Anyone happen to flip past Ernie Chambers talking last night about Suh?

[junior4949]

I agree with everything knapplc is saying. I know someone that worked with Chambers for quite a while that will say the exact same thing. The people that voted him in have seen their standard of living go down rather than up after having Chambers serve them. He's probably the most rascist person in Nebraska. A person like him in SW Nebraska would be called all hat and no cattle!

[sd'sker]

The voice crying out in the wilderness will always be dismissed as unworthy and harmful by the status quo.

 

Was not his district already in poverty? When we say "his constituents" we might all know who we are talking about right? Do you really think any legislation aimed at benefiting his constituency has a chance of being passed in NE?

One could argue his constituency benefited from having such a loud voice from their district.

 

The guy has gone too far more than once but that is what it takes to propel possible change down the road.

 

The level of poverty grew under Chambers, it didn't decrease. The breeding ground for the gang violence we see today grew under Chambers.

 

And your question of whether "any legislation aimed at benefiting his constituency has a chance of being passed in NE" smacks of washing the whole state as racist, which it most certainly is not. Nor are the senators elected to the Unicam all racists. It is exactly that kind of broad-brush painting that gave Chambers such a bad name around here.

 

One could argue his constituency benefited from having such a loud voice from their district? Really? Exactly how have they benefited? I would really like to know that, because from what I can see, they've been hamstrung by a wholly ineffective representative. I would love to know how they benefited from Chambers' representation.

 

The problem with Chambers was that he was more bombast than brilliant. He never learned the truth of "you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." Chambers was all vinegar, all the time, and his district suffered and still suffers to this day because he was more concerned with having parks named after himself than in providing proper representation.

 

Increasing poverty and gang violence seems a little much to lay at his feet. I don't think he is that powerful. Nor do you from your arguments. If it got worse during his time than he certainly has a part in it.

 

Better because the community he represented was in fact represented by a black man that wouldn't act white. Not a financial gain but an image one perhaps? Maybe not too thus the way I phrased my point.

 

Agree about the flies and vinegar thus my next post.

 

Racism is not wearing a white hood or burning crosses. It is far more subtle than that and I do believe that it is rooted in the NE way of life. People tend to see those that aren't white conservative Christians (conservative Christian is the biggest oxymoron of the current America) as lesser than or weirdos. At least they did in the town I grew up in. I don't expect people to agree with this but it is how I see it.

 

The thing about parks named after him just makes him typical. I do wonder how many parks in NE are named after someone not of Anglo decent.

 

BTW- I love this kind of thing. At some point I do need to get to work but I'm in for a while.

i'm actually taking a law exam right now, so i haven't been able to give it my all. and i really need to concentrate on this test.

[macroboy]

The voice crying out in the wilderness will always be dismissed as unworthy and harmful by the status quo.

 

Was not his district already in poverty? When we say "his constituents" we might all know who we are talking about right? Do you really think any legislation aimed at benefiting his constituency has a chance of being passed in NE?

One could argue his constituency benefited from having such a loud voice from their district.

 

The guy has gone too far more than once but that is what it takes to propel possible change down the road.

 

The level of poverty grew under Chambers, it didn't decrease. The breeding ground for the gang violence we see today grew under Chambers.

 

And your question of whether "any legislation aimed at benefiting his constituency has a chance of being passed in NE" smacks of washing the whole state as racist, which it most certainly is not. Nor are the senators elected to the Unicam all racists. It is exactly that kind of broad-brush painting that gave Chambers such a bad name around here.

 

One could argue his constituency benefited from having such a loud voice from their district? Really? Exactly how have they benefited? I would really like to know that, because from what I can see, they've been hamstrung by a wholly ineffective representative. I would love to know how they benefited from Chambers' representation.

 

The problem with Chambers was that he was more bombast than brilliant. He never learned the truth of "you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." Chambers was all vinegar, all the time, and his district suffered and still suffers to this day because he was more concerned with having parks named after himself than in providing proper representation.

 

Increasing poverty and gang violence seems a little much to lay at his feet. I don't think he is that powerful. Nor do you from your arguments. If it got worse during his time than he certainly has a part in it.

 

Better because the community he represented was in fact represented by a black man that wouldn't act white. Not a financial gain but an image one perhaps? Maybe not too thus the way I phrased my point.

 

Agree about the flies and vinegar thus my next post.

 

Racism is not wearing a white hood or burning crosses. It is far more subtle than that and I do believe that it is rooted in the NE way of life. People tend to see those that aren't white conservative Christians (conservative Christian is the biggest oxymoron of the current America) as lesser than or weirdos. At least they did in the town I grew up in. I don't expect people to agree with this but it is how I see it.

 

The thing about parks named after him just makes him typical. I do wonder how many parks in NE are named after someone not of Anglo decent.

 

BTW- I love this kind of thing. At some point I do need to get to work but I'm in for a while.

i'm actually taking a law exam right now, so i haven't been able to give it my all. and i really need to concentrate on this test.

 

good luck on your exam.

[74Hunter]

When I saw this thread title on the board I intentionally stayed away. I knew that a thread about a black liberal in Nebraska would just turn into character assassinations. Huskerboard, you didn't disappoint!

 

I don't often agree with what he says but he is the most important politician Nebraska has had in my lifetime. He is truly a voice crying out in the wilderness. Most of the rest have just been conservative yes men. Very uninspired and irrelevant.

 

Although racially charged, were not his comments really about college athletes being exploited for $ by the university and the NCAA. I'm pretty sure we've discussed that in the past here and many of you were making the same point as Chambers (without the slave owner talk). Hmmm........idiot?

 

Oh, and, one of the biggest delusions we live under is that we live in a democracy. Republic all the way.

 

SD Husker gets +1 for standing up in this thing.

 

That's not to be glossed over. The very reason people are down on Ernie Chambers is because he's a racist. Ignoring that is to ignore the very foundation of Chambers' career in the Unicam. It's like having an in-depth discussion of Husker athletics and not talking about the football program. Ignore that and you ignore the heart of everything Chambers did as a state senator.

 

It's OK to support a dissenter. Dissent is a tremendous freedom we are allowed. But not every dissenter is to be heralded simply because they dissent, nor is all dissent equal. A person who obstructs the legal process and costs taxpayers millions of dollars simply to be obstructive is not helping the political process. Glossing over Chambers' often unnecessary obstructions as some form of laudable "importance" is frankly laughable.

 

It is not enough simply to cry out in the wilderness - the message must be worthy, and it must be beneficial. Chambers' legacy can be summed up by looking at the state of his district today. He wasted so much time "fighting the man" that he let his district slide into abject poverty. Where was the legislation he introduced to help his constituents? How did his district prosper under his watch? All his dissent amounted to so much hot air, and his constituents suffered because instead of electing an advocate, they elected a self-aggrandizing blowhard.

Agreed.

 

But make no mistake, Ernie is NOT and idiot. He is a very intelligent man, and more importantly, a hate-filled, pathetic racist. It's too bad that he never used his intellect to actually help the people that he supposedly represents.

 

I've actually heard (not sure about this) that Ernie doesn't even live in Northeast Omaha. I heard he lives out by Millard West. If this is true, talk about a hypocrite.

[nillie welson]

racially charged does not equal racist. he may appear to be racist because his thought is unconventionally, but that does not make it automatically racist. i think it is just easier to label him a racist and dismiss what he is/trying to say than to take him seriously and give consideration to his thoughts.

 

Don't simply presume that I know nothing about Ernie Chambers. I know quite a bit about him; I would be surprised if anyone in this thread knows more. I'm speaking from a position of knowledge, and I am not wrong in my assessment.

that's a thought ending cliche, just to claim you know more about chambers than anyone else, and then say that you are right by the authority you have bestowed upon yourself.

i did not claim any authority on your knowledge of chambers. what i was responding to was your claim that he is racist. he is not racist and i would be surprised if anyone knew more about race relations than me. i am speaking from a position of knowledge, and i am not wrong in my assessment.

also, i never simply presume, that is why i don't presume chambers is a racist.

OK, let's put it this way. Of the two of us, one of us has a badge and works in the discrimination field. If that's not you, then you're beginning to get the point.

 

 

Oh, here comes the power trip...

[nillie welson]

Summarizing this thread, "But then we digress..."

[74Hunter]

racially charged does not equal racist. he may appear to be racist because his thought is unconventionally, but that does not make it automatically racist. i think it is just easier to label him a racist and dismiss what he is/trying to say than to take him seriously and give consideration to his thoughts.

 

Don't simply presume that I know nothing about Ernie Chambers. I know quite a bit about him; I would be surprised if anyone in this thread knows more. I'm speaking from a position of knowledge, and I am not wrong in my assessment.

that's a thought ending cliche, just to claim you know more about chambers than anyone else, and then say that you are right by the authority you have bestowed upon yourself.

i did not claim any authority on your knowledge of chambers. what i was responding to was your claim that he is racist. he is not racist and i would be surprised if anyone knew more about race relations than me. i am speaking from a position of knowledge, and i am not wrong in my assessment.

also, i never simply presume, that is why i don't presume chambers is a racist.

Chambers is a racist, he is full of hate, pure and simple. If he were white and was saying the things he says against any minority, he would be labeled a racist. Actually, many white men have been "convicted" of racism and have said a small fraction of the hateful things that Ernie has.

[knapplc]

But make no mistake, Ernie is NOT and idiot. He is a very intelligent man, and more importantly, a hate-filled, pathetic racist. It's too bad that he never used his intellect to actually help the people that he supposedly represents.

 

The fact that Ernie is very intelligent is probably the biggest knock against him. He has the ability to have made real progress and real change in this state, but he squandered it all in favor of holding court in a bully pulpit, and in the end accomplished very little for all the time he spent in office.

[74Hunter]

But make no mistake, Ernie is NOT and idiot. He is a very intelligent man, and more importantly, a hate-filled, pathetic racist. It's too bad that he never used his intellect to actually help the people that he supposedly represents.

 

The fact that Ernie is very intelligent is probably the biggest knock against him. He has the ability to have made real progress and real change in this state, but he squandered it all in favor of holding court in a bully pulpit, and in the end accomplished very little for all the time he spent in office.

I couldn't agree with you more. Instead of doing something worthwhile, he proceeded to get into every name calling match and pissing match that he could. The only thing worthwhile that he did was block the use of red light cameras. Other than that, hating whitey was his greatest accomplishment.

[sd'sker]

But make no mistake, Ernie is NOT and idiot. He is a very intelligent man, and more importantly, a hate-filled, pathetic racist. It's too bad that he never used his intellect to actually help the people that he supposedly represents.

 

The fact that Ernie is very intelligent is probably the biggest knock against him. He has the ability to have made real progress and real change in this state, but he squandered it all in favor of holding court in a bully pulpit, and in the end accomplished very little for all the time he spent in office.

I couldn't agree with you more. Instead of doing something worthwhile, he proceeded to get into every name calling match and pissing match that he could. The only thing worthwhile that he did was block the use of red light cameras. Other than that, hating whitey was his greatest accomplishment.

there's something to be said for that.

[sarge87]

But make no mistake, Ernie is NOT and idiot. He is a very intelligent man, and more importantly, a hate-filled, pathetic racist. It's too bad that he never used his intellect to actually help the people that he supposedly represents.

 

The fact that Ernie is very intelligent is probably the biggest knock against him. He has the ability to have made real progress and real change in this state, but he squandered it all in favor of holding court in a bully pulpit, and in the end accomplished very little for all the time he spent in office.

 

DING...DING...DING!!!! We have a winner!!!

 

 

Ernie likes to tell himself that Nebraskan's screwed him over with term limits, when in reality Ernie screwed Ernie.

[74Hunter]

But make no mistake, Ernie is NOT and idiot. He is a very intelligent man, and more importantly, a hate-filled, pathetic racist. It's too bad that he never used his intellect to actually help the people that he supposedly represents.

 

The fact that Ernie is very intelligent is probably the biggest knock against him. He has the ability to have made real progress and real change in this state, but he squandered it all in favor of holding court in a bully pulpit, and in the end accomplished very little for all the time he spent in office.

I couldn't agree with you more. Instead of doing something worthwhile, he proceeded to get into every name calling match and pissing match that he could. The only thing worthwhile that he did was block the use of red light cameras. Other than that, hating whitey was his greatest accomplishment.

there's something to be said for that.

Please elaborate.......

[CornHOLIO]

What I want to know, is why I find it almost admirable when I see racism from people that are a "minority" but feel like putting a brick through my TV when I see white supremicists' on shows like Jerry Springer?

[knapplc]

What I want to know, is why I find it almost admirable when I see racism from people that are a "minority" but feel like putting a brick through my TV when I see white supremicists' on shows like Jerry Springer?

That's a curious response. Racism is racism, no matter who the racist or who the victim.

[Hingle McCringleberry]

What I want to know, is why I find it almost admirable when I see racism from people that are a "minority" but feel like putting a brick through my TV when I see white supremicists' on shows like Jerry Springer?

That's a curious response. Racism is racism, no matter who the racist or who the victim.

 

 

Yeah but we are told to see it differently. Look at the crap in Cambridge. If it was reversed there would of been no issue, even if the Officer would of made comments about him being white or something. We have defined a crime by a white against anyone else as a "hate crime". I dont want to go off the deep end on this but double standards are all over the race issue.