Texas keeps Big 12 together

[Lil' Red]

It appears Texas fans aren't very happy about staying.

 

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[Mike N]

It appears Texas fans aren't very happy about staying.

 

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Please double check the link, I think it's broken. Try this...

 

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/65775-How-do%20-you-feel-about-stay%20ing-with-the-Big-12

 

Well, yea, a LOT of us wanted to go to the west coast. But A&M's threat to leave, combined with ESPN money and a couple of mistakes by the Pac 10, put the kibosh on that. This afternoon in Austin the feeling is that we have Big 12 lite for five more years, then it's Westward Ho!

 

Regarding the much-hated (at least around here) Longhorn TV network, there's no indication whatsoever that UT demanded at any time that the Pac 10 allow it to form such an entity. Indeed, Texas knew going into the Pac 10 that if it did align with the west coast schools, the TV network was off the table. It was willing to accept that. What it was NOT willing to accept was that combined with the loss of A&M. The alleged dropping of Okie State was another problem.

 

One or the other, maybe. But not any two, and certainly not all three.

 

This way, Texas starts the TV network in 24 months and keeps it as a condition of admission to a new conference in five years.

 

You can beat UT on the gridiron, at least occasionally. But don't ever fight the UT Administration and the Exes. The best you can do is tie for the moment, and postpone the inevitable.

[VA Husker Fan]

Bohls is generally a good writer, pretty balanced and usually not a Dodds/Brown mouthpiece. But I don't believe him about the Pac 10 TV rights demand. Nor do I believe that they will set that extra money aside, assuming they get it from NU and CU. I think any conference would be thrilled to have them, but as an equal, not with all of the special rights that Texas demands.

[irafreak]

Yawn....with the corruption in the rearview mirror it's only interesting to see the reaction of the other schools now. I've already noticed the KC sports radio programs having second thoughts now that the "oh holy crap we're still in a conference" moment is starting to wear off...

[huKSer]

 

 

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii....dunno about that. It's an open secret here in Austin that the Texas Coaches considered the CCG just one more opportunity to screw up, that the only reason it existed was to make more money for the conference. Now that the same TV money is coming without the CCG, there are smiles all around.

Wait a SECOND

 

At the time of setting up the Big 12 v1.0, the coaches vote was 12-0 AGAINST the CCG. The presidents/chancellors voted 11-1 FOR the CCG.

[sd'sker]

looks like THEY saved the conference...

Big 12 wheeling, dealing explained

 

LAWRENCE, Kan. -- Kansas athletic director Lew Perkins said Wednesday that the five Big 12 schools in danger of being left without a conference came up with a plan that included offering money to keep Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma in the league.

 

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor and Missouri drafted a "business plan" to persuade the bigger schools to reject any interest from the Pac-10 or Southeastern Conference, Perkins said. The idea was to make sure the three Big 12 South schools would not lose any money by sticking with the Big 12.

 

"Five schools got together, and we tried to develop a business plan like everything else," said Perkins, who did not disclose financial details of the offer. He said paying to remain aligned with Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M is no different from a school giving a pay raise to a coach who wins a national championship and gets other job offers.

 

Perkins and Kansas State athletics director John Currie both said they don't expect the three big schools to need the money because league revenues are expected to grow in coming years.

 

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe indicated on Tuesday that the five schools had offered to give Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma their share of whatever exit penalty money Colorado (which will join the Pac-10) and Nebraska (Big Ten) wind up paying for leaving the league over the next two years.

 

But Perkins said the five offered to take the money out of their share of conference revenues from other sources such as television and NCAA basketball, not the penalty money. Calls to the Big 12 offices in Dallas were not immediately returned Wednesday.

 

Nebraska, which will join the Big Ten in July 2011, said it does not believe it owes any penalty money.

 

"The bylaw is structured as 'damages,' and it's hard for me to see that there are any damages," Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman said. "The Big 12 is getting more now than they did when we were a member."

 

Perlman wouldn't discuss how much the penalty might be, saying, "The distribution is around $9 million, so you can figure it out." Colorado athletic director Mike Bohn said Tuesday that the school's penalty for bolting to the Pac-10 in July 2012 "could be" around $9 million.

 

Under Big 12 bylaws, schools must give up 50 percent of their share of conference revenues if they give two years' notice, as Colorado has done, or 70 percent of the revenue if the notice is less than 18 months before departure, which apparently would apply to Nebraska.

 

According to IRS tax records examined by The Associated Press, the Big 12 in 2008-09 distributed $10.1 million to Colorado and $11.5 million to Nebraska. Using those figures, the overall penalty for Colorado over two years would be $10.1 million and $8.05 million for Nebraska over the next year.

 

Divided up among the remaining 10 members, each would get about $1.8 million.

 

Perkins insisted on referring to penalty money that may be paid by Colorado and Nebraska as "damages," rebuking reporters during a news conference for calling it anything else.

 

"Just take the liquidating damages and put an 'X' on it," he said. "Put it over here and don't even think about it. ... We're not going to touch that money."

 

Currie declined to discuss the details of the smaller schools' guarantee but said it was the "right long-term move."

 

"We knew that because of the projections and analysis of the marketplace, we knew that we were in an excellent position as a league to continue to grow, to grow our pie," he said. "The big picture is what we're focused on right now, which is the fact that our pie will grow, and we have two less mouths to feed around the table at dinnertime from now on."

 

Once Colorado and Nebraska decided to leave, there was a possibility that the Big 12 might dissolve because the Pac-10 was courting Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M. Oklahoma State and Texas Tech probably would also have come along. Had they gone, it would have created a crisis for the other five and left them scrambling to find a major conference.

 

But the league held together at 10 members when Texas turned down the Pac-10 and everyone else fell into line, lured with the promise of much richer football television contracts and the promise that Texas and Oklahoma, at least, can start their own TV networks without sharing with other members.

 

The talk of concessions didn't bother Kevin Capper, a barber whose shop is near the Kansas State campus. He said Kansas State is better off in the Big 12, "even with Texas getting the better end of the deal."

 

"We're going to benefit more from them being in the conference," he said. "How can you fight with that? I guess you can argue it wasn't fair and equal, but what is?"

 

Dan Lykins, a Topeka attorney who serves on the Kansas Board of Regents and has missed only one Kansas State football game since 1986, said Kansas officials understood that their schools didn't have as much power in the conference as Texas.

 

"It really doesn't bother me because KU and K-State will end up getting more money," he said. "One of the most powerful schools in our country is staying in our conference."

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[Mike N]

 

 

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii....dunno about that. It's an open secret here in Austin that the Texas Coaches considered the CCG just one more opportunity to screw up, that the only reason it existed was to make more money for the conference. Now that the same TV money is coming without the CCG, there are smiles all around.

Wait a SECOND

 

At the time of setting up the Big 12 v1.0, the coaches vote was 12-0 AGAINST the CCG. The presidents/chancellors voted 11-1 FOR cthe CCG.

 

Right....that's what I'm sayin'.........the coaches don't like the game because it's one more opportunity for a loss, the admins love it because it brings in the bucks. Now we get the same money...but no game.

[HuskerTrucker]

Sheep...being led to the slaughter, and they are too stupid to even know it.

[sd'sker]

Sheep...being led to the slaughter, and they are too stupid to even know it.

[irafreak]

"The big picture is what we're focused on right now, which is the fact that our pie will grow, and we have two less mouths to feed around the table at dinnertime from now on."

 

So Perkins admits right here that there will in fact be an increase in revenue with our departure.

[sd'sker]

"The big picture is what we're focused on right now, which is the fact that our pie will grow, and we have two less mouths to feed around the table at dinnertime from now on."

 

So Perkins admits right here that there will in fact be an increase in revenue with our departure.

they are in a tough spot, either posture that the conference is stronger than ever, to maintain a national perceptions; or, posture that this is a huge and unjust disadvantage the conference will have to endure, to maintain a case by demonstrating the necessity of liquidate damages in view of equity.

[huKSer]

 

 

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii....dunno about that. It's an open secret here in Austin that the Texas Coaches considered the CCG just one more opportunity to screw up, that the only reason it existed was to make more money for the conference. Now that the same TV money is coming without the CCG, there are smiles all around.

Wait a SECOND

 

At the time of setting up the Big 12 v1.0, the coaches vote was 12-0 AGAINST the CCG. The presidents/chancellors voted 11-1 FOR cthe CCG.

 

Right....that's what I'm sayin'.........the coaches don't like the game because it's one more opportunity for a loss, the admins love it because it brings in the bucks. Now we get the same money...but no game.

And who was the one vote against? Hmmmmm

[huKSer]

Big 12 =

 

Bo Peep and her little sheep conference

[74Hunter]

 

 

Texas may not realize it but the potential to get screwed is even greater now. If we have 3 undefeated or 3 once defeated teams i don't see how Texas would win considering that the Big 10 and Pac-10 will be perceived stronger than the Big 12. They will find out very quickly how much not having a CCG is gonna hurt them.

 

 

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii....dunno about that. It's an open secret here in Austin that the Texas Coaches considered the CCG just one more opportunity to screw up, that the only reason it existed was to make more money for the conference. Now that the same TV money is coming without the CCG, there are smiles all around.

I disagree. Nebraska was the only school that voted against the CCG.

 

Edit: Just saw the previous banter.