Guy Chamberlin

Last night CNN commentator was saying this bombshell might just be the turning point for the Trump presidency and campaign. I had to laugh. How many jaw-dropping turning points have we already had over the last four years? Is it even the worst thing he said this week? And didn't Trump drop the "My heroes don't get captured" line on John McCain before his fans elected him?

I don't think there's a political conspiracy, but there's certainly some truth to the various cancelations following a general red/blue trend.

They only have enough people for four letters, counselor.

Or just skip that impossible task and digest this: https://evonomics.com/economists-agree-democratic-presidents-better-making-us-rich-eight-reasons/

Let's flip this. Can you find legit economic data that DOESN'T show Donald Trump joining a low-unemployment, robust construction, bull market economy on election day and simply riding it?

Honestly, Barack Obama lost me when he started naming his cabinet, and I realized Hope and Change was going to remain just a slogan. I knew Hillary Clinton was vastly preferable to Donald Trump, but.....why did it have to be Hillary? And now at the most pivotal moment in our lifetimes, needing to energize the generation that will inherit our mess, the inclusive and dynamic Democrats huddle around Joe Biden, based only on the hunch that his moderation won't scare away people who had no intention of voting Democrat anyway. Again, every progressive I know will vote for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. The understanding is that Biden is more likable than Hillary, and Donald Trump is even worse than he was in 2016, but if that doesn't translate into Democratic victory the DNC will have to do the soul-searching. Not the progressives. They should probably do some soul searching if they win, too, but I'm not betting on it.

Facebook is full of Trump apologists angrily demanding that Blacks just comply politely with police so all this unpleasantness goes away. Blue Lives Matter isn't so much about defending cops as it is discrediting Black Lives Matter. None of the people posting fraudulent pro-cop, anti-Black memes think they're racist. Looking for an appropriate response I came across this video. It's already four years old and the situation has only gotten worse, but the case it makes is pretty damning:

I kinda agree. I think there was a genuine attempt to bring progressives into the tent after Biden secured the nomination, and by genuine I think they did the math and realized they would need their votes. Healthcare, criminal justice, education and the environment might well do better under a Biden administration than they would have under Obama or a theoretical Hillary administration, although nothing will be done remotely as big or radical as under Roosevelt or Kennedy/Johnson, who still enjoy status as Democrat standard bearers. When Joe holds forth on police corruption by saying cops could shoot suspects in the leg instead of the back, assures Wall Street that nothing will change in his administration, or as he did just last week remind conservative critics that he still backs fracking, it does give you pause. Sometimes you can build consensus from the middle of the road, sometimes you just get run over by a truck.

FWIW....there is a Socialist Party in America promoting its socialist agenda. It has around 1,000 members and has already nominated Howie Hawkins as its candidate for President in 2020. One might conclude that the term "socialist!" gets thrown around a tad recklessly in this election.

Theres a lot of frustration that Biden is the face of the Democratic Party in 2020, but that hardly translates into preference for Trump.

During the last midterms, Nancy Pelosi put her foot down: the DNC would blackball any candidate or campaign manager who ran a primary against an incumbent Democrat. This year she endorsed empty suit Joe Kennedy in his challenge to incumbent Ed Markey, a likable progressive Democrat. There are not many members of the current Democratic leadership I'll miss.

Progressives tend to appeal to the moral high ground; speaking for voiceless people facing needless oppression, against tyranny and wealth inequity, for science and for the Earth itself. As well they should. But it tends to get them labelled as hopeless dreamers, hippies and weaklings by the conservative forces, and more than a few Democrats. But progressives actually have a strong economic story, and logic that a true conservative should appreciate. Run the numbers and many of these "socialist giveaways" will have a huge economic return for capitalist enterprises. If detractors can get past the short term sacrifice and selective hatred of government intervention, the long term benefit of a better educated, healthier, and financially protected public is as monetary as it is just. In the case of the environment, we can't afford NOT to go green as soon as possible. Sanders and Warren actually do provide some of the numbers and strategies on their websites, but no one goes digging for them. Many just do a cold stop on Socialism, and frankly some Progressives aren't keen to mollify the 1% — social justice should be reason enough. But the person who can make the surprisingly pragmatic case for Democratic Socialism could bring these solutions into the mainstream.

I honestly thought I was in the P&R Forum when I responded. I'll be more vigilant in the future, but if you pull my last post, please pull the rest in the thread.

46% Remembered the team pretty well, just not the game itself. Knew Ed Periard was very short, knew LSU had a great run defense, and knew Ohio State & Texas lost earlier in the day. The rest was guesswork.

I have never trusted The Warren Report and believe there were several conspirators on that grassy knoll assigned to kill the season.

Not sure what you're saying here. I don't know how many people "got" something prior to COVID, but it's certainly true that pre-existing conditions including asthma, diabetes, obesity, and weakened immune systems contribute greatly to COVID morbidity. But many people are living relatively normal lives with these conditions, so it's not like COVID is the final straw. Influenza works the same way, but is five times less deadly. There's also informed speculation that many COVID deaths were under-reported in the early stages when the spike in pneumonia deaths were probably opportunistic COVID deaths. No doubt some of these pneumonia deaths would have been survivable in previous years. If the debate is whether COVID is better or worse than we thought, I think the answer is clearly yes.

Every single elected Democrat, lamestream media pundit, and Facebook Karen has made the distinction between peaceful daytime protestor and night-time looters and provocateurs. Of course the rioters are not in the loop. Have you ever talked to Northwest anarchist? Their affinity for Biden and Pelosi is roughly zero. The looters are actually a different group than the rioters who are a different group than the protestors, and somewhere in there are the rightwing vigilantes that have gleefully joined in to stoke the race war that has always given them a boner. It's amazing how much space we're giving to a single block in a single city that's still going about its normal business every day.

Well I made it brief because I already agree with what you've stated above. Trump would have won the tough on crime poll six months ago, and now he will benefit from the anarchy in the streets narrative, because even though it is on his watch, it's a pretty easy linkage to the extreme left and the enabling liberals, and a really convenient way to dismiss the whole civil rights and police brutality issue. Biden has had lots of pressure from his own party to apologize for authoring the 1996 crime bill, which he now needs to either hold up as evidence he's not soft on crime, or dismiss in a nuanced conversation about the evolution of criminal justice theory over the last 25 years, and we know how sexy that would be. A lot of white people don't want to believe they're racist or gullible, but they are easily motivated to protect order and privilege. Much more quietly, Donald Trump issued an assurance to suburban white women that he would prevent low income housing (negroes!) from moving into their neighborhoods. It's 1955 again. It's a solid strategy but depressing as hell.

I guess if you’re Liberty University you could go either way.

White fear.

I'm done with logic and numbers. Gut feeling is that Trump has the same legitimate sleeper cell working in his favor that he did in 2016: the people who don't talk to pollsters because they typically don't vote, and the people who lie to pollsters because they'd rather not admit their own racism. They're not going to digest a lot of analysis and nuance. They see rioting in the street and decide to rally around law & order. It's how we got the hugely disliked Richard Nixon and why Trump will likely get reelected.

This has been widely discredited, making the rounds from the QAnon crowd. The CDC has never hidden the fact that COVID fatalities disproportionately affect the more elderly: I think around 80% of fatalities in U.S. are among the 65+ demographic. It's fairly negligible from ages 0 -44, unless you're related to the dead person I suppose, so the legit stats can still be used to support the playing of college football without going off into the conspiracy deep end. You could still make the case that young people who ignore social distancing because they believe themselves immortal could prolong the pandemic in the general population, or put the larger support staff at UNL at risk, and that no doubt influences some of the thinking. But I'm almost certain college football could put together better testing and mitigation than the average meat-packing plant that's allowed to stay open.

Mods? Can we move Roundball's posts over to The Darkness thread, where they're more appropriate?

Know who was a huge Molly Hatchet fan at the time? Nebraska Defensive Coordinator Monte Kiffin. Not actually sure if that's true, but wanted to keep this thread in the Football Forum.

Wonder if they'll find the roach clip I lost there at the Uriah Heep concert.