Not a huge fan of Trump, the person, but I am a fan of government de-regulation and a rising gdp. This is not an original question, but what has Trump done that violates constitutional rule of law and the norms of American governance?

Here's a few different times Trump has criminally obstructed:

• Asking Mueller to stop the investigation into Flynn
• Firing Mueller for investigating the Trump campaign
• Saying that he wouldn't have made Sessions AG if he'd known Session would recuse himself from same investigation
• Asking multiple members of Congress to end the same investigation

[RedDenver]

3 minutes ago, GBR0988 said:

Examples? Not saying you’re incorrect, just wondering.

Here's a video about it, there's plenty of stuff if you google "trump breaks emoluments clause"

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/12/emoluments-clause-trump-accused-of-violating-constitution.html

[NM11046]

These he hasnt' actually been able to get laws changed, but he's laid groundwork and attempted:

 

2. Suggestions to shut down the Freedom of Press (ongoing in the US but recently pushed his agenda on this across international lines).  First Amendment.

3.  Attempts to violate the Free Exercise Clause when he targets mosques to be shut down.  First Amendment (religious liberty)

4.  Use of Cruel & Unusual Punishment.  Eighth Amendment.  Waterboarding, killing terrorists' families, sending people to Guantanomo.

5.  His muslim ban hits a lot of Amendments.

6.  His ongoing attempts to lesson the checks and balances of our governing powers by hiring, firing, controlling, lying etc.

 

And now I'm with Zoogs.  If you like all the typical free market stuff of the GOP fine, but you can't honestly tell me that this is the guy that you've signed up for and that you're happy with where he has gotten the US during his short tenure.  He is a dangerous man.

[NM11046]

I'll let you take a listen/gander at the link below where the ethics lawyers from the past two administrations weigh in.  It's a good overview and there are a number of specific examples - it was what made it all make sense for me.

 

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/19/510574687/ethics-lawyers-call-trumps-business-conflicts-nakedly-unconstitutional

 

[GBR0988]

8 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Here's a few different times Trump has criminally obstructed:

• Asking Mueller to stop the investigation into Flynn
• Firing Mueller for investigating the Trump campaign
• Saying that he wouldn't have made Sessions AG if he'd known Session would recuse himself from same investigation
• Asking multiple members of Congress to end the same investigation

Asking....Saying....Asking

[NM11046]

GBR - out of curiosity, have you felt his administration has done good things that you've benefitted from or supported?  Are you concerned about anything that's happened?  Do the former outweigh the later?  I'd love to better understand, I am really struggling to appreciate how there are still people believing in him and defending his daily actions.  And it goes beyond the tweets.

[NM11046]

3 minutes ago, GBR0988 said:

Asking....Saying....Asking

To clarify, all those actions could really be summed up as OBSTRUCTION.

Edited December 2, 2017 by NM11046

[RedDenver]

6 minutes ago, GBR0988 said:

Asking....Saying....Asking

Yes, that's obstruction by the President of the United States. Would it be more convincing coming from a Republican? Here's George W. Bush's own White House ethics lawyer Richard Painter:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/344894-bush-ethics-lawyer-i-wish-trump-could-go-one-week-without

 

A quote from that link:

Quote

"I would like to have one week from this White House where they don't engage in a new act of obstruction of justice,” Painter said on MSNBC’s "All In" with Chris Hayes.

 

Edited December 2, 2017 by RedDenver
added Richard Painter's name

[GBR0988]

7 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

These he hasnt' actually been able to get laws changed, but he's laid groundwork and attempted:

 

2. Suggestions to shut down the Freedom of Press (ongoing in the US but recently pushed his agenda on this across international lines).  First Amendment.

3.  Attempts to violate the Free Exercise Clause when he targets mosques to be shut down.  First Amendment (religious liberty)

4.  Use of Cruel & Unusual Punishment.  Eighth Amendment.  Waterboarding, killing terrorists' families, sending people to Guantanomo.

5.  His muslim ban hits a lot of Amendments.

6.  His ongoing attempts to lesson the checks and balances of our governing powers by hiring, firing, controlling, lying etc.

 

And now I'm with Zoogs.  If you like all the typical free market stuff of the GOP fine, but you can't honestly tell me that this is the guy that you've signed up for and that you're happy with where he has gotten the US during his short tenure.  He is a dangerous man.

2. That’s laughable. Him joking about how dishonest the media is is hardly him actually trying to shut down the free press. 

 

3. If certain mosques want to implement sharia, I have no problem with this. Governments job is to protect its citizens.

 

4. See my response to #3. Also while I don’t support torture, constitutional rights only apply to Americans.

 

5. See my response to #s 3 and 4.

 

6. Didn’t Obama regularly do these things....like using the IRS to target conservatives. Not saying it’s okay for Trump to do these things, but I didnt hear anyone on the left complaining about Obama.

[GBR0988]

8 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

GBR - out of curiosity, have you felt his administration has done good things that you've benefitted from or supported?  Are you concerned about anything that's happened?  Do the former outweigh the later?  I'd love to better understand, I am really struggling to appreciate how there are still people believing in him and defending his daily actions.  And it goes beyond the tweets.

Trump saying stupid things is disconcerting, but not nearly as dangerous as people who don’t like him seem to believe. I think an uptick in the economy helps everyone. I can deal with a guy who says stupid things over a corrupt career politician who is shaky on the first and second amendments, and an actual socialist who spent his honeymoon in the Soviet Union.

[GBR0988]

17 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

I'll let you take a listen/gander at the link below where the ethics lawyers from the past two administrations weigh in.  It's a good overview and there are a number of specific examples - it was what made it all make sense for me.

 

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/19/510574687/ethics-lawyers-call-trumps-business-conflicts-nakedly-unconstitutional

 

So is this better?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hacked-emails-show-extent-of-foreign-government-donations-to-clinton-foundation/2016/10/16/ce871a82-9319-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html?utm_term=.72677dfa74a0

[RedDenver]

3 minutes ago, GBR0988 said:

Trump saying stupid things is disconcerting, but not nearly as dangerous as people who don’t like him seem to believe. I think an uptick in the economy helps everyone. I can deal with a guy who says stupid things over a corrupt career politician who is shaky on the first and second amendments, and an actual socialist who spent his honeymoon in the Soviet Union.

You realize the guy who says stupid things is against the 1st Amendment, not just shaky on it?

 

https://www.cjr.org/covering_trump/trump-nbc.php