Illinois

[NUinID]

I realize comparing game to game isnt really accurrate

A lot has to do with matchups

 

But for fun: NDSU scored more against K-State than they did SDSU- so maybe SDSU's defense isnt as bad as many people had been whining about

K-State isnt an awful team, they played Texas to a close game, neck and neck.

TAs performance doesnt look too bad now- against SDSU

 

When you consider that the SDSU defense was on the field ALL DAY, because SDSUs offense couldnt do anything- it even looks more impressive

 

 

However- yep our defensive performance in the SDSU game looks pretty dumpster firish. NDSU totally shut SDSU down

 

Transitive property is my favorite math rule. NDSU/SDSU is a huge rivalry game for the Bison second only to the Fighting Sioux.

[NUinID]

 

 

I'm going to agree with bye bye to an extent. You can't eliminate the bad quarter, but you also have to acknowledge that the d did settle down and play better in the last 3 q. If you can't see that than you aren't looking objectively at the game.

Problem is, it wasn't just one bad quarter. Not sure where you two are getting your numbers from. Especially in the Wyoming game and UCLA game. It was more than one quarter in each of those. UCLA started having their way with us at the end of the second quarter and completely owned us the 3rd and fourth. Wyoming statistically and visually had our number for almost the entire four quarters. That's only discussing he two games this season out of only four we've played. We need not remind ourselves of the games last season.

 

Geez, we shouldn't even have to discuss how sad this defense has been. I thought it was a foregone conclusion. The entire world knows it, but apparently here at Huskerboard........

 

I am only talking about the SDSU game. Your right about the other games, but I lay equal blame on the offense in those games.

 

Should have been at a minimum 40-21 but they have to throw the ball against Wyoming.

 

You just can't go 3 and out back to back to back.

[memyselfandillini]

I like how this thread is more about both NDSU and SDSU than Illinois now.

[Hunter94]

 

 

I'm going to agree with bye bye to an extent. You can't eliminate the bad quarter, but you also have to acknowledge that the d did settle down and play better in the last 3 q. If you can't see that than you aren't looking objectively at the game.

Problem is, it wasn't just one bad quarter. Not sure where you two are getting your numbers from. Especially in the Wyoming game and UCLA game. It was more than one quarter in each of those. UCLA started having their way with us at the end of the second quarter and completely owned us the 3rd and fourth. Wyoming statistically and visually had our number for almost the entire four quarters. That's only discussing he two games this season out of only four we've played. We need not remind ourselves of the games last season.

 

Geez, we shouldn't even have to discuss how sad this defense has been. I thought it was a foregone conclusion. The entire world knows it, but apparently here at Huskerboard........

 

I am only talking about the SDSU game. Your right about the other games, but I lay equal blame on the offense in those games.

 

Should have been at a minimum 40-21 but they have to throw the ball against Wyoming.

 

You just can't go 3 and out back to back to back.

 

 

well, why the hell not? if their D was making our O go 3 and out, how come we couldn't return the favor?

[It'sNotAFakeID]

No need to overreact.

 

I like looking at stats, but you should know as well as I do that the overall stats don't tell the whole story. It is fair to evaluate a defensive performance differently given how and when they allowed the stats they allowed. A defense which surrenders 500 yards, 245 of which came in one quarter should be evaluated differently than a defense that allowed 500 yards of which 125 yards of it came in each quarter.

 

So, I took a look at the drives against our defense by Wyoming, Southern Miss, UCLA, and South Dakota State as well as the overall yards and points allowed. Big Plays are runs that went for 10 or more yards and passes that went for 15 or more yards.

 

Wyoming

 

1st Quarter:

133 yards (22.1%), 7 points (20.6%), 21 plays = 6.33 yards per play (-1.8) | Big Plays = 2 (9.5%), 50 yards (37.6%) | Adjusted = 19 plays, 83 yards = 4.37 YPP

 

2nd Quarter:

152 yards (25.2%), 7 points (20.6%), 20 plays = 7.6 yards per play (-0.53) | Big Plays = 5 (25%), 106 yards (69.7%) | Adjusted = 15 plays, 46 yards = 3.07 YPP

 

3rd Quarter:

128 yards (21.2%), 7 points (20.6%), 15 plays = 8.53 yards per play (+0.40) | Big Plays = 2 (13.3%), 32 yards (25%) | Adjusted = 13 plays, 96 yards = 7.38 YPP

 

4th Quarter:

190 yards (31.5%), 13 points (38.2%), 18 plays = 10.55 yards per play (+2.42) | Big Plays = 7 (38.9%), 165 yards (86.8%) | Adjusted = 11 plays, 25 yards = 2.27 YPP

 

Total: 602 yards, 34 points, 74 plays = 8.13 yards per play | Big Plays = 16 (21.6%), 353 yards (58.6%) | Adjusted = 58 plays, 249 yards = 4.29 YPP

 

Southern Mississippi:

 

1st Quarter:

134 yards (47.2%), 3 points (23.1%), 25 plays = 5.36 yards per play (+0.92) | Big Plays = 3 (12%), 68 yards (50.7%) | Adjusted = 22 plays, 66 yards = 3.00 YPP

 

2nd Quarter:

20 yards (7%), 3 points (23.1%), 12 plays = 1.67 yards per play (-2.77) | Big Plays = 1 (8.3%), 18 yards (90%) | Adjusted = 11 plays, 2 yards = 0.18 YPP

 

3rd Quarter:

54 yards (19%), 7 points (53.8%), 11 plays = 4.91 yards per play (+0.47) | Big Plays = 1 (9.09%), 15 yards (27.8%) | Adjusted = 10 plays, 39 yards = 3.9 YPP

 

4th Quarter:

73 yards (25.7%), 0 points (0%) = 16 plays = 4.56 yards per play (+0.12) | Big Plays = 2 (12.5%), 34 yards (46.6%) | Adjusted = 14 plays, 39 yards = 2.78 YPP

 

Total: 284 yards, 13 points, 64 plays = 4.44 yards per play | Big Plays = 7 (10.9%), 135 yards (47.5%) | Adjusted = 57 plays, 149 yards = 2.61 YPP

 

UCLA:

 

1st Quarter:

99 yards (19.6%), 3 points (7.3%), 20 plays = 4.95 yards per play (-1.35) | Big Plays = 2 (10%), 72 yards (72.7%) | Adjusted = 18 plays, 27 yards = 1.50 YPP

 

2nd Quarter:

107 yards (21.2%), 7 points (17.1%), 20 plays = 5.35 yards per play (-0.95) | Big Plays = 4 (20%), 78 yards (72.9%) | Adjusted = 16 plays, 29 yards = 1.81 YPP

 

3rd Quarter:

243 yards (48.2%), 28 points (68.3%), 22 plays = 11.04 yards per play (+4.74) | Big Plays = 7 (31.8%), 164 yards (67.5%) | Adjusted = 15 plays, 79 yards = 5.27 YPP

 

4th Quarter:

93 yards (18.4%), 3 points (7.3%), 18 plays = 5.17 yards per play (-1.13) | Big Plays = 1 (5.55%), 18 yards (19.3%) | Adjusted = 17 plays, 75 yards = 4.41 YPP

 

Total: 504 yards, 41 points, 80 plays = 6.3 yards per play | Big Plays = 14 (17.5%), 332 yards (65.9%) | Adjusted = 66 plays, 172 yards = 2.61 YPP

 

South Dakota State:

 

1st Quarter:

170 yards (36.5%), 17 points (85%), 20 plays = 8.5 yards per play (+1.86) | Big Plays = 7 (35%), 162 yards (95.3%) | Adjusted = 13 plays, 8 yards = 0.61 YPP

 

2nd Quarter:

103 yards (22.1%), 0 points (0%), 16 plays = 6.44 yards per play (-0.20) | Big Plays = 3 (18.7%), 49 yards (47.6%) | Adjusted = 13 plays, 54 yards = 4.15 YPP

 

3rd Quarter:

158 yards (34%), 3 points (15%), 26 plays = 6.08 yards per play (-0.56) | Big Plays = 4 (15.4%), 62 yards (39.2%) | Adjusted = 22 plays, 96 yards = 4.36 YPP

 

4th Quarter:

42 yards (9%), 0 points (0%), 8 plays = 5.25 yards per play (-1.39) | Big Plays = 2 (25%), 52 yards (124%) | Adjusted = 6 plays, -10 yards = -1.67 YPP

 

Total: 465 yards, 20 points, 70 plays = 6.64 yards per play | Big Plays = 16 (22.9%), 325 yards (69.9%) | Adjusted = 54 plays, 140 yards = 2.59 YPP

 

 

Ranking the games in order of defensive performance from best to worst:

 

1) Southern Miss

2) UCLA

3) Wyoming

4) SDSU

 

Make of those stats what you want to, I just put them out here for you guys.

[zoogs]

Not to ask you to go back and do even more work BBXII, but I'm curious -- what about the yards-per-play figures for each quarter? I think that's a more interesting measure generally, than simply yards.

[True2tRA]

No need to overreact.

 

I like looking at stats, but you should know as well as I do that the overall stats don't tell the whole story. It is fair to evaluate a defensive performance differently given how and when they allowed the stats they allowed. A defense which surrenders 500 yards, 245 of which came in one quarter should be evaluated differently than a defense that allowed 500 yards of which 125 yards of it came in each quarter.

 

So, I took a look at the drives against our defense by Wyoming, Southern Miss, UCLA, and South Dakota State as well as the overall yards and points allowed.

 

Wyoming

 

1st Quarter: 133 yards (22.1%), 7 points (20.6%)

2nd Quarter: 152 yards (25.2%), 7 points (20.6%)

3rd Quarter: 128 yards (21.2%), 7 points (20.6%)

4th Quarter: 190 yards (31.5%), 13 points (38.2%)

 

Total: 602 yards, 34 points

 

Southern Mississippi:

 

1st Quarter: 134 yards (47.2%), 3 points (23.1%)

2nd Quarter: 20 yards (7%), 3 points (23.1%)

3rd Quarter: 54 yards (19%), 7 points (53.8%)

4th Quarter: 73 yards (25.7%), 0 points (0%)

 

Total: 284 yards, 13 points

 

UCLA:

 

1st Quarter: 99 yards (19.6%), 3 points (7.3%)

2nd Quarter: 107 yards (21.2%), 7 points (17.1%)

3rd Quarter: 243 yards (48.2%), 28 points (68.3%)

4th Quarter: 93 yards (18.4%), 3 points (7.3%)

 

Total: 504 yards, 41 points

 

South Dakota State:

 

1st Quarter: 170 yards (36.5%), 17 points (85%)

2nd Quarter: 103 yards (22.1%), 0 points (0%)

3rd Quarter: 158 yards (34%), 3 points (15%)

4th Quarter: 42 yards (9%), 0 points (0%)

 

Total: 465 yards, 20 points

 

 

Ranking the games in order of defensive performance from best to worst:

 

1) Southern Miss

2) UCLA

3) Wyoming

4) SDSU

 

Make of those stats what you want to, I just put them out here for you guys.

Kind of debunks your whole argument with me above huh? It's okay. I'm used to being right.

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Not to ask you to go back and do even more work BBXII, but I'm curious -- what about the yards-per-play figures for each quarter? I think that's a more interesting measure generally, than simply yards.

Done!

[It'sNotAFakeID]

No need to overreact.

 

I like looking at stats, but you should know as well as I do that the overall stats don't tell the whole story. It is fair to evaluate a defensive performance differently given how and when they allowed the stats they allowed. A defense which surrenders 500 yards, 245 of which came in one quarter should be evaluated differently than a defense that allowed 500 yards of which 125 yards of it came in each quarter.

 

So, I took a look at the drives against our defense by Wyoming, Southern Miss, UCLA, and South Dakota State as well as the overall yards and points allowed.

 

Wyoming

 

1st Quarter: 133 yards (22.1%), 7 points (20.6%)

2nd Quarter: 152 yards (25.2%), 7 points (20.6%)

3rd Quarter: 128 yards (21.2%), 7 points (20.6%)

4th Quarter: 190 yards (31.5%), 13 points (38.2%)

 

Total: 602 yards, 34 points

 

Southern Mississippi:

 

1st Quarter: 134 yards (47.2%), 3 points (23.1%)

2nd Quarter: 20 yards (7%), 3 points (23.1%)

3rd Quarter: 54 yards (19%), 7 points (53.8%)

4th Quarter: 73 yards (25.7%), 0 points (0%)

 

Total: 284 yards, 13 points

 

UCLA:

 

1st Quarter: 99 yards (19.6%), 3 points (7.3%)

2nd Quarter: 107 yards (21.2%), 7 points (17.1%)

3rd Quarter: 243 yards (48.2%), 28 points (68.3%)

4th Quarter: 93 yards (18.4%), 3 points (7.3%)

 

Total: 504 yards, 41 points

 

South Dakota State:

 

1st Quarter: 170 yards (36.5%), 17 points (85%)

2nd Quarter: 103 yards (22.1%), 0 points (0%)

3rd Quarter: 158 yards (34%), 3 points (15%)

4th Quarter: 42 yards (9%), 0 points (0%)

 

Total: 465 yards, 20 points

 

 

Ranking the games in order of defensive performance from best to worst:

 

1) Southern Miss

2) UCLA

3) Wyoming

4) SDSU

 

Make of those stats what you want to, I just put them out here for you guys.

Kind of debunks your whole argument with me above huh? It's okay. I'm used to being right.

 

I don't know--you're partially right and I'm partially right. SDSU and Wyoming definitely lean your way, but UCLA leans my way. We'll split the difference.

[Abdullah the Butcher]

South Dakota State had 227 yards rushing against us, -32 against North Dakota State......I know they are good but not that good damn.

[It'sNotAFakeID]

South Dakota State had 335 yards rushing against us, -32 against North Dakota State......I know they are good but not that good damn.

 

Where are you getting 335 from? I see 227 on ESPN

[suigeneris]

Illinois beat an FCS team by 8, lost by 10 to a team ranked #18, and blew out Cincy and Miami (OH).

 

We squeaked by a good mediocre MWC team by 3, lost by 20 to a team ranked #16, and blew out an FCS team and Southern Miss.

 

My gut says we're going to win easily because "we're Nebraska the they're Illinois." But I don't think that someone looking at the game without that kind of baggage would expect Nebraska to win in a blowout. Unfortunately, this should be a good game.

Edited September 29, 2013 by suigeneris

[Abdullah the Butcher]

I looked at Nebraska's box score but still a 250 yard swing from us to NDSU.

[suigeneris]

No need to overreact.

 

I like looking at stats, but you should know as well as I do that the overall stats don't tell the whole story. It is fair to evaluate a defensive performance differently given how and when they allowed the stats they allowed. A defense which surrenders 500 yards, 245 of which came in one quarter should be evaluated differently than a defense that allowed 500 yards of which 125 yards of it came in each quarter.

 

Are you assuming that college defenses normally give up (or offenses normally get) around the same number of yards and points in each quarter of any particular game?

[zoogs]

Oh, definitely that's not the case, but something like this presents a slightly less macro story of the game as it unfolds, compared to just total game stats. We can see, for example, that the defense totally gave way to Wyoming late in the game, at the worst time. UCLA we opened up very impressively and then they turned it around and kicked our asses in the second half. SDSU was never stuffed, but held (comparatively) in check compared with a pretty rough start to the game.