Wealth Inequality in America

[HuskerNation1]

While I know the left is typically the one preaching income inequality, its actually gotten much worse under the most leftist President of our time.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

Encouraging dependence on the government and expanding programs to enable that is a major contributor to the trend lines, but somehow Obama/Hillary don't seem to understand that. It's not the fault of the policies he has enacted, it's those silly 1%ers that have caused the gap

[Moiraine]

While I know the left is typically the one preaching income inequality, its actually gotten much worse under the most leftist President of our time.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

Encouraging dependence on the government and expanding programs to enable that is a major contributor to the trend lines, but somehow Obama/Hillary don't seem to understand that. It's not the fault of the policies he has enacted, it's those silly 1%ers that have caused the gap

 

 

Sound the alarm. A Republican website thinks it's Obama's fault.

 

The article didn't even mention what policies of Obama's they think might have caused this. I wonder when people are going to learn that a president doesn't have that much power.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

While I know the left is typically the one preaching income inequality, its actually gotten much worse under the most leftist President of our time.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

Encouraging dependence on the government and expanding programs to enable that is a major contributor to the trend lines, but somehow Obama/Hillary don't seem to understand that. It's not the fault of the policies he has enacted, it's those silly 1%ers that have caused the gap

 

Sound the alarm. A Republican website thinks it's Obama's fault.

 

The article didn't even mention what policies of Obama's they think might have caused this. I wonder when people are going to learn that a president doesn't have that much power.

Well for what its worth, Ive seen similar articles on huffington post and liberal sites, but it was not most current. Just do a search on "income inequality under obama trend" and you will see their is bipartisan agreement that things have gotten much worse.

[Moiraine]

 

 

While I know the left is typically the one preaching income inequality, its actually gotten much worse under the most leftist President of our time.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

Encouraging dependence on the government and expanding programs to enable that is a major contributor to the trend lines, but somehow Obama/Hillary don't seem to understand that. It's not the fault of the policies he has enacted, it's those silly 1%ers that have caused the gap

 

Sound the alarm. A Republican website thinks it's Obama's fault.

 

The article didn't even mention what policies of Obama's they think might have caused this. I wonder when people are going to learn that a president doesn't have that much power.

Well for what its worth, Ive seen similar articles on huffington post and liberal sites, but it was not most current. Just do a search on "income inequality under obama trend" and you will see their is bipartisan agreement that things have gotten much worse.

 

 

Correlation does not imply causation. Additionally, I haven't really seen any correlation. Just "Obama is the president." I haven't read a lot about it so maybe it's out there, but maybe someone could make a graph showing the increase in "wealth distribution" along with the income inequality increase. But that still would not imply that Obama caused it.

 

I think a much more important factor than wanting to increase welfare/snap/taxes on the wealthy is that you can spend sh#t tons of money buying off politicians and funding campaigns. All that matters in this country is how much money you have. If you have money you can buy policy. If you have money you can buy policies that help increase your money. You can have safety/pollution regulations decreased that were in place to protect the public, just so you can make more money. You can prevent laws being passed that would tax your company for outsourcing jobs, so you can make more money by hiring foreigners who are being treated like sh#t and being paid sh#t. And I don't want to hear crap about there not being people here willing to do the jobs that are outsourced. The fact that there aren't people here willing to have their 5 year old kids work in a factory for $1/hour is part of why this isn't a crappy place to live.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

 

While I know the left is typically the one preaching income inequality, its actually gotten much worse under the most leftist President of our time.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/20/reminder-income-inequality-got-worse-under-obama/

 

Encouraging dependence on the government and expanding programs to enable that is a major contributor to the trend lines, but somehow Obama/Hillary don't seem to understand that. It's not the fault of the policies he has enacted, it's those silly 1%ers that have caused the gap

 

Sound the alarm. A Republican website thinks it's Obama's fault.

 

The article didn't even mention what policies of Obama's they think might have caused this. I wonder when people are going to learn that a president doesn't have that much power.

Well for what its worth, Ive seen similar articles on huffington post and liberal sites, but it was not most current. Just do a search on "income inequality under obama trend" and you will see their is bipartisan agreement that things have gotten much worse.

 

 

Correlation does not imply causation. Additionally, I haven't really seen any correlation. Just "Obama is the president." I haven't read a lot about it so maybe it's out there, but maybe someone could make a graph showing the increase in "wealth distribution" along with the income inequality increase. But that still would not imply that Obama caused it.

 

I think a much more important factor than wanting to increase welfare/snap/taxes on the wealthy is that you can spend sh#t tons of money buying off politicians and funding campaigns. All that matters in this country is how much money you have. If you have money you can buy policy. If you have money you can buy policies that help increase your money. You can have safety/pollution regulations decreased that were in place to protect the public, just so you can make more money. You can prevent laws being passed that would tax your company for outsourcing jobs, so you can make more money by hiring foreigners who are being treated like sh#t and being paid sh#t. And I don't want to hear crap about there not being people here willing to do the jobs that are outsourced. The fact that there aren't people here willing to have their 5 year old kids work in a factory for $1/hour is part of why this isn't a crappy place to live.

 

 

I agree that causation is complicated in that there is never usually just one cause to a trend or issue. I also do not think it's fair to align a trend to a President that has only been in office a few years, just as we all should give Riley a few years to implement his system his way. However, after year 6 and 7, I do think the data showing the negative trend should not be dismissed.

 

You cannot pinpoint one single program, but let's take Obamacare for example. The requirements of small businesses for Obamacare is such that it encourages them to not hire more than 50 full time employees, and they are instead cutting back hours to the point that underemployment is still quite high. We also have the highest number of Americans who are of age to work that are not even being considered in the labor force. For some it could be they want to be dependent on the government, but I would hope that for many its because they just haven't been able to find work. Thus, this increases the gap between the haves and have nots. It's not the sole factor, but one example.

[BigRedBuster]

You can't say Obama is the problem with wealth inequality. But, you can say he sure as hell hasn't done anything to prevent it.

 

Personally, I don't trust any of the data just like I don't trust propaganda crap Republicans put out trashing Obama. There are people in this world that gain power by convincing enough people that those evil rich people are the cause of all your problems. They gain enough power and money from doing that, that they are no different than wealthy business owners fighting for what makes them more money.

To think any different is completely burying your head in the sand. Think about it. They throw out so much crap on this subject that can't be verified but it seems like the information is never questioned.

[HuskerNation1]

You can't say Obama is the problem with wealth inequality. But, you can say he sure as hell hasn't done anything to prevent it.

 

Personally, I don't trust any of the data just like I don't trust propaganda crap Republicans put out trashing Obama. There are people in this world that gain power by convincing enough people that those evil rich people are the cause of all your problems. They gain enough power and money from doing that, that they are no different than wealthy business owners fighting for what makes them more money.

 

To think any different is completely burying your head in the sand. Think about it. They throw out so much crap on this subject that can't be verified but it seems like the information is never questioned.

 

I agree with you on many points. Both parties are guilty of not being fully transparent and spinning facts to support their own personal causes. And I also agree that income inequality was fully in existence prior to Obama taking office. My only point is that it has gotten worse under his tenure, not better, and I do feel he deserves sufficient blame for this topic that the left typically states they are the champions of. Their rhetoric and the data do not align.

[cornographic]

LOL....you act like what Europeans did to Native Americans is the norm for what the US economic system does to people. There is no excuse for what Europeans did to the Native Americans and bringing it up as though I would support that because I support capitalism is laughable at best.

 

What they did to Native Americans is inexcusable and completely ignorant. However, I will say this. Native Americans were doing just as bad of stuff between various tribes as we ever did to them. Read some time about Red Cloud and his early years growing up and becoming the warrior he is known to be. He was a brutal and ruthless man that had absolutely no problem slaughtering villages or groups of people for simply being of a different tribe and setting foot on land he claimed as his tribe's land.

 

I'm almost done reading this book now. It's a fantastic read about Native Americans before Europeans showed up and the history of the Indian wars.

 

Saying that, this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism and the perceived evil of it.

Hmm, I would differentiate between Native American cross tribal battles with little or no net reduction in population and outright genocide conducted by the Europeans and subsequent Americans(see Andrew Jackson, etc). Something like a population kill off from ~15-18,000,000 to ~250,000. And the incredibly sadistic nature of how the Euros/Ameros--young and old-- celebrated the human spoils of battle--playing kickball with heads, body parts as souveniers, etc--well, maybe just stick to your Anglo/Amero authored 'history' of Red Cloud.. The number of African slaves dying in the process of crossing the Atlantic is in the millions of course, not to mention the numbers that died during the hard labor of accumulating the product(cotton) to enrich their capitalistic masters.

 

Anyway, I can see you and most likely your 'rich friends' are set in the perceptions that have been given to you(i.e., propaganda machine), so I will spare point out the incredibly lengthy list of genocides, all over the world, that have been conducted under the auspices of capitalism, or more specifically imperialism, and continue to this day with no particular end in sight.

[BigRedBuster]

 

LOL....you act like what Europeans did to Native Americans is the norm for what the US economic system does to people. There is no excuse for what Europeans did to the Native Americans and bringing it up as though I would support that because I support capitalism is laughable at best.

 

What they did to Native Americans is inexcusable and completely ignorant. However, I will say this. Native Americans were doing just as bad of stuff between various tribes as we ever did to them. Read some time about Red Cloud and his early years growing up and becoming the warrior he is known to be. He was a brutal and ruthless man that had absolutely no problem slaughtering villages or groups of people for simply being of a different tribe and setting foot on land he claimed as his tribe's land.

 

I'm almost done reading this book now. It's a fantastic read about Native Americans before Europeans showed up and the history of the Indian wars.

 

Saying that, this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism and the perceived evil of it.

Hmm, I would differentiate between Native American cross tribal battles and outright genecide conducted by the Europeans and subsequent Americans(see Andrew Jackson, etc). Somthing like a population kill off from ~15-18,000,000 to ~250,000. Anyway, I can see you and your 'rich friends' are set in the perceprions that have been given to you(i.e., propaganda machine), so I will spare the incredibly lengthy list of genocides that have been conducted under the auspices of capitalism, or more specifically imperialism and continue to this day with no particular end in sight.

 

Hey....what I said the Europeans did to the native Americans was inexcusable. Not sure what else you want me to say about it. I have no doubt that if possible Red Cloud wouldn't have had a problem killing that many of other tribes.

 

And....you act like there has never been acts of genocide or other mass killings under other economic systems.

 

My "rich friends" LOL.....you're a comedian too.

[BigRedBuster]

 

You can't say Obama is the problem with wealth inequality. But, you can say he sure as hell hasn't done anything to prevent it.

 

Personally, I don't trust any of the data just like I don't trust propaganda crap Republicans put out trashing Obama. There are people in this world that gain power by convincing enough people that those evil rich people are the cause of all your problems. They gain enough power and money from doing that, that they are no different than wealthy business owners fighting for what makes them more money.

 

To think any different is completely burying your head in the sand. Think about it. They throw out so much crap on this subject that can't be verified but it seems like the information is never questioned.

 

I agree with you on many points. Both parties are guilty of not being fully transparent and spinning facts to support their own personal causes. And I also agree that income inequality was fully in existence prior to Obama taking office. My only point is that it has gotten worse under his tenure, not better, and I do feel he deserves sufficient blame for this topic that the left typically states they are the champions of. Their rhetoric and the data do not align.

 

That is if you believe the data.

[cornographic]

 

 

LOL....you act like what Europeans did to Native Americans is the norm for what the US economic system does to people. There is no excuse for what Europeans did to the Native Americans and bringing it up as though I would support that because I support capitalism is laughable at best.

 

What they did to Native Americans is inexcusable and completely ignorant. However, I will say this. Native Americans were doing just as bad of stuff between various tribes as we ever did to them. Read some time about Red Cloud and his early years growing up and becoming the warrior he is known to be. He was a brutal and ruthless man that had absolutely no problem slaughtering villages or groups of people for simply being of a different tribe and setting foot on land he claimed as his tribe's land.

 

I'm almost done reading this book now. It's a fantastic read about Native Americans before Europeans showed up and the history of the Indian wars.

 

Saying that, this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism and the perceived evil of it.

Hmm, I would differentiate between Native American cross tribal battles and outright genecide conducted by the Europeans and subsequent Americans(see Andrew Jackson, etc). Somthing like a population kill off from ~15-18,000,000 to ~250,000. Anyway, I can see you and your 'rich friends' are set in the perceprions that have been given to you(i.e., propaganda machine), so I will spare the incredibly lengthy list of genocides that have been conducted under the auspices of capitalism, or more specifically imperialism and continue to this day with no particular end in sight.

 

Hey....what I said the Europeans did to the native Americans was inexcusable. Not sure what else you want me to say about it. I have no doubt that if possible Red Cloud wouldn't have had a problem killing that many of other tribes.

 

And....you act like there has never been acts of genocide or other mass killings under other economic systems.

 

My "rich friends" LOL.....you're a comedian too.

 

Oh, I thought you said you knew 'rich guys'.

 

Since feudalism, global economics have been primarily capitalistic with different degrees of state intervention('socialism') and privatization. The point is, along the topic on wealth inequality, that the capitalism is the dominant model in the world and most of the world's population is poor, that's just a fact. Capitalism concentrates wealth to the relative few and produces poverty for the many(working class) by definition.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

LOL....you act like what Europeans did to Native Americans is the norm for what the US economic system does to people. There is no excuse for what Europeans did to the Native Americans and bringing it up as though I would support that because I support capitalism is laughable at best.

 

What they did to Native Americans is inexcusable and completely ignorant. However, I will say this. Native Americans were doing just as bad of stuff between various tribes as we ever did to them. Read some time about Red Cloud and his early years growing up and becoming the warrior he is known to be. He was a brutal and ruthless man that had absolutely no problem slaughtering villages or groups of people for simply being of a different tribe and setting foot on land he claimed as his tribe's land.

 

I'm almost done reading this book now. It's a fantastic read about Native Americans before Europeans showed up and the history of the Indian wars.

 

Saying that, this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism and the perceived evil of it.

Hmm, I would differentiate between Native American cross tribal battles and outright genecide conducted by the Europeans and subsequent Americans(see Andrew Jackson, etc). Somthing like a population kill off from ~15-18,000,000 to ~250,000. Anyway, I can see you and your 'rich friends' are set in the perceprions that have been given to you(i.e., propaganda machine), so I will spare the incredibly lengthy list of genocides that have been conducted under the auspices of capitalism, or more specifically imperialism and continue to this day with no particular end in sight.

 

Hey....what I said the Europeans did to the native Americans was inexcusable. Not sure what else you want me to say about it. I have no doubt that if possible Red Cloud wouldn't have had a problem killing that many of other tribes.

 

And....you act like there has never been acts of genocide or other mass killings under other economic systems.

 

My "rich friends" LOL.....you're a comedian too.

 

Oh, I thought you said you knew 'rich guys'.

 

Since feudalism, global economics have been primarily capitalistic with different degrees of state intervention('socialism') and privatization. The point is, along the topic on wealth inequality, that the capitalism is the dominant model in the world and most of the world's population is poor, that's just a fact. Capitalism concentrates wealth to the relative few and produces poverty for the many(working class) by definition.

 

LOL....you don't know rich people? Maybe that's part of your problem. You seem to demonize these people you don't know very well.

 

Poor people have been created by absolutely every economic system known to man. AND, most of the severe poverty you see in the world is created by extremely poor governments and dictators. That doesn't necessarily have to do with capitalism.

 

Almost all people who have cancer have eaten carrots in their life so therefore Carrots cause cancer. That is just as reasonable statement as yours about how many poor people there are in the world so therefore it must be capitalism that has caused it.

[cornographic]

 

 

 

 

LOL....you act like what Europeans did to Native Americans is the norm for what the US economic system does to people. There is no excuse for what Europeans did to the Native Americans and bringing it up as though I would support that because I support capitalism is laughable at best.

 

What they did to Native Americans is inexcusable and completely ignorant. However, I will say this. Native Americans were doing just as bad of stuff between various tribes as we ever did to them. Read some time about Red Cloud and his early years growing up and becoming the warrior he is known to be. He was a brutal and ruthless man that had absolutely no problem slaughtering villages or groups of people for simply being of a different tribe and setting foot on land he claimed as his tribe's land.

 

I'm almost done reading this book now. It's a fantastic read about Native Americans before Europeans showed up and the history of the Indian wars.

 

Saying that, this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism and the perceived evil of it.

Hmm, I would differentiate between Native American cross tribal battles and outright genecide conducted by the Europeans and subsequent Americans(see Andrew Jackson, etc). Somthing like a population kill off from ~15-18,000,000 to ~250,000. Anyway, I can see you and your 'rich friends' are set in the perceprions that have been given to you(i.e., propaganda machine), so I will spare the incredibly lengthy list of genocides that have been conducted under the auspices of capitalism, or more specifically imperialism and continue to this day with no particular end in sight.

 

Hey....what I said the Europeans did to the native Americans was inexcusable. Not sure what else you want me to say about it. I have no doubt that if possible Red Cloud wouldn't have had a problem killing that many of other tribes.

 

And....you act like there has never been acts of genocide or other mass killings under other economic systems.

 

My "rich friends" LOL.....you're a comedian too.

 

Oh, I thought you said you knew 'rich guys'.

 

Since feudalism, global economics have been primarily capitalistic with different degrees of state intervention('socialism') and privatization. The point is, along the topic on wealth inequality, that the capitalism is the dominant model in the world and most of the world's population is poor, that's just a fact. Capitalism concentrates wealth to the relative few and produces poverty for the many(working class) by definition.

 

LOL....you don't know rich people? Maybe that's part of your problem. You seem to demonize these people you don't know very well.

 

Poor people have been created by absolutely every economic system known to man. AND, most of the severe poverty you see in the world is created by extremely poor governments and dictators. That doesn't necessarily have to do with capitalism.

 

Almost all people who have cancer have eaten carrots in their life so therefore Carrots cause cancer. That is just as reasonable statement as yours about how many poor people there are in the world so therefore it must be capitalism that has caused it.

 

Gov'ts in capitalistic societies create legistlation that favors the capitalists, obviously, just ask the Koch Bros or Warren Buffet. Well, if you can't see the connection between chatel, indentured, or wage slavery and the accumulation of wealth by the capitlist owners/investors, there's not much more I can say about it.

[funhusker]

 

 

 

 

 

LOL....you act like what Europeans did to Native Americans is the norm for what the US economic system does to people. There is no excuse for what Europeans did to the Native Americans and bringing it up as though I would support that because I support capitalism is laughable at best.

 

What they did to Native Americans is inexcusable and completely ignorant. However, I will say this. Native Americans were doing just as bad of stuff between various tribes as we ever did to them. Read some time about Red Cloud and his early years growing up and becoming the warrior he is known to be. He was a brutal and ruthless man that had absolutely no problem slaughtering villages or groups of people for simply being of a different tribe and setting foot on land he claimed as his tribe's land.

 

I'm almost done reading this book now. It's a fantastic read about Native Americans before Europeans showed up and the history of the Indian wars.

 

Saying that, this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism and the perceived evil of it.

Hmm, I would differentiate between Native American cross tribal battles and outright genecide conducted by the Europeans and subsequent Americans(see Andrew Jackson, etc). Somthing like a population kill off from ~15-18,000,000 to ~250,000. Anyway, I can see you and your 'rich friends' are set in the perceprions that have been given to you(i.e., propaganda machine), so I will spare the incredibly lengthy list of genocides that have been conducted under the auspices of capitalism, or more specifically imperialism and continue to this day with no particular end in sight.

 

Hey....what I said the Europeans did to the native Americans was inexcusable. Not sure what else you want me to say about it. I have no doubt that if possible Red Cloud wouldn't have had a problem killing that many of other tribes.

 

And....you act like there has never been acts of genocide or other mass killings under other economic systems.

 

My "rich friends" LOL.....you're a comedian too.

 

Oh, I thought you said you knew 'rich guys'.

 

Since feudalism, global economics have been primarily capitalistic with different degrees of state intervention('socialism') and privatization. The point is, along the topic on wealth inequality, that the capitalism is the dominant model in the world and most of the world's population is poor, that's just a fact. Capitalism concentrates wealth to the relative few and produces poverty for the many(working class) by definition.

 

LOL....you don't know rich people? Maybe that's part of your problem. You seem to demonize these people you don't know very well.

 

Poor people have been created by absolutely every economic system known to man. AND, most of the severe poverty you see in the world is created by extremely poor governments and dictators. That doesn't necessarily have to do with capitalism.

 

Almost all people who have cancer have eaten carrots in their life so therefore Carrots cause cancer. That is just as reasonable statement as yours about how many poor people there are in the world so therefore it must be capitalism that has caused it.

 

Gov'ts in capitalistic societies create legistlation that favors the capitalists, obviously, just ask the Koch Bros or Warren Buffet. Well, if you can't see the connection between chatel, indentured, or wage slavery and the accumulation of wealth by the capitlist owners/investors, there's not much more I can say about it.

 

What type of system would you prefer, Cornographic? I see the downsides of capitalism in your posts, and the postives in BRB's....what system would be "postitive" in your eyes? Please keep in mind that I would Identify myself as a "liberal democrat" if asked (not that it matters, just please don't assume you are being bombarded by "a rich white guy" )

.

[cornographic]

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL....you act like what Europeans did to Native Americans is the norm for what the US economic system does to people. There is no excuse for what Europeans did to the Native Americans and bringing it up as though I would support that because I support capitalism is laughable at best.

 

What they did to Native Americans is inexcusable and completely ignorant. However, I will say this. Native Americans were doing just as bad of stuff between various tribes as we ever did to them. Read some time about Red Cloud and his early years growing up and becoming the warrior he is known to be. He was a brutal and ruthless man that had absolutely no problem slaughtering villages or groups of people for simply being of a different tribe and setting foot on land he claimed as his tribe's land.

 

I'm almost done reading this book now. It's a fantastic read about Native Americans before Europeans showed up and the history of the Indian wars.

 

Saying that, this discussion has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism and the perceived evil of it.

Hmm, I would differentiate between Native American cross tribal battles and outright genecide conducted by the Europeans and subsequent Americans(see Andrew Jackson, etc). Somthing like a population kill off from ~15-18,000,000 to ~250,000. Anyway, I can see you and your 'rich friends' are set in the perceprions that have been given to you(i.e., propaganda machine), so I will spare the incredibly lengthy list of genocides that have been conducted under the auspices of capitalism, or more specifically imperialism and continue to this day with no particular end in sight.

 

Hey....what I said the Europeans did to the native Americans was inexcusable. Not sure what else you want me to say about it. I have no doubt that if possible Red Cloud wouldn't have had a problem killing that many of other tribes.

 

And....you act like there has never been acts of genocide or other mass killings under other economic systems.

 

My "rich friends" LOL.....you're a comedian too.

 

Oh, I thought you said you knew 'rich guys'.

 

Since feudalism, global economics have been primarily capitalistic with different degrees of state intervention('socialism') and privatization. The point is, along the topic on wealth inequality, that the capitalism is the dominant model in the world and most of the world's population is poor, that's just a fact. Capitalism concentrates wealth to the relative few and produces poverty for the many(working class) by definition.

 

LOL....you don't know rich people? Maybe that's part of your problem. You seem to demonize these people you don't know very well.

 

Poor people have been created by absolutely every economic system known to man. AND, most of the severe poverty you see in the world is created by extremely poor governments and dictators. That doesn't necessarily have to do with capitalism.

 

Almost all people who have cancer have eaten carrots in their life so therefore Carrots cause cancer. That is just as reasonable statement as yours about how many poor people there are in the world so therefore it must be capitalism that has caused it.

 

Gov'ts in capitalistic societies create legistlation that favors the capitalists, obviously, just ask the Koch Bros or Warren Buffet. Well, if you can't see the connection between chatel, indentured, or wage slavery and the accumulation of wealth by the capitlist owners/investors, there's not much more I can say about it.

 

What type of system would you prefer, Cornographic? I see the downsides of capitalism in your posts, and the postives in BRB's....what system would be "postitive" in your eyes? Please keep in mind that I would Identify myself as a "liberal democrat" if asked.

 

Well, I'm a big fan of the Spanish Revolution of 1936, before the fascists shut 'em down, if that means anything to you. If you want to decrease wealth inequality, well, you have to have a more equatable way of wealth distribution, at least in the areas of life that could be considered the 'public commons'.

 

It's a pretty tough question to answer considering the entire world is by and large controlled by an incredibly complex system of industrial capitalism. The European social/democratic/capitalistic countries--Germany, Finland, Denmark, France, etc--have significantly more humane and equalitble programs of distribution of 'public commons'--would be a step in the right direction, IMO. I mean, you can't let the profit motive control every aspect of life. Of course, Europe and the U.S., in particular, depend on exploitation of the raw materials in Africa, S. America, Mid East, Central and S. Asia for their accumulation of wealth, so it's not an easy picture. Labor, within capitalism, needs unionization to have any chance at all, but the capitalists hate unions because they want labor as cheap as they can get it, so they typically kill off and/or legislate against unions.

 

What's going to be particularly problematic in the not so distant future, is decline of 'cheap' petroleum and related fossil fuels, as the current economy is based on petroleum energy and products. Nuclear is also a disaster in terms of waste.(Finland's 100k year nuke waste bunker http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/11/12/finland.nuclear.waste/). Agriculture will have to go back to myriads of small and medium farms, decentralized-- that operate and distribute food locally--short supply chains--as big ag business and it's insane supply chains- is more and more being shown as unsustainable and actually adding to global hunger.

 

As regards to business, there are 'worker directed enterprises' cropping up with greater frequency, the most famous being Mondragon in Spain:

 

http://www.mondragon-corporation.com/eng/

 

But there are small business versions as well. In short, those who work in the business also form the board of directors and decide--by concensus--how they want to distribute what is produced and the wealth generated thereof:

 

http://www.democracyatwork.info/

 

Your typical corporation is a top down oligarchy, therefore undemocratic, if you think about it.

 

Anyway, it's a complex issue, but you can't let 1 class of people, the "1%" and their corporatocracy, keep going like they're going, buying up and controlling the planet and people, and expect things to 'end well'.