Chaddyboxer Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Hey, let's turn another topic into a second guessing Bo Pelini topic. Why not? only if we can also turn it into a TO is a genius, he should ask for help thread that eventually devolves into a "we should run more option" thread. Can it end with petty name calling and hurt hinies all around? I think the term you are looking for is "butt-hurt" Badgerfan = ) Quote Link to comment
Blaze1up Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 3rd down and the redzone are where we struggled most. Quote Link to comment
Nexus Posted December 19, 2011 Author Share Posted December 19, 2011 3rd down and the redzone are where we struggled most. Nebraska rankings: Red Zone = 10th 3rd Down Conversion = 38th Quote Link to comment
Forge Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Bob Stoops has had a bunch of first time Coordinators since he has been at OU. Mangino was a 1st time OC, Mike Stoops was a first time DC, Chuck Long first time OC, Brent Venables first time DC, Josh Heupel first time OC. No offense, but those are bad examples.... Mangino - fired and hasnt found another job. Only had one good season. Overall.... not successful Stoops - Fired from last job, poor defense and still without a job. Success? Not sure... Chuck Long - Was a position coach under Hayden Fry and Ferentz... then moved to OU at THE SAME position (qb coach). He was then promoted after several years. Successful? Yep, but I think he had proven himself before he got to OU (was in lead fo Iowa job after Fry left, but Ferentz couldnt say no to the money) Venables - OU fans calling for his head and trying to run him out or town. Worst defense in Stoops era..... not successful Hyple - Too soon to tell how successful he will be. This year was a letdown for the amount of talent that offense has. ... no successful. Quote Link to comment
Hunter94 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Top programs have coaches who do not need to learn on the job. NU should not, ever, hire a first time coach at any level. That is what low-level programs w/o a history do... because they must. A program of the stature of NU (a stature that is, clearly, eroding... but still formidable) should, never, ever, ever hire a newbie --- let them cut their teeth elsewhere, prove themselves... and then hire them. The reason that NU is where it is --- a perennial #4-5 conference team that finishes the season ranked between #20-30 --- rather than being more... much more.. competitive --- is poor hiring of coaches. Go with proven experience... every time --- unless, of course, you cannot command (that is, compete) for such. I do not think NU has fallen so low that they cannot compete for someone experienced and who is a proven commodity --- but perhaps the horizon is that bleak. and conversely, when you bring in proven coaches you get better recruits......we are doing it on the "cheap" and that sucks if you want to be a big time program! Quote Link to comment
bshirt Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 3rd down and the redzone are where we struggled most. Nebraska rankings: Red Zone = 10th 3rd Down Conversion = 38th Lol! So much for that argument...... Quote Link to comment
bshirt Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Top programs have coaches who do not need to learn on the job. NU should not, ever, hire a first time coach at any level. That is what low-level programs w/o a history do... because they must. A program of the stature of NU (a stature that is, clearly, eroding... but still formidable) should, never, ever, ever hire a newbie --- let them cut their teeth elsewhere, prove themselves... and then hire them. The reason that NU is where it is --- a perennial #4-5 conference team that finishes the season ranked between #20-30 --- rather than being more... much more.. competitive --- is poor hiring of coaches. Go with proven experience... every time --- unless, of course, you cannot command (that is, compete) for such. I do not think NU has fallen so low that they cannot compete for someone experienced and who is a proven commodity --- but perhaps the horizon is that bleak. and conversely, when you bring in proven coaches you get better recruits......we are doing it on the "cheap" and that sucks if you want to be a big time program! Yep, those "proven" coaches are a lock. What's wrong with Bo that he can't understand that? Zook at Florida & Illinois (fired), Weiss at Notre Dame (fired), N. Chow at UCLA (fired), RRod at Michigan (fired), Callahan at NU (fired), etc, etc. We want to be a big time program too! Quote Link to comment
Pedro Guerrero Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Bob Stoops has had a bunch of first time Coordinators since he has been at OU. Mangino was a 1st time OC, Mike Stoops was a first time DC, Chuck Long first time OC, Brent Venables first time DC, Josh Heupel first time OC. No offense, but those are bad examples.... Mangino - fired and hasnt found another job. Only had one good season. Overall.... not successful Stoops - Fired from last job, poor defense and still without a job. Success? Not sure... Chuck Long - Was a position coach under Hayden Fry and Ferentz... then moved to OU at THE SAME position (qb coach). He was then promoted after several years. Successful? Yep, but I think he had proven himself before he got to OU (was in lead fo Iowa job after Fry left, but Ferentz couldnt say no to the money) Venables - OU fans calling for his head and trying to run him out or town. Worst defense in Stoops era..... not successful Hyple - Too soon to tell how successful he will be. This year was a letdown for the amount of talent that offense has. ... no successful. Tim Beck had a job at KU for 3 years before coming here but he is a first time OC. Carl Pelini had a job at Ohio for a few years before coming here but he was a first time DC. The point was that NU isn't a place for first time Coordinators, yet OU has had plenty of first time Coordinators. Also those guys going on and being not very good Head Coaches has nothing to do with what they accomplished at OU. Magino - 2000 OU OC National Championship Stoops - 1999-2003 OU DC National Championship (2 more BCS bowls including 1 National Championship game) Venables - 2004 - 2011 OU DC 6 BCS Bowls (including 2 National Championship games) Long - Not an OC anywhere until he got to OU so basically he hadn't proven himself anymore then Beck had Heupel - OC in 2010 when OU won the Big 12 and also won a BCS bowl. Quote Link to comment
The Dude Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Agreed, newearthhusker. We don't need Beck to move on and become a successful head coach somewhere else. We just need him to become a good OC here. One thing that caught my eye though; winning an Orange Bowl with Kansas isn't successful? I want whatever drugs that guy is smoking. Quote Link to comment
bshirt Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Agreed, newearthhusker. We don't need Beck to move on and become a successful head coach somewhere else. We just need him to become a good OC here. One thing that caught my eye though; winning an Orange Bowl with Kansas isn't successful? I want whatever drugs that guy is smoking. Oh boy, talk about a monster understatement. Winning the Orange bowl with "Kansas" should be an automatic Hall of fame nomination for their HC. My Gawd, if that's not success truly nothing is. Quote Link to comment
Rocketsocks Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Is this right? One of the Nebraska papers says only eight FBS schools have won nine games or more in the past four seasons, and Nebraska is one of them. Quote Link to comment
Nexus Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 Is this right? One of the Nebraska papers says only eight FBS schools have won nine games or more in the past four seasons, and Nebraska is one of them. Six BCS schools. Luncheon emcee Greg Sharpe Thursday called Bo Pelini’s first four seasons consistent, pointing out the Huskers are one of just six BCS teams that have won at least nine games over the past four seasons. “It’s an elite list and does NOT include Ohio State, Michigan, Texas or Oklahoma,” Sharpe said. LINK Quote Link to comment
HuskerFowler Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Is this right? One of the Nebraska papers says only eight FBS schools have won nine games or more in the past four seasons, and Nebraska is one of them. Six BCS schools. Luncheon emcee Greg Sharpe Thursday called Bo Pelini’s first four seasons consistent, pointing out the Huskers are one of just six BCS teams that have won at least nine games over the past four seasons. “It’s an elite list and does NOT include Ohio State, Michigan, Texas or Oklahoma,” Sharpe said. LINK Fire Bo!!! Quote Link to comment
Nexus Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 Here are the 6 BCS teams with at least 9 wins per year since 2008. Nebraska Alabama Oregon Virginia Tech Oklahoma State West Virginia 1 Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Good to know, Nexus. Interesting stat. Quote Link to comment
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