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I mean I don't want it to sound like it's play from ahead or dysfunctional. They know that long sustained drives like what Iowa/Wisconsin do aren't going to happen with our O. It's just silly to think that you don't structure your team to compliment one another. We're going to count on our O being able to score. That's HCSF's whole thing. It's not like he doesn't know how to coach defense, look at his UNI days. However, at the end of the day, we don't play a ball control offense. Consequently, we're not going to want our D to force teams to grind out yards. You want them to have to play the game we want them to play. Wisconsin does a great job of this, just in the reverse of what we want to be doing.

I think this is exactly right. The D in my opinion is built to play with the lead. I don't think that this is unreasonable given what HCSF has done over his career. It feels like a high risk high reward D that excels when teams have to do things they wouldn't usually do because they're playing from behind. We saw this week what that does to a team. Mills was a little banged up, but do we really think Mazour would be in the game for those last few drives if were weren't down by two scores and needing hands on the field?

I'll also point out we have Betts commited who is 6'2" which isn't massive, but is a bigger guy. By all accounts he's also doing everything he needs to to get on campus.

I don't think this is an either or situation. I think we're also in on some big bodied guys. I think we're still in on Manning, we had Hutchinson and Robinson on campus recently. The staff is going after the people they need, but one of the big problems we've had is guys getting open. Speed is never going to hurt us there.

Going hogwild in Florida. He did tell us to get ready for it.

This feels like a red flag being thrown up. We are not a disciplined defense. We're regularly forgetting where the help comes from and how to adjust. Will be interesting to see what happens on Saturday.

I had a different experience. I felt like the leadership of the program all talked about the goal of making a bowl. I think the media really played up the end of last season. Many of us (including myself to a degree) got really caught up in that. I think it's easy to forget what message was coming from where though.

Yep, I think he's only played in one. Someone will have to double check that for me though. I know he's still under 4.

It is when you're trying to preserve red shirts.

Also, would love if anyone could help me find other instances of single class attrition this high that wasn't accounted for by early entry to the draft. Curious to see if anything else fits this pattern.

I do not disagree about us looking at Minn as a model. I actually think we're on a similar path. That said, I encourage you all to look at another program that is struggling, MSU. I was talking to my father in law today and he brought up how badly they had one class hit by attrition. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/678994002 This is a team that had one aberrition of a year but has mostly been stable. What's interesting is that they have the exact same recruiting class as us also get hit extremely hard. I think this is a good reflection of both what this does to team chemistry but also gives us an outside view of a somewhat similar program or what we hope to be. Our situation was the worst part of Minn and the worst of MSU. I still think we recover and move forward, but I think we need to look at all the relevant comparisons.

I can only hope so. If we're still aiming for 22-23, it means we need to be hitting our LB and WR group hard. One of our LB targets just committed elsewhere, so I expect we'll be going to wherever plan B is. Very curious how we're going to handle LB recruiting.

I agree with you about Rahmir. As for everything else, I think so much of this are factors that make the other factor worse. Yes, our play calling isn't great, but if you don't have the players you can't call the plays. Right now we're seeing the same thing out of 2AM that we saw out of Tanner Lee that drove me nuts. Swing pass, ball at the feet of the receiver. When you can't run certain plays, you get predictable and can't break things for larger gains. This is happening on both sides of the ball where we have limited depth and arguably one good position group on the whole team (secondary). I don't think it's just a players issue, but the players impact the play calling in meaningful ways.

I think it's fair to be critical of him and also recognize that he'll likely be significantly better when he's in his proper position. Regarding the gap year, I'm starting to think that the coaches sticking with UCF hurt us more than we thought. It might help us understand why we have a 2 year gap in recruiting instead of just one. I don't hold it against them, because it got us HCSF who I still think is the right person for the job, but I am leaning towards it extending the rebuild another year. This in turn sucks because we have a much harder schedule moving forward.

I think this is a great example of zooming out to the point it makes it hard to see things. Attrition isn't a big deal, it happens. The problem for us is that the attrition number is not evenly distributed. Further, it seems that the attrition is taking the guys we spent the majority of our resources on (the high 3* and 4* guys). Looking at the article you posted, 2015 and 2016 had 30.95% attrition. Not bad by any means. 2017 and 2018 had 45% attrition rate. While that might not seem the most concerning, you also want to consider context. The sheet you linked eliminated all context, it just said here are the guys transferring out. Us losing the 2017 and 2018 classes means we don't have the young players right now. If I had to guess, I would think that a lot of the attrition on the spreadsheet are guys who were graduate transfers or were late enough in their careers that they knew they would never see the field and ended up quitting. I can't say that for sure, but what I can say for sure is that we don't know if this is the end of us losing players from the 2017 and 2018 class. All teams are hit by this sure, but it's not always concentrated in the same way. Additionally, the context isn't always the same.

Alright folks, back on topic please. If you want to hash it out, go to the shed.

I feel like I should get a cookie for being a week ahead on this. The staff rushed a little with the 2018 class due to the later start than anticipated. The 2019 class is going to be the heart of the rebuild. It's possible that the staff working with UCF late hurt us more than we thought. With that said, I think we can trust the staff now that they have the stability...we just have to be mindful of this as a fanbase. All I can say is that we as a fan base should know it's going to be rough for another year or two and be patient. I have to imagine the staff understand what's going on. They're going to recruit Juco's where appropriate, but they are going to want their guys and for as long as possible. We'll have another year or two of the team being young followed by a roster as usual.

I'm a little worried about NT next year. Little Daniels still doesn't have the endurance we need. We saw what NT trouble does last year. I don't think we want to burn a RS for a player that isn't ready and I don't think Green is a natural NT. The rest of the line is going to be fun I think as long as our strength and conditioning did its job. Robinson's waiting, Wildeman, Rogers. I think we still have some good potential sitting out there. Losing Lamar will hurt, but we've recruited well. I think on Offense, we're going to be looking good. The infusion of talent will help on the line. It's broken, but the guys are young and we'll get some bigger bodies next season. We need a big body WR. If we can bring in Manning, I think we'll finally see the O we've been looking for. I think the biggest question is going to be what happens at LB. We have a lot of incoming guys, but there's going to be some shuffling. I think that next year the problem is our murderers row schedule at the end of the season. OSU, Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minn with no weeks off. My prediction, we start strong, fan base gets too excited, we hit a losing streak at the end of the season, people want the head of a coach.

This was one of those games where the numbers were weird. Putting the ball on the ground doesn't help. The fumble while we were driving in the first is a great example of this. That was just a player panicking and a huge missed block. I made post the other day that we were worse off than we thought rosterwise when frost took over. With that said, I also think we're closer than most people think after today. Our lb aren't great, but we recruited that position really well last year. The game plan was to exploit the slot and they did all game. Our OL is really young and our DL is where our OL was last year. Except I think we're better positioned for the turnover on the DL. We need depth and we need a few key positions to be filled (big body wr, NT). The rest of the positions we have the bodies. Just need time still.

Oh absolutely. I'm very optimistic about this staff. I think my point was more that if you look at Bama/Clemson, they just have SO and Fr all over the place. I think we will regularly have a few guys in that group playing for us, but they're probably not going to ever really be the meat of the team, even if they are the stars of the team.

For me, this season has been very eye opening with regard to the players on the team and player management. While our recruiting hasn't been bad lately, our turnover is absurd. I think most of it makes sense, that is to say I'm not concerned, but I think I had been optimistic than was warranted. My concerns focused a lot on the lines, I regularly came to the board to argue this, but the numbers overall are rough. I'm not going to look at 2019's class yet, but the three classes before that were hit hard. 2015: Many players gone via graduation these are the RS SRs. But for context, on D or O, we have 5 of these guys on the 2 deep, one of which is a walk-on. 2016: 13 of 21 players from the class are still around (rJR or SR) 12 on the 2 deep 2017: 10 of 20 (rSO or JR) 8 on the 2 deep 2018: 15 of 24 (rFr or SO) 9 on the 2 deep (subject to change) 2019: Still being evaluated (Fr) 4 on the 2 deep Left out transfers and Juco guys. That's 58% roughly of the classes still playing for us. That's adding 38 scholarship players over the 3 years that should be making up the core of our team. Notably these players were recruiting to play other positions frequently. It feels like skill players have by and large been able to navigate this better, but it's certainly a problem as it relates to our line play and our LB. While I don't think I have any huge point to make, I think it's important that we take performance in context. The top FR and SO in the country can come in and start, we're not able to recruit those guys in a consistent way. We're going to be more of a Wisconsin style team in our recruiting than a Bama. That means we should see lots of RS JRs and above starting for us, with the occasional FR and SO doing work. I think realistically what that means is we've got another year or 2 of inconsistent play in the fold as we fix the culture and get the right players. It was never an overnight fix. It just happens to be worse than most of us anticipated.

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