Recruit not happy about the Marvin situation

[gratefullred]

To quickly defend Bo, we don't really know the reasons Sanders was let go. I will wait until then to make my judgements.

[da skers]

Not to defend Bo or the fact that this kid didn't know about what changes were coming, but Chatelain is just pushing his own agenda. Not only is he painting the article itself, but he probably asked the kid leading questions trying to create the controversy. Is the kid upset, yes, but does he feel like he got completely screwed and doesn't want to come to Nebraska anymore? I don't think so...

 

We're also not the only place going through this sort of thing. Scott Frost appears to be considering leaving Oregon. He has some recruits that like him out in Oregon, and if he decides to bolt they'll be stuck too. There are probably some Indiana recruits that feel the same way about Corey Raymond. I think you have to do everything you can to avoid these situations, but who knows what timeline Bo is on or what other factors are at play. Maybe Watson isn't gone yet, maybe he's only gone if Bo secures a commitment from one of his coaching targets. Hard to say...

+1

 

Dirk is a douche bag and I hope people aren't getting fooled by the **** suckers at the OWH who very badly want Bo out because they were in the Gill camp from day 1. Make no mistake. . .they had an article the first day questioning if Bo was the right hire and pointing out the time he blew up at Snyder and wondered when he'd do it again. They've constantly pushed a negative agenda against him. When was the last time you saw a story talking about all the good he does? Where was the story stating that Football 101 was canceled because BC threatened a law suit because football 101 was his brain child?

 

Did anyone else notice that only a DB recruit was quoted in that story? Perhaps its because all of the recruits knew the offense was changing directions but the Sanders thing was the only surprise that cropped up and it was all Sanders doing. . that had nothing to do with Bo. And of course. . .they're trying to make it look like it was Bo's fault. The OWH is dealing in half truths here people.

 

 

whether the OWH has an agenda is pure speculation...the fact remains, Bo has committed a series of blunders that is detracting from the integrity of the program...there may not be as much "fire" here as some perceive, but the fact that there is "smoke" is undeniable......

 

How has he detracted from the integrity of the program? Give me an example?

[da skers]

Not good at all, I continue to support Bo through every tough time that's happened since he's started but my God these are starting to build up, and build up quick and it's all about character...I think eventually we will get to a point where we are not going to want Bo around and realize the kind of person he is..I still support him but wow

 

 

i think you are spot on...integrity is more important here than winning at all costs...this sucks, it really does....wake up BO, your reputation is on the line for all to see.

 

 

To both Hunter and the Bobfather.... you two have been faithful, insightful and wonderful contributors to this board. All three of us(and many others too) have been posting for quite some time now and we all love the Huskers...

 

When people like us... died in the wool Husker fans of the first order are now coming to realize that this Pelini thing must come to an end... well this indicates that the problems now are regarding character and integrity.

 

While I am embarrassed and saddened by what NU football has become under Bo... I am encouraged that there are still Husker faithful --- like you two guys who recognize that NU integrity is something that is more important than wins and losses.

 

I support the program... of course. What is best for the program at this point is to not stop with the OC and some assistants. Lets start this thing over with a new staff. Lets restore integrity to NU.

 

robsker, as always your posts are N-sightful, but we all know, especially you, that the ship has been re-launched and Pelini is now the captain. the state of Husker football had fallen so far, that we quickly embraced the first viable coach we could find, hence Pelini, i believe, was hired with probably only an eye to turning things around and fast! in that desperate moment to right the ship, i doubt there was much character evaluation considered when picking a new coach, obviously Callahan was missing some aspects of what we wanted in a HC as well, so once again, we don't get the whole package in Pelini that we all had hoped for.

 

now, what happens next is up to Bo. this time around i don't think just winning will be enough, this guy has got to get his head right and show some integrity...it needs to start now.

 

Yep... he is the captain. But... borrowing from the metaphor... it is time for the Husker faithful fans to have a mutiny and get a new captain.

 

I agree that Pelini was hired at a time of desperation. Now... we need to bring in an established, experienced head coach who has demonstrated integrity, certifiable ability to lead, and who has had past success in leading young men, in serving as an ambassador for a university with distinction and who has had on-field success. I'd like to think that NU still could attract such a candidate. Maybe not. But I say lets try. I have seen enough of Bo.... and he is not what NU needs for their captain.

 

A side note... if I were the AD, I would petition the NCAA for a blanket release of all the binding letters for all 20 recruits so that the players are free to go wherever they desire. They came in under false pretense and it is only fair that they have options in view of the manner in which they were played.

Please tell me you're joking and not really this stupid.

[Judoka]

Yep... he is the captain. But... borrowing from the metaphor... it is time for the Husker faithful fans to have a mutiny and get a new captain.

 

I agree that Pelini was hired at a time of desperation. Now... we need to bring in an established, experienced head coach who has demonstrated integrity, certifiable ability to lead, and who has had past success in leading young men, in serving as an ambassador for a university with distinction and who has had on-field success. I'd like to think that NU still could attract such a candidate. Maybe not. But I say lets try. I have seen enough of Bo.... and he is not what NU needs for their captain.

 

A side note... if I were the AD, I would petition the NCAA for a blanket release of all the binding letters for all 20 recruits so that the players are free to go wherever they desire. They came in under false pretense and it is only fair that they have options in view of the manner in which they were played.

So, not only do you want to fire Bo, you also want to hamstring his successor by releasing ALL of the recently signed recruits. Nice.

[Hunter94]

Not to defend Bo or the fact that this kid didn't know about what changes were coming, but Chatelain is just pushing his own agenda. Not only is he painting the article itself, but he probably asked the kid leading questions trying to create the controversy. Is the kid upset, yes, but does he feel like he got completely screwed and doesn't want to come to Nebraska anymore? I don't think so...

 

We're also not the only place going through this sort of thing. Scott Frost appears to be considering leaving Oregon. He has some recruits that like him out in Oregon, and if he decides to bolt they'll be stuck too. There are probably some Indiana recruits that feel the same way about Corey Raymond. I think you have to do everything you can to avoid these situations, but who knows what timeline Bo is on or what other factors are at play. Maybe Watson isn't gone yet, maybe he's only gone if Bo secures a commitment from one of his coaching targets. Hard to say...

+1

 

Dirk is a douche bag and I hope people aren't getting fooled by the **** suckers at the OWH who very badly want Bo out because they were in the Gill camp from day 1. Make no mistake. . .they had an article the first day questioning if Bo was the right hire and pointing out the time he blew up at Snyder and wondered when he'd do it again. They've constantly pushed a negative agenda against him. When was the last time you saw a story talking about all the good he does? Where was the story stating that Football 101 was canceled because BC threatened a law suit because football 101 was his brain child?

 

Did anyone else notice that only a DB recruit was quoted in that story? Perhaps its because all of the recruits knew the offense was changing directions but the Sanders thing was the only surprise that cropped up and it was all Sanders doing. . that had nothing to do with Bo. And of course. . .they're trying to make it look like it was Bo's fault. The OWH is dealing in half truths here people.

 

 

whether the OWH has an agenda is pure speculation...the fact remains, Bo has committed a series of blunders that is detracting from the integrity of the program...there may not be as much "fire" here as some perceive, but the fact that there is "smoke" is undeniable......

 

How has he detracted from the integrity of the program? Give me an example?

 

 

WOW.....what planet have you been on son?? his sideline antics, inability to give decent pressers and now this issue of not being up front with a recruit......you don't just can a coach (who was strongly tied to a recruit) the next day and not tell the kid it is coming....tell me you, as a 17 year old kid would not be upset by this.....amazing....

[Apathy]

Not good at all, I continue to support Bo through every tough time that's happened since he's started but my God these are starting to build up, and build up quick and it's all about character...I think eventually we will get to a point where we are not going to want Bo around and realize the kind of person he is..I still support him but wow

 

 

i think you are spot on...integrity is more important here than winning at all costs...this sucks, it really does....wake up BO, your reputation is on the line for all to see.

 

 

To both Hunter and the Bobfather.... you two have been faithful, insightful and wonderful contributors to this board. All three of us(and many others too) have been posting for quite some time now and we all love the Huskers...

 

When people like us... died in the wool Husker fans of the first order are now coming to realize that this Pelini thing must come to an end... well this indicates that the problems now are regarding character and integrity.

 

While I am embarrassed and saddened by what NU football has become under Bo... I am encouraged that there are still Husker faithful --- like you two guys who recognize that NU integrity is something that is more important than wins and losses.

 

I support the program... of course. What is best for the program at this point is to not stop with the OC and some assistants. Lets start this thing over with a new staff. Lets restore integrity to NU.

 

robsker, as always your posts are N-sightful, but we all know, especially you, that the ship has been re-launched and Pelini is now the captain. the state of Husker football had fallen so far, that we quickly embraced the first viable coach we could find, hence Pelini, i believe, was hired with probably only an eye to turning things around and fast! in that desperate moment to right the ship, i doubt there was much character evaluation considered when picking a new coach, obviously Callahan was missing some aspects of what we wanted in a HC as well, so once again, we don't get the whole package in Pelini that we all had hoped for.

 

now, what happens next is up to Bo. this time around i don't think just winning will be enough, this guy has got to get his head right and show some integrity...it needs to start now.

 

Yep... he is the captain. But... borrowing from the metaphor... it is time for the Husker faithful fans to have a mutiny and get a new captain.

 

I agree that Pelini was hired at a time of desperation. Now... we need to bring in an established, experienced head coach who has demonstrated integrity, certifiable ability to lead, and who has had past success in leading young men, in serving as an ambassador for a university with distinction and who has had on-field success. I'd like to think that NU still could attract such a candidate. Maybe not. But I say lets try. I have seen enough of Bo.... and he is not what NU needs for their captain.

 

A side note... if I were the AD, I would petition the NCAA for a blanket release of all the binding letters for all 20 recruits so that the players are free to go wherever they desire. They came in under false pretense and it is only fair that they have options in view of the manner in which they were played.

Please tell me you're joking and not really this stupid.

I hope he's joking....a lot of anti Bo fans out there that lack common sense and can't see what Bo has done for his program

[knapplc]

WOW.....what planet have you been on son?? his sideline antics, inability to give decent pressers and now this issue of not being up front with a recruit......you don't just can a coach (who was strongly tied to a recruit) the next day and not tell the kid it is coming....tell me you, as a 17 year old kid would not be upset by this.....amazing....

 

What if Bo couldn't legally speak about the situation? What does he tell the recruit at that point?

 

Bo's mishandling of this situation lies in his uncomfortable presser, which is becoming more clear day by day. Sure, Bo sucks at pressers, and his (and ours) national reputation takes some jabs because of it, but if Bo never improves at his pressers and continues to field teams like he's fielded in the past three years I'm going to be one happy camper.

 

Let's let all the facts come out from this Sanders/Jackson thing before we crucify Bo. And for God's sake, let's stop with this "fire Bo" nonsense. Good grief!

[robsker]

Yep... he is the captain. But... borrowing from the metaphor... it is time for the Husker faithful fans to have a mutiny and get a new captain.

 

I agree that Pelini was hired at a time of desperation. Now... we need to bring in an established, experienced head coach who has demonstrated integrity, certifiable ability to lead, and who has had past success in leading young men, in serving as an ambassador for a university with distinction and who has had on-field success. I'd like to think that NU still could attract such a candidate. Maybe not. But I say lets try. I have seen enough of Bo.... and he is not what NU needs for their captain.

 

A side note... if I were the AD, I would petition the NCAA for a blanket release of all the binding letters for all 20 recruits so that the players are free to go wherever they desire. They came in under false pretense and it is only fair that they have options in view of the manner in which they were played.

 

WHOA!!! This is a tremendous overreaction! On a scale of 1 to 10 this issue with Jackson is a two, maybe three. kchusker_chris made a good point - it's entirely possible that Bo couldn't legally tell Jackson what was going on. Think about that before you want to run Bo out of here.

 

This wasn't a perfect situation, but for goodness' sake, let's not begin a witch-hunt at Bo over it. At worst it's "not ideal."

 

 

Knapp... I see your point. It even makes sense. Yet, here is my counter...

 

If this were the first thing that smacks of problems regarding Bo it would be an over-reaction. Even if it were the second or third infraction/incident, then it may still be a modest over-reaction. But... at least from where I sit, I struggle with Bo's general demeanor and the way he represents the university that I love. He has had public temper tantrums. Adult, mature, leaders of men do not do such things. He has publicly and on national television berated a student athlete in an inappropriate manner because he could not maintain his cool. He drops the F-bomb on TV with semi-regularity (I am, I suppose, hyper-sensitive to such things). He lied saying he did not hire a coach when in fact he did. His interviews are horrible -- he has a disrespectful attitude (at least that is what is projected) towards the press and the fans. He is inarticulate in interviews... and indifferent. Bo has had public conflict with his Chancelor, with some of his players, some of his coaches.... It goes on and on. And now this. It is true that we do not know the whole story yet... but what we have to go on is really incriminating for Bo. So... the cumulative impact of all of this is what leads to the reaction that we need to look elsewhere in order to prosper as the NU football program. That is my point Knapp... this event is, at least to me... more of a 6-7 on a scale of 10 (not a 2-3 as you view it) and is but one of many, many, many reasons that, when taken collectively, lead to my response. Not an over-reaction. Perhaps over critical... but not an over reaction. There is plenty of stimuli out there regarding Bo to elicit a response that says... hey, this is not a good fit and we need to look elsewhere.

 

In all this, we may differ on this one... but Knapp you have been, and continue to be, a great asset to this board and I respect your opinion and even can sate that you may be right and I wrong on this one. But I am passionate for the reputation of NU... holding it up as pre-eminent re: Husker football. Old school, I suppose. But I love that university and the reputation of NU means something.

[da skers]

Not to defend Bo or the fact that this kid didn't know about what changes were coming, but Chatelain is just pushing his own agenda. Not only is he painting the article itself, but he probably asked the kid leading questions trying to create the controversy. Is the kid upset, yes, but does he feel like he got completely screwed and doesn't want to come to Nebraska anymore? I don't think so...

 

We're also not the only place going through this sort of thing. Scott Frost appears to be considering leaving Oregon. He has some recruits that like him out in Oregon, and if he decides to bolt they'll be stuck too. There are probably some Indiana recruits that feel the same way about Corey Raymond. I think you have to do everything you can to avoid these situations, but who knows what timeline Bo is on or what other factors are at play. Maybe Watson isn't gone yet, maybe he's only gone if Bo secures a commitment from one of his coaching targets. Hard to say...

+1

 

Dirk is a douche bag and I hope people aren't getting fooled by the **** suckers at the OWH who very badly want Bo out because they were in the Gill camp from day 1. Make no mistake. . .they had an article the first day questioning if Bo was the right hire and pointing out the time he blew up at Snyder and wondered when he'd do it again. They've constantly pushed a negative agenda against him. When was the last time you saw a story talking about all the good he does? Where was the story stating that Football 101 was canceled because BC threatened a law suit because football 101 was his brain child?

 

Did anyone else notice that only a DB recruit was quoted in that story? Perhaps its because all of the recruits knew the offense was changing directions but the Sanders thing was the only surprise that cropped up and it was all Sanders doing. . that had nothing to do with Bo. And of course. . .they're trying to make it look like it was Bo's fault. The OWH is dealing in half truths here people.

 

 

whether the OWH has an agenda is pure speculation...the fact remains, Bo has committed a series of blunders that is detracting from the integrity of the program...there may not be as much "fire" here as some perceive, but the fact that there is "smoke" is undeniable......

 

How has he detracted from the integrity of the program? Give me an example?

 

 

WOW.....what planet have you been on son?? his sideline antics, inability to give decent pressers and now this issue of not being up front with a recruit......you don't just can a coach (who was strongly tied to a recruit) the next day and not tell the kid it is coming....tell me you, as a 17 year old kid would not be upset by this.....amazing....

Ok. . .lets go to school now. Integrity as nothing to do with yelling a some refs or give a decent presser. It has everything to do with being honest and doing what you say your going to do. Unless I'm unaware of something, he's done just that. Even with the Marvin deal there was still a chance that he would still be at NU until they knew of all the logistics of the situation. Why do you think Els wasn't interviewed until after Sanders resigned? Don't assume that the OWH is giving you the facts. The offensive kids knew well in advance there were going to be changes to the scheme and possibly some of the staff. The didn't know the specifics but they weren't in the dark.

 

integrity

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adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.

[CornHOLIO]

The only way to save face is to give ALL new recruits a chance to reneg.

 

If even that.

[knapplc]

Robsker, wouldn't you agree that we prospered under Devaney? And that we prospered under Osborne? There were shenanigans galore under Devaney, and there were several ugly incidents during Osborne's tenure, that never saw the light of day. I hear stories about this stuff over the past ten years or so that, if they came out during a coach's tenure today, would get him fired on the spot.

 

The two differences here are 1) perception and 2) the Information Age. Neither Bob nor Tom had to deal with 24-hour sports stations or the Internet like Bo does. A lot of things that happened didn't come out to the public like they do today - but they still happened. Because folks didn't know about this stuff during Osborne's career they perceived he was this squeaky-clean coach, when in fact he had plenty of skeletons, too. The Bobfather had a whole graveyard full of skeletons, but he coached in such a different era that nobody knew or cared.

 

Bo is fine. He is unpolished and could stand to work on some things. But even if you're not 100% giddy about the events of the last few days, it's far too much to demand his ouster. There likely isn't a coach alive today that would do a better job overall than Bo is doing now. Sure, we could get some Nick Saban PR master here, but Slick Nick is as dirty as they come. You trade some integrity for better PR, maybe. I'll pass on that.

[da skers]

Gee I wonder how everyone would feel knowing that TO had told my friend in High School that he was "probably going to get a scholarship" They were doing the numbers and it looked pretty good for him. Gave it a 99% chance. Basically they had offered it to a RB and he was on the fence. If the RB turned it down it was his and he'd be a safety or a LB for NU. The night before signing day the RB announced he was going somewhere else. My buddy went to bed thinking he was a scholarship player. Then the next morning at breakfast TO called. Man my buddy was excited. But instead TO told him they gave it to another kid, a receiver from Omaha instead. But my buddy could still come walk on if he wanted.

 

Gee. . no one ever questions that TO's is a man of integrity. And this wasn't anywhere near the type of situation that Bo was in with Sanders. But I forget in this world as far as good people there's God, Jesus, TO, then the Pope and Mother Teresa.

[Hunter94]

robsker, you are an old school kind of guy and i admire that trait, hard to find and even harder to instill in people today........everyone has a "win it for me now" attitude, hurt feelings, lack of integrity, lying, cheating, kneeing a guy running down the sidelines, illegal hits, it all is part of the culture today and it is nasty, ugly....so from there, it seems we take the least amount of the bad stuff and go with it to support a winner...yeah, life and values are not near what they used to be, but absent of throwing everything into the toilet, we move along with what we got....we could have worse....we aspire to have better, as long as someone is on Bo's arse and making him tow some kind of line and improve his behavior, that's about all we can hope for......if it gets too bad or his bad behavior gets chronic, fans and boosters will call for his head...hang in there.

[Apathy]

Its either your on board or not. If your not than root for another team.

 

I don't think there are a lit of people that know what the hell is going g on behind close doors.

 

Bo didn't lie during his teleconference about a staff member getting fired or anybody getting hired. Last time I checked resigning is totally different than getting fired and nobody has been announced as the new DB or LB coach.

 

Bo did say that nobody has been hired "just yet".....key wording there fellas

[da skers]

Robsker, wouldn't you agree that we prospered under Devaney? And that we prospered under Osborne? There were shenanigans galore under Devaney, and there were several ugly incidents during Osborne's tenure, that never saw the light of day. I hear stories about this stuff over the past ten years or so that, if they came out during a coach's tenure today, would get him fired on the spot.

 

The two differences here are 1) perception and 2) the Information Age. Neither Bob nor Tom had to deal with 24-hour sports stations or the Internet like Bo does. A lot of things that happened didn't come out to the public like they do today - but they still happened. Because folks didn't know about this stuff during Osborne's career they perceived he was this squeaky-clean coach, when in fact he had plenty of skeletons, too. The Bobfather had a whole graveyard full of skeletons, but he coached in such a different era that nobody knew or cared.

 

Bo is fine. He is unpolished and could stand to work on some things. But even if you're not 100% giddy about the events of the last few days, it's far too much to demand his ouster. There likely isn't a coach alive today that would do a better job overall than Bo is doing now. Sure, we could get some Nick Saban PR master here, but Slick Nick is as dirty as they come. You trade some integrity for better PR, maybe. I'll pass on that.

BD had a girl friend in every town. My dad talks about the time he stayed the night in Anselmo Nebraska and closed the bar down. Rumor has it he went home with not one but two women that night.