Someone lives and someone dies

[carlfense]

“I would suggest, sir, that, again, this is an incredibly agonizing situation where someone lives and someone dies,” Sebelius replied. “The medical evidence and the transplant doctors who are making the rule — and have had the rule in place since 2005 making a delineation between pediatric and adult lungs, because lungs are different that other organs — that it’s based on the survivability [chances].”

 

Why wouldn't she say..."Sir, I don't have the authority to do that"?

Something like this?

Sebelius said HHS lawyers disagree with Republicans who insist she can take emergency action.

http://www.politico....l#ixzz2VN651UtQ

[sd'sker]

i am confused. i do not understand how obamacare has or is supposed to affect this? it sounds like the decision is being left to the doctors, which is exactly what people feared would be prohibited under obamacare.

[carlfense]

i am confused. i do not understand how obamacare has or is supposed to affect this? it sounds like the decision is being left to the doctors, which is exactly what people feared would be prohibited under obamacare.

Because Obamacare is bad and dying from cystic fibrosis is bad.

[Someone]

She decided against suspending the rules of the policy on the age of somebody receiving an adult lung transplant.

And who said that she had the power to suspend the rules?

Quote from the article:

She can’t qualify for an adult lung transplant until the age of 12, according to federal regulations, but Sebelius has the authority to waive that rule on her behalf.

And therefore, everyone should ASSUME that this is a statement of fact. Nevermind the fact that there are 3 or 4 other kids are just as sick. Nevermind the fact to 40 adults might die before this kid if they don't get a transplant.

 

Let's have policy makers and politicians pick and choose when to step in and when not to. Right. Great plan.

 

Google Mike Leavitt waives organ donor rule for child. (Hint: He never did. It's not up to the Sec of HHS to do this.)

[Junior]

i am confused. i do not understand how obamacare has or is supposed to affect this? it sounds like the decision is being left to the doctors, which is exactly what people feared would be prohibited under obamacare.

Because Obamacare is bad and dying from cystic fibrosis is bad.

 

And Tyranny.

[carlfense]

And Tyranny.

Some people are saying that this is tyranny. Others say otherwise. Who can tell?

[TGHusker]

a related article with more info.

 

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/05/lung_donation_rules_challenged.html

[knapplc]

a related article with more info.

 

http://www.pennlive....challenged.html

 

From this article:

 

However, he said it would be possible for an appeal to be made directly to an adult transplant center, and the Murnaghans said such appeals had begun Friday on behalf of Sarah.

 

"We only learned that we could do this the day before yesterday," Janet Murnaghan said, adding that her daughter had been stable that day and was sleeping.

 

 

The stupidity of the parent or the healthcare provider is not the fault of the Health Secretary, nor does it mean "death panels" are now at play. Obviously they did not check every avenue before laying this at the feet of the Health Secretary, and it appears even more likely than ever after reading this that this poor girl's life is secondary to the political points to be gained by dragging her name before the press.

 

And the right-wingers are screaming death panel! all the way. Lovely.

[TGHusker]

a related article with more info.

 

http://www.pennlive....challenged.html

 

From this article:

 

However, he said it would be possible for an appeal to be made directly to an adult transplant center, and the Murnaghans said such appeals had begun Friday on behalf of Sarah.

 

"We only learned that we could do this the day before yesterday," Janet Murnaghan said, adding that her daughter had been stable that day and was sleeping.

 

 

The stupidity of the parent or the healthcare provider is not the fault of the Health Secretary, nor does it mean "death panels" are now at play. Obviously they did not check every avenue before laying this at the feet of the Health Secretary, and it appears even more likely than ever after reading this that this poor girl's life is secondary to the political points to be gained by dragging her name before the press.

 

And the right-wingers are screaming death panel! all the way. Lovely.

Agree with your post. It seems that one of these high paid congressman/women would have been able to direct the family in that direction. Instead it looks like they are a political football.

[BigRedBuster]

“I would suggest, sir, that, again, this is an incredibly agonizing situation where someone lives and someone dies,” Sebelius replied. “The medical evidence and the transplant doctors who are making the rule — and have had the rule in place since 2005 making a delineation between pediatric and adult lungs, because lungs are different that other organs — that it’s based on the survivability [chances].”

 

Why wouldn't she say..."Sir, I don't have the authority to do that"?

Something like this?

Sebelius said HHS lawyers disagree with Republicans who insist she can take emergency action.

http://www.politico....l#ixzz2VN651UtQ

 

 

Yes

[Someone]

Follow the bouncing ball:

1. Law from circa 1984 (can't reacll who was the President back then) says that OPTN sets the policy and coordinates organ transplants.
   
2. Policy is based on very complex criteria and has evolved over time to increase survivability.
   
3. Since 2005, the children under 12 haven't been candidates for adult lungs. This rule is based on POLICY created by OPTN (not a 2005 federal law per se, as suggested in the OP).
   
4. Never has a Sec of Health and Human Services Sec.over ruled this policy on behalf of a sick child or media savvy parents or a elected politician.
   
5. If a child donor lung became available today, the child in question might not be the one to receive it. There might be 3 children with more urgent needs for a child lung.
   
6. Because HHS is the key policy making agency under Obamacare and because Obamacare = dealth panels in the eyes of some, the wild assumption is that now the death panels rumor is coming true and this is the first example of how Obamacare will allow the government decide who lives and who dies.
   
7. The truth is exactly the opposite of #6. A certain Republican and many right leaning blogs and papers are trying to insist that government bureaucrats, not medical professionals determine which dying child gets a lung and which dying children and adults therefore do not get a lung.
   

Why do REPUBLICANS like Meehan, Toomey, Price--the ones urging Sebelius-- want a bureaucrat, not a doctor to pick who lives and who dies?

[rawhide]

And PoTuS had no knowledge of the event. Ohhh, the tyranny oh wait, sorry that's the horror.

[Someone]

For the record, I thought this thread was about me when I first saw the title.

[TGHusker]

Follow the bouncing ball:

1. Law from circa 1984 (can't reacll who was the President back then) says that OPTN sets the policy and coordinates organ transplants.
   
2. Policy is based on very complex criteria and has evolved over time to increase survivability.
   
3. Since 2005, the children under 12 haven't been candidates for adult lungs. This rule is based on POLICY created by OPTN (not a 2005 federal law per se, as suggested in the OP).
   
4. Never has a Sec of Health and Human Services Sec.over ruled this policy on behalf of a sick child or media savvy parents or a elected politician.
   
5. If a child donor lung became available today, the child in question might not be the one to receive it. There might be 3 children with more urgent needs for a child lung.
   
6. Because HHS is the key policy making agency under Obamacare and because Obamacare = dealth panels in the eyes of some, the wild assumption is that now the death panels rumor is coming true and this is the first example of how Obamacare will allow the government decide who lives and who dies.
   
7. The truth is exactly the opposite of #6. A certain Republican and many right leaning blogs and papers are trying to insist that government bureaucrats, not medical professionals determine which dying child gets a lung and which dying children and adults therefore do not get a lung.
   

Why do REPUBLICANS like Meehan, Toomey, Price--the ones urging Sebelius-- want a bureaucrat, not a doctor to pick who lives and who dies?

 

Good review. and Reagan was Pres in 84.

[StPaulHusker]

Nice post Someone. Well done. But really, you don't know who was president in 84? C'mon man!