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4 minutes ago, Husker in WI said:

I don't disagree, it's good to get some nearby projects and I think they're more likely overall to contribute. Aren't 3 of those guys committed as walk ons? They're willing to join the the team and work for a scholarship, a kid from SC isn't going to come halfway across the country without one. This way we get both.

 

There's also a difference between a project that could turn into a great tackle and a project who can only play Guard. Fritzche is athletic enough to be a great Tackle - obviously that's not guaranteed, but it's a possibility. Nothing against the walk-on commits, but who was the last walk-on Tackle who contributed in a big way? We've churned out some really good Centers and Guards, not any Tackles that I can recall.

Who was the last TE turned Tackle that contributed in a big way?

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17 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

Who was the last TE turned Tackle that contributed in a big way?

 

Well, we're going to have (basically) two of them next year - three if we get this guy - so we'll see how it works out.

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2 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Well, we're going to have (basically) two of them next year - three if we get this guy - so we'll see how it works out.

That didn't answer the question.  But thanks 

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18 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

Who was the last TE turned Tackle that contributed in a big way?

 

Also...

 

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When Robert Gallery was chosen 2nd overall in the 2004 NFL Draft, he was a rarity at that time, a high school tight end being drafted to play offensive tackle. Gallery may not have been the first ever, but he did seem to kick off a modern era where colleges look more for frame and athleticism than sheer weight and size when it comes to offensive line recruits. 

 

Joe Staley "cried his eyes out" over being moved from tight end to offensive tackle as a freshman at Central Michigan. He is now a Pro Bowl tackle for the San Francisco 49ers and due to make over 8 million dollars this year. The move is still met with some resistance from young men, but stories like those and the plentiful examples in the Big Ten should be enough to convince prospective tackles that the move is promotion, not a demotion.

 

COLE CHEWINS - Michigan State (6-8, 264 - Clarkston, Mich.)
BEAU BENZSCHAWEL - Wisconsin (6-6, 308 - Grafton, Wis.)
BLAKE HANCE - Northwestern (6-5, 300 - Jacksonville, Ill.)
COY CRONK - Indiana (6-5, 305 - Lafayette, Ind.)
IKE BOETTGER - Iowa (6-6, 300 - Cedar Falls, Iowa)
BOONE MYERS - Iowa (6-5, 300 - Webster City, Iowa)
CHRISTIAN DiLAURO - Illinois (6-5, 300 - Uniontown, Ohio)

 

THE NEXT GENERATION (2018 Class)
Ryan Hayes, Traverse City (Mich.) West - committed to Michigan
Jack Plumb, Bay Port (Wis.) - committed to Iowa
Julian Pearl, Danville (Ill.) - committed to Illinois

 

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2 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Also...

 

 

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Did you read any of the conversation or did you just jump in so you could try to show how you can prove someone wrong?

 

We were discussing NEBRASKA.  Husker in WI asked who was the last walk on to contribute as a tackle in a big way.  And that's when I asked my question.  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

 

Did you read any of the conversation or did you just jump in so you could try to show how you can prove someone wrong?

 

We were discussing NEBRASKA.  Husker in WI asked who was the last walk on to contribute as a tackle in a big way.  And that's when I asked my question.  

 

 

I don't understand. He posted an article that answered your question:

31 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

Who was the last TE turned Tackle that contributed in a big way?

Or are you trying to say that TE turned OT trends are only relevant for Nebraska under different coaches than we have today? That seems ridiculous.

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9 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

Did you read any of the conversation or did you just jump in so you could try to show how you can prove someone wrong?

 

We were discussing NEBRASKA.  Husker in WI asked who was the last walk on to contribute as a tackle in a big way.  And that's when I asked my question.  

 

So if it's never happened at Nebraska it can't happen?  We can't try anything that's proved to work other places?

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1 minute ago, RedDenver said:

I don't understand. He posted an article that answered your question:

Or are you trying to say that TE turned OT trends are only relevant for Nebraska under different coaches than we have today? That seems ridiculous.

 

I wasn't saying anything.  Husker in WI asked when was the last walk on to contribute significantly at Tackle at Nebraska.  I asked when the last TE converted to Tackle that contributed significantly at Nebraska.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

So if it's never happened at Nebraska it can't happen?  We can't try anything that's proved to work other places?

Why aren't you posting names of players that were once walk on tackles at other places that did great things later to prove Husker in WI wrong?

 

Or is it you just pick and choose who you argue with?

 

And we ARE trying it here.  Remember?  We are taking one of the most athletic HS football players in recent history in the state of Nebraska and making him a Center.

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Just now, StPaulHusker said:

Why aren't you posting names of players that were once walk on tackles at other places that did great things later to prove Husker in WI wrong?

 

Or is it you just pick and choose who you argue with?

 

You're the one who was arguing with him about that.  If you're going to argue, why don't you come up with your own evidence to show him that he's wrong?

 

It took me five seconds on Google to show that your little retort was just trying to be argumentative.  Then instead of admitting that it happens fairly often, now you've resorted to attacking the poster.  Good work.

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2 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

You're the one who was arguing with him about that.  If you're going to argue, why don't you come up with your own evidence to show him that he's wrong?

 

It took me five seconds on Google to show that your little retort was just trying to be argumentative.  Then instead of admitting that it happens fairly often, now you've resorted to attacking the poster.  Good work.

HE asked ME when who was the last NEBRAKSA walkon tackle to contribute significantly.  Why would I think about any other college in my question back to him?

 

You just don't like it when people have an opinion that you don't like and choose to attack that person.  You didn't bother to read the discussion. You just like to try to own people. It's pretty sad that a mod behaves this way.

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2 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

HE asked ME when who was the last NEBRAKSA walkon tackle to contribute significantly.  Why would I think about any other college in my question back to him?

 

You just don't like it when people have an opinion that you don't like and choose to attack that person.  You didn't bother to read the discussion. You just like to try to own people. It's pretty sad that a mod behaves this way.

 

Yes, he asked you.  Rather than answer his question, you just shot back one of your own.  You didn't want to have to actually defend your position, just argue with someone who was asking you a question.

 

I did not attack anyone.  I responded with facts to a question being asked.  The fact that you view that kind of a response as an attack on you says a lot about what you are trying to accomplish.

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3 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

HE asked ME when who was the last NEBRAKSA walkon tackle to contribute significantly.  Why would I think about any other college in my question back to him?

 

You just don't like it when people have an opinion that you don't like and choose to attack that person.  You didn't bother to read the discussion. You just like to try to own people. It's pretty sad that a mod behaves this way.

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Just now, Mavric said:

 

Yes, he asked you.  Rather than answer his question, you just shot back one of your own.

 

I did not attack anyone.  I responded with facts to a question being asked.  The fact that you view that kind of a response as an attack on you says a lot about what you are trying to accomplish.

You offered zero facts about Nebraska.  Which was the discussion.  

 

And since you're a mod, you get to decide when you are attacking or trolling people and there's nothing that can be done.  

 

 

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7 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

HE asked ME when who was the last NEBRAKSA walkon tackle to contribute significantly.  Why would I think about any other college in my question back to him?

 

You just don't like it when people have an opinion that you don't like and choose to attack that person.  You didn't bother to read the discussion. You just like to try to own people. It's pretty sad that a mod behaves this way.

 

 

It’s not relevant whether at Nebraska a TE ever converted to OT, because Scott Frost wasn’t the head coach before. What Mavric posted was about as relevant to the conversation as you can get. If it never happened at Nebraska before it might be because no one tried, and it might be no one tried because they didn’t play this style of offense before.

 

FWIW, and I’ve argued plenty with Mavric before, I didn’t find it to be an attack or troll at all.

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Cole Conrad and Sam Hahn were both walk-ons that ended up starting at tackle for us recently. The most recent TE/DE to tackle that we had was Mike Smith in 2010 and Chris Patrick in 2006.

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1 minute ago, seaofred92 said:

don't be my first victim SPH

If you decide to suspend or ban me, so be it.  It's not like I can do anything about it. 

1 minute ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

It’s not relevant whether at Nebraska a TE ever converted to OT, because Scott Frost wasn’t the head coach before. What Mavric posted was about as relevant to the conversation as you can get. If it never happened at Nebraska before it might be because no one tried, and it might be no one tried because they didn’t play this style of offense before.

 

FWIW, and I’ve argued plenty with Mavric before, I didn’t find it to be an attack or troll at all.

Then why was it relevant to ask about walk on tackles?

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I'd be willing to open up my argument to teams other than Nebraska, I'm just not really familiar with other teams walk-ons. So far I've really only found 2 great walk-on Tackles, both in the late 90s - Brian Burlsworth at Arkansas and Levi Jones at Arizona State. It is a fair point that Nebraska has had very few TE turned Tackles or walk-on Tackles. Kind of an interesting subject if this gets split off into it's own thread but since we're potentially taking both this class, I'm not really concerned. I'd rather use scholarships for the higher ceiling, although obviously you have to balance that against how likely it is.

 

So it is possible, but I think it still boils down to Fritzche having athletic potential that the nearby lineman prospects do not. Add in the fact that they will walk-on and he most likely wouldn't, and I'm ok with the offer.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

And since you're a mod, you get to decide when you are attacking or trolling people and there's nothing that can be done.  

 

Where did I attack you?

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1 minute ago, StPaulHusker said:

 Then why was it relevant to ask about walk on tackles?

 

 

A TE can be converted to an OT anywhere and used as an example that it can be done if the person was a good OT on a good OL.

 

Nebraska walk ons are Nebraska walk ons, and our walk on program isn’t like most other walk on programs. We have a huge walk on population to pull from. If it hasn’t happend here (I have no idea) then chances are decent it hasn’t happened other places. But even then if you’re looking at other places it’s important to know how good their line was in general just like with the TE to OT move. 

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25 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

Why aren't you posting names of players that were once walk on tackles at other places that did great things later to prove Husker in WI wrong?

 

Or is it you just pick and choose who you argue with?

 

And we ARE trying it here.  Remember?  We are taking one of the most athletic HS football players in recent history in the state of Nebraska and making him a Center.

 

Yes, I know we're trying.  I mentioned that above.  But when I did all you responded with was the snarky

 

44 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

That didn't answer the question.  But thanks 

 

Easy to get lost when you're not really trying to have a discussion.

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Cole Conrad and Sam Hahn were both walk-ons that ended up starting at tackle for us recently. The most recent TE/DE to tackles that we had were Mike Smith in 2010 and Chris Patrick in 2006.

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1 minute ago, The_Fan_Man said:

Cole Conrad and Sam Hahn were both walk-ons that ended up starting at tackle for us recently. The most recent TE/DE to tackles that we had were Mike Smith in 2010 and Chris Patrick in 2006.

Bad examples:  Both Conrad & Hahn were well below standards for a good D1 line.

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Just now, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Bad examples:  Both Conrad & Hahn were well below standards for a good D1 line.

 

In that case...the last walk-on to All-Conference tackle I can think of is Adam Treu.

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3 minutes ago, The_Fan_Man said:

 

 

In that case...the last walk-on to All-Conference tackle I can think of is Adam Treu.

I'm sure there were some walkons during the Osbourn era, but they earned scholarships if they were on the 2 deep.  Don't know if they still do that as we have less schollies available.

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1 hour ago, StPaulHusker said:

HE asked ME when who was the last NEBRAKSA walkon tackle to contribute significantly.  Why would I think about any other college in my question back to him?

 

You just don't like it when people have an opinion that you don't like and choose to attack that person.  You didn't bother to read the discussion. You just like to try to own people. It's pretty sad that a mod behaves this way.

 

Have to say that this is a top 5 post by StPaulHusker

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