TGHusker Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, BigRedN said: King of Kings - Brooke Ligertwood King of Kings - Lyrics In the darkness, we were waiting Without hope, without light 'Til from Heaven You came running There was mercy in Your eyes To fulfill the law and prophets To a virgin came the Word From a throne of endless glory To a cradle in the dirt Praise the Father, praise the Son Praise the Spirit, three in one God of glory, Majesty Praise forever to the King of Kings To reveal the kingdom coming And to reconcile the lost To redeem the whole creation You did not despise the cross For even in Your suffering You saw to the other side Knowing this was our salvation Jesus for our sake You died Praise the Father, praise the Son Praise the Spirit, three in one God of glory, Majesty Praise forever to the King of Kings And the morning that You rose All of Heaven held its breath 'Til that stone was moved for good For the Lamb had conquered death And the dead rose from their tombs And the angels stood in awe For the souls of all who'd come To the Father are restored And the church of Christ was born Then the Spirit lit the flame Now this gospel truth of old Shall not kneel, shall not faint By His blood and in His name In His freedom I am free For the love of Jesus Christ Who has resurrected me, oh Praise the Father, praise the Son Praise the Spirit, three in one God of glory, Majesty Praise forever to the King of Kings Praise forever to the King of Kings Great song; Greater Savior Link to comment
funhusker Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1710844,00.html @TGHusker you’ve mentioned NT Wright several times, you’d probably like this interview. @BigRedN I know I’ve rubbed you the wrong way and I apologize for that. But here is my story: i grew up in a Lutheran family. Solid foundation, very loving. I have close family actually in Church leadership. Living well and loving others always took priority. Good morals that can be observed in all religions. These morals and beliefs were to be shared through the life we lived. A living faith is hard and requires work and compromise. It involves admitting I’m wrong even when I was so sure I was right. It requires discomfort to make others comfortable. I posted this interview because it somewhat aligns with my “faith”. There might be a Heaven, but I’m not counting on it. I believe in Jesus and appreciate his teachings, but logic tells me he didn’t raise from the dead (this thread isn’t meant for that debate). My faith insists that we, people of all faiths, should strive to make this world better for all its occupants. Assuming there is no Heaven, this is all we got. My problem with many Christians, even those in my family, is the insistence that our rewards will be in Heaven. If we just accept His grace, all will be well when our time comes. Forgive my French: but what a crock of hooey! IMO: Heaven would be icing on the cake. But Our jobs should focus on fellow humans with the guidance of loving teachings about respect, equality, and sacrifice. Our job is an earthly job. Heaven and the new covenant, if it exists, can wait. I’m sure God would understand. Not sure what I meant to portray with this post, but it felt good to type it out. 1 Link to comment
Landlord Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Jesus seemed much more interested in the kingdom coming down than us ascending to the kingdom, so I don't think you are off base there Link to comment
TGHusker Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 10 hours ago, funhusker said: My problem with many Christians, even those in my family, is the insistence that our rewards will be in Heaven. If we just accept His grace, all will be well when our time comes. Forgive my French: but what a crock of hooey! IMO: Heaven would be icing on the cake. But Our jobs should focus on fellow humans with the guidance of loving teachings about respect, equality, and sacrifice. NT Wright - thanks for the link by the way -I'll listen to it today, says it does matter what we do here and now. That what we do on this earth won't be lost - it is a part of making the new heaven and new earth. Jesus was all about making the kingdom of God come alive here on earth - the parable of the mustard seed is a parable of the kingdom. It starts as a little seed and before long it his huge and provides nourishment and rest for others. That is a description of how the kingdom has grown. The kingdom is represented by individual believers - the church as a whole - wt its flaws but also with God's grace working through it to affect the lives of all in a positive way. The 'secular history' book I'm reading now, Dominion by Tom Holland, documents this very thing. He documents the huge change in the world, for the better, that Christian true faith has made (I'm not talking about American political evangelicalism, or crusades of the past. We are still all fallen men and we still see through a glass dimly in many respects). NT talks about one day the fullness of the new earth will be seen and known and we will be a part of it. Think of 2 circles that interlock. For the Jews the space in between where heaven met earth, that was the temple. But now, with the coming of Jesus, the temple was 'fulfilled' in him and He has become that space where heaven intersects wt earth. And because we, as believers are 'His Body' we are in that space and bring 'heaven to earth' by doing those good works (gold, silver, bronze as Paul says) as inspired by Him. Good NT Wright books on the subject: Quote Surprised by Hope or Simply Christianity. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 10 hours ago, funhusker said: @TGHusker you’ve mentioned NT Wright several times, you’d probably like this interview. just read it - good interview - I guess it states what I was trying to say above. Only much better! Link to comment
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