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Andersen spent 2 years there, and walked on his own. Why would he do that? His excuse made no sense. I sure he was forced out. He said it was because of Wisconsin's admissions standards. Oregon St had to buyout his contract for $3M. If he was forced out he should've been able to negotiate that away. Why he left: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24982746/wisconsins-admission-standards-pushed-gary-andersen-to-oregon-state His Oregon State contract with the buyout from Wisky: http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/2395428-155/oregon-states-gary-andersen-signed-his Makes a hell of a lot more sense than 18 months.

Andersen spent 2 years there, and walked on his own.

It took this guy 5 years to come up with his first post, but it's a doozy! 18 months, so, that would be next May. Not football performance related then. Photographed in a compromising situation with a goat? Or GOAT?

You've also got guys like Mike Shula and John Blake and probably many more flame outs on that list as well.

"All time" low? Really?

Texas seems quite a bit similar. Royal was Devaney/Osborne. Not exactly, but definitely The Legend. Akers was Solich. Almost Osborne, in that he was a younger assistant coach somewhat unexpected promoted to the top. Not sure if he faced the same challenges Osborne did with the early staff, but he didn't overcome the challenges and it became more like Solich. Some very good seasons, some not so good, and eventually let go for not living up to The Legend. McWilliams was Solich extended. Another former assistant. One good season but less successful overall. Mackovic was Callahan. The Outsider. Some early successes but didn't fit in. I moved to Austin for a few years a couple years after he was gone and they hated him, but he didn't seem to wreck the program. Brown was where they diverged. He was what we hoped Pelini would've been, at least for awhile. No ties to the program. A lot of success and a championship, though he got fat and the program grew soft and complacent and struggled at the end. Strong is Riley, but only in lack of success. A bigger name hire, more excitement but he's running out of time. People who want Herman or Fuente now would've drooled over Strong from his Louisville record. Did the OU win buy him another season to get his system and his way in? It is different in some ways because Strong has to rebuild from the malaise that Brown left the program in. Riley should have been able to build on Pelini's record without overhauling it. Apparently he does have to rebuild brick-by-brick, but I'm not seeing a plan like Strong has. But Strong may be another guy who just never fits in at Texas.

I wouldn't want to pay his buyout, and I wouldn't want to have to offer him enough to leave Georgia. If he was available though, Richt would be far from the worst hire.

How many such rumors have you heard? I heard it once today, that sounded like someone who mixed him up with Bohl. I've never heard it before. If it was true, and I doubt it was,I'm not sure this would void his contract, so that's not a good counter.

Commence meltdown in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ..

1. USC 2a. Miami 2b. South Carolina 3. Nebraska 4-11. The rest Might be adding Texas onto that list. I would almost put VT ahead of us just for the fact that their program has been solid and basically unchanged for a long time and it might be appealing to a coach. I do think that Bud Foster will take over for Beamer though. I think that I would put VT ahead of us. A lot of talent in the Hampton Roads area. Beamer has been able to pretty much able to lock up that area but can a new coach? UVa, Maryland, ECU, UNC, NC State, and Duke are all closer to Hampton Roads than Virginia Tech. One VT fan friend of mine says that Beamer was never afraid to take a chance on kids of questionable character like the Vick brothers from that area, and hope he could control enough of them them well enough to make it work. Not sure just how accurate that is and whether those kids are any worse from other places, but bottom line, Blacksburg is truly in the middle of nowhere. Great mountain town but I don't know how much of a draw that is.

Please learn to spell "Osborne" before your second post. Please.

Well, keep your foot to the ground and see if you can entertain us with some tall tales again, like last year. Like, Tressel has had another year to miss coaching and now is ready to come, and bring Pelini in as his DC.

Not completely directed at you, but for the love of God: FIRING ANYONE IS NOT A FINANCIAL DECISION. WE HAVE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. You're kidding yourself if you think this isn't primarily a financial decision. Assuming there is money available, this isn't how they want to spend it. But they have to weigh the savings of not firing vs. the loss of revenue if the downward spiral continues. Loss of donor support, ticket sales, merchandise sales, bowl and TV revenue--those are all the factors they are considering. W-L record, championships, and school pride are important primarily to the extent they affect the money coming in. Maybe you can show me in the athletic budget where there is an category for "future contract buy-outs". I doubt there is one. If they decide to fire Riley they will have to shift money around and probably count on booster support. TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS goes away pretty fast when you pay many millions to multiple former coaches. There's not an endless supply of money. I am going to look around and find it, but I know there was an interview with Osborne where he said they put away millions every year into the athletic contingency fund. http://www.omaha.com/huskers/nu-athletics-keeps-millions-of-dollars-in-reserve-to-pay/article_99ea07ec-c468-5143-a30d-86053d140417.html edit: found the article HOWEVER, you are right. It is, ultimately, a financial decision. I know that. You also know what I meant by my comment... That's eye opening. Thanks for finding it. What it doesn't say is how much of that fund they use to cover short falls or other major expenses like the stadium renovation so we don't know how much is really there. Let's do some math. $15M for the last 6 years is $90M if we were able to put that aside every year. If. We're still only getting a partial cut from the BIg 10. Take out $12M for buyouts to Pelini and staff. $25M for the expansion. $7M for the B12 exit penalty. $44M for those 3 alone. $46M left. How much for other overruns? Did the $4.5M to academics come from here, and was that every year, potentially $27M? We don't know any of the other numbers, but the $15M Osborne quoted is a good indication, and I doubt there were too many multi million expenses so maybe the money really is there. The expert quoted was surprised we handled the Pelini buyout so easily, but he doesn't know our number either. I'd guess he has a better feel than you or I, and to absorb another slightly bigger buyout probably would make us flinch. Maybe a little, maybe a lot. Still, you've convinced me that the money is there. I was wrong. There, I said it. But I still say it's not a bottomless pit. Maybe we can do this again, but the next hire damn well better work out. I'm also concerned about the notion going around (not pointing at you) that we just throw whatever money it takes to get the coach we want. For one thing, it's no guarantee. Charlie Strong looked like the Herman or Fuente a couple years ago, and Texas threw the big money to bring him in and they are worse off. And this is after trying to throw even more money at Saban and failing, and I really doubt our money pit is as big as Texas'. There's about a dozen or so schools that will be doing the same thing. So just how much money do you really want to spend? And what if we get a Charlie Strong or Dan Hawkins instead of an Urban Meyer, Nick Saban or Tom Osborne?

Not completely directed at you, but for the love of God: FIRING ANYONE IS NOT A FINANCIAL DECISION. WE HAVE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. You're kidding yourself if you think this isn't primarily a financial decision. Assuming there is money available, this isn't how they want to spend it. But they have to weigh the savings of not firing vs. the loss of revenue if the downward spiral continues. Loss of donor support, ticket sales, merchandise sales, bowl and TV revenue--those are all the factors they are considering. W-L record, championships, and school pride are important primarily to the extent they affect the money coming in. Maybe you can show me in the athletic budget where there is an category for "future contract buy-outs". I doubt there is one. If they decide to fire Riley they will have to shift money around and probably count on booster support. TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS goes away pretty fast when you pay many millions to multiple former coaches. There's not an endless supply of money.

I missed that analogy wherever he posted it before, but it seems far from perfect. Knapp is financially motivated to not type that sentence. How are the players motivated to not do what they are coached? I'll buy that many are under-motivated by the staff, but how are they anti-motivated?

1995 was right. It's the overreaction thread. Have at it.

Obviously never, because 12 game regular seasons are a pretty recent thing. Do you feel good now that you've found something bad we've never done before? How can anyone feel good? We don't that's why we're frustrated. People seem to be going out of their way to make a bad situation seem even worse. We've actually had some 1 and 2 loss seasons, so this really isn't rock bottom, but whatever. What? Are you seriously comparing a 1 or 2 loss season to the abysmal 3-9 we will be expected to finsih? You are in the over reaction thread and you want to talk optimism, lol. No, of course I meant 1 or 2 win seasons.

Obviously never, because 12 game regular seasons are a pretty recent thing. Do you feel good now that you've found something bad we've never done before? How can anyone feel good? We don't that's why we're frustrated. People seem to be going out of their way to make a bad situation seem even worse. We've actually had some 1 and 2 loss seasons, so this really isn't rock bottom, but whatever.

Hey, Beamer is available! We should hire him!

Haha! End thread. He was #3 earlier today before being fired. You're looking at the expanded rating list. I'm not sure why he is still showing up at #60 on there, but he was indeed #3 earlier today before being removed from the top 30 list altogether after his firing (the guys at the top of the page with the accompanying photos). As a result everyone but Riley and Richt moved up on the list, and Kingsbury earned a spot in the top 30. I was about to say, Chow has been near the top 10 ever since the end of his first year at Hawaii OK, he must've moved Hawaii to the neutral position as a placeholder for the new coach but didn't remove Chow's name. I hadn't been paying attention to the hot seat. I really didn't think Riley was on it his first year and I still don't think he's #1, but he's probably up there.

The site has Norm Chow at #60. And Chow was just canned from Hawaii today.

You doinked ndobney's wife while she was sleeping? Whoa. Carl, is that you? Anyway, I'm surprised Strong isn't #1. wait what?!?!? Just having fun with vague pronouns. No offense intended.

You doinked ndobney's wife while she was sleeping? Whoa. Carl, is that you? Anyway, I'm surprised Strong isn't #1.

You are pulling these numbers completely out of thin air. Last year the Sagarin ratings had us 29th. 2013 we were 38th, 2012 we were 22nd, 2011 we were 25th, 2010 we were 27th. That puts us at 28.2 from 2010-2014. Which makes sense considering we usually hovered just outside the top 25 in the polls. Today we are suddenly ranked #54 just a few spots above Texas. You can't just come out and say we averaged around 40, when we hovered around the top 25. This season is bad, and it's on the coaches there's no getting around that. Also the recruiting rankings say that dramatic upgrade isn't coming anytime soon under this staff. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2015/team/ He's the guy who also claims Reggie Bush paid his own airfare to visit Lincoln, but Solich wouldn't offer him. So yeah, 84huskerlaw makes stuff up and should be disbarred, if he even passed the bar.

Obviously never, because 12 game regular seasons are a pretty recent thing. Do you feel good now that you've found something bad we've never done before?