Glendower Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Frank was my idol in when I was in high school. Gave me inspiration to play the game, being quite small back then. Heart of lion, a mean streak only seen on the field. But many forget that there were other reasons Frank left. The AD (unnamed) really had no choice in the matter. Carlesque shall we say. I think a good man, that made a mistake. He paid dearly for it. He has had some judgment problems at Ohio to. I think if some things had not happened he might still be here. He would have figured out how to recruit, and how to use his QB, as it seems he did that almost instantly at Ohio. Unfortunately as we talk about him he is having a bad season. Hope he figures it out quick and finishes on a high note, can not be that many more years left. Would love to see him come back for a Frankie day. He deserves one for all that he did for this program, and the love he has for it. So many of these "judgement problems" have been thrown around over the years. Many of which are fallacies. Which one are we speaking of here?? That's what I'd like to know, too. I just hear these rumors, and, after all these years, nothing has substantiated. Is this just mostly guessing? I'm starting to think that it is. "Oh, he probably blah blah blah..." Becomes "He DID blah blah blah!" Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 But many forget that there were other reasons Frank left. The AD (unnamed) really had no choice in the matter. Carlesque shall we say. False. Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 But many forget that there were other reasons Frank left. The AD (unnamed) really had no choice in the matter. Carlesque shall we say. False. You sure about that? Because half of the problem revealed itself the next season in Ohio, when Frank was arrested on a DUI charge after passing out in his car. Quote Link to comment
skersfan Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Unfortunately it is not false. People make mistakes, and some of those mistakes are made because of heartbreak over losing their jobs. Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 You can debate who inherited the fuller cupboard, Osborne or Solich, but Frank's first six seasons were more productive than Osborne's first six seasons. You'd have to get past that 7-7 season in 2002 (and the Huskers did in 2003) but a lot of fans just can't do that. As for Solich's Black Friday loss against Colorado, a loss so bad it cursed us? You may have forgotten just how cursed Tom Osborne was against Oklahoma. That includes nationally televised beatdowns of 27 - 0 in 1973, 35 -10 in 1975 and 38 - 7 in 1977. They were at least as bad as Frank's Colorado loss, and as I recall, the program rebounded. In the 1973 game, the 10th ranked Huskers never even got the ball into Oklahoma territory. 1975 game they rushed for 70 yards and had 4 turnovers. Then again, there were plenty of folks who wanted to fire Tom Osborne after six seasons. Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Unfortunately it is not false. People make mistakes, and some of those mistakes are made because of heartbreak over losing their jobs. If Frank did what he did because of heartbreak, he was pretty heartbroken during much of his Nebraska career. Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 But many forget that there were other reasons Frank left. The AD (unnamed) really had no choice in the matter. Carlesque shall we say. False. You sure about that? Because half of the problem revealed itself the next season in Ohio, when Frank was arrested on a DUI charge after passing out in his car. False. He took the next season off. Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Maybe I misinterpreted "Carlesque"? Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 You can debate who inherited the fuller cupboard, Osborne or Solich, but Frank's first six seasons were more productive than Osborne's first six seasons. You'd have to get past that 7-7 season in 2002 (and the Huskers did in 2003) but a lot of fans just can't do that. As for Solich's Black Friday loss against Colorado, a loss so bad it cursed us? You may have forgotten just how cursed Tom Osborne was against Oklahoma. That includes nationally televised beatdowns of 27 - 0 in 1973, 35 -10 in 1975 and 38 - 7 in 1977. They were at least as bad as Frank's Colorado loss, and as I recall, the program rebounded. In the 1973 game, the 10th ranked Huskers never even got the ball into Oklahoma territory. 1975 game they rushed for 70 yards and had 4 turnovers. Then again, there were plenty of folks who wanted to fire Tom Osborne after six seasons. Tom was cursed against the Land Thieves. But he stuck it out and eventually gained the upper hand in later decades. Persistence and dedication, winning the right way and all that. The Curse of Black Friday is different, though. Not so that we're cursed against the Fluffs; nay, it is the curse of being irrelevant. Since the fluke of us being in the Rose Bowl that year, not ONCE in 12, count 'em TWELVE YEARS has the Nebraska Football Program been anywhere close to the top nationally. No conference championships. No BCS bowls. I'm not a gray-hair expecting 90's glory every game and season. I understand there will be down years. We've had our shots, but something always seems to make the ball bounce wrong, or hit the ground a second too soon. For some unknown reason we show up flat and get trucked by a fired up Wisconsin squad; or we have OU against the ropes twice, but they find a way to beat us, just like they used to. A kicker never kicks the ball out of bounds does so when it's the worst thing that can happen. Injuries to key players, every year. It's always SOMETHING. What else would you call it? A program like Nebraska's with EVERYTHING they have at their disposal - incredible facilities, fan support, monetary support, sellout streaks, nationwide fan base, etc., and we're going on 12 years of second best or worse? Call me entitled or whatever, but understand that I live and die between the whistles just like every other die-hard here. I was as excited as anyone with the Wester-catch, and counted it as a lucky break and a solid win. I'm not calling for a new coach or any of that. I'm just waiting for the curse that started one god-forsaken night in Boulder to die. Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Fair enough, but the "trough" Nebraska has experienced between the years of 2002 and 2013 would be the salad days for a lot of NCAA programs. I'm not a happy 10 - 4 season camper myself, but if we call the Huskers cursed I worry that God will rain down flaming hell just to show us that our definition of cursed is pretty candyass. Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 You can debate who inherited the fuller cupboard, Osborne or Solich, but Frank's first six seasons were more productive than Osborne's first six seasons. You'd have to get past that 7-7 season in 2002 (and the Huskers did in 2003) but a lot of fans just can't do that. As for Solich's Black Friday loss against Colorado, a loss so bad it cursed us? You may have forgotten just how cursed Tom Osborne was against Oklahoma. That includes nationally televised beatdowns of 27 - 0 in 1973, 35 -10 in 1975 and 38 - 7 in 1977. They were at least as bad as Frank's Colorado loss, and as I recall, the program rebounded. In the 1973 game, the 10th ranked Huskers never even got the ball into Oklahoma territory. 1975 game they rushed for 70 yards and had 4 turnovers. Then again, there were plenty of folks who wanted to fire Tom Osborne after six seasons. Tom was cursed against the Land Thieves. But he stuck it out and eventually gained the upper hand in later decades. Persistence and dedication, winning the right way and all that. The Curse of Black Friday is different, though. Not so that we're cursed against the Fluffs; nay, it is the curse of being irrelevant. Since the fluke of us being in the Rose Bowl that year, not ONCE in 12, count 'em TWELVE YEARS has the Nebraska Football Program been anywhere close to the top nationally. No conference championships. No BCS bowls. I'm not a gray-hair expecting 90's glory every game and season. I understand there will be down years. We've had our shots, but something always seems to make the ball bounce wrong, or hit the ground a second too soon. For some unknown reason we show up flat and get trucked by a fired up Wisconsin squad; or we have OU against the ropes twice, but they find a way to beat us, just like they used to. A kicker never kicks the ball out of bounds does so when it's the worst thing that can happen. Injuries to key players, every year. It's always SOMETHING. What else would you call it? A program like Nebraska's with EVERYTHING they have at their disposal - incredible facilities, fan support, monetary support, sellout streaks, nationwide fan base, etc., and we're going on 12 years of second best or worse? Call me entitled or whatever, but understand that I live and die between the whistles just like every other die-hard here. I was as excited as anyone with the Wester-catch, and counted it as a lucky break and a solid win. I'm not calling for a new coach or any of that. I'm just waiting for the curse that started one god-forsaken night in Boulder to die. The curse's initials are SP. We were ranked in the top ten at some point every single season under Solich. Bo has gotten us back up there a couple times. If Martinez was healthy all season, we'd be top 5 right now. We're close. Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Fair enough, but the "trough" Nebraska has experienced between the years of 2002 and 2013 would be the salad days for a lot of NCAA programs. I'm not a happy 10 - 4 season camper myself, but if we call the Huskers cursed I worry that God will rain down flaming hell just to show us that our definition of cursed is pretty candyass. GBR! Quote Link to comment
motorboatjonesNU Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 You are not missing anything, dumbest firing ever. Eeeeehhhhh...don't know 'bout that. Even though Frank did probably deserve another year, 7-7 in 2002 and three very bad losses in 03 did him in. Plus, he was a poor communicator (his sound bytes during games on TV were painful - 30 seconds of saying nothing), laisez-faire recruiter at best (with an aging staff that some members of which never left campus) and TERRIBLE game planner. Wasn't it D'Angelo Evans, who played under both TO and FF, that said, "With Osborne, football was chess; with Solich it was checkers." Spot on, there, D'Angelo. Compound that with whining about not being in a BCS bowl after a three-loss (very nearly four - thanks, Mike Rucker!) 1998 season. FF was a great player and a great assistant - but took the keys to the Cadillac and ran into the sides of the garage too many times. Quote Link to comment
HuskerNationNick Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Firing Frank was the stupidest move in college football history. In hindsight, it's obvious. How so? In 6 years, AFTER taking over a successful franchise, he won the CCG one time. Hell, he only won our division one time (again '99). Really, he couldn't with the NORTH division?! Sure, he took us to a MNC, but who is really proud of that? We got mud stomped by Colorado the game before, and never won our division. How we got in, still baffles me, and the outcome of that game shows we had no business being there. Following that year, he went 7-7 and then had a 10-2 season. Firing Solich was something that needed to be done, but when and how it was done was not the best of ideas by Pederson. IMO, he should have been gone after the 7-7 season, or given one more season after his 10-2. At least I can say Bo has done just as much, if not more here as a HC, that Solich did. Bo may not have a CCG under his belt, but at least he has won our division 3/5 years (while going through a conference change and should have won in '09), rather than 1/6. Solich also succesful at Ohio? Not a strong conference, but here is his record there.. I think it speaks for itself. 2005--- 4-7 2006--- 9-5 2007--- 6-6 2008--- 4-8 2009--- 9-5 2010--- 8-5 2011--- 10-4 2012--- 9-4 I am not trying to bash on Solich, as I am thankful for the sweat, tears, blood and pride he poured into this program for 28+ years, but he was not HC material. Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Year Coach Win Loss Tie Pct. PF PA Delta 1894 No Coach 0 1 0 0.00000 0 8 -8 1895 Harvey Deme 2 3 0 0.40000 78 128 -50 1896 Frank Remsburg 4 3 1 0.56250 86 122 -36 1897 Warwick Ford 7 2 0 0.77778 150 26 124 1898 Peter McLaren 1 3 0 0.25000 11 45 -34 1899 Fred Sullivan 2 2 0 0.50000 78 77 1 1900 Karl Core 2 5 0 0.28571 34 86 -52 1901 Art C. Jones 6 2 2 0.70000 108 77 31 1902 Harold Monosmith 0 6 1 0.07143 0 165 -165 1903 Fred Sullivan 2 5 0 0.28571 45 159 -114 1904 Henry Hart 2 4 1 0.35714 57 83 -26 1905 Joseph Railsback 2 5 2 0.33333 48 141 -93 1906 Arthur McFarland 7 1 0 0.87500 158 28 130 1907 Arthur McFarland 3 4 1 0.43750 76 139 -63 1908 Arthur McFarland 3 5 0 0.37500 100 65 35 1909 Robert Woods 2 4 2 0.37500 26 106 -80 1910 Robert Woods 0 6 1 0.07143 0 125 -125 1911 Arthur Hinaman 3 3 2 0.50000 88 44 44 1912 Arthur Hinaman 1 7 1 0.16667 48 168 -120 1913 Mark B. Banks 2 5 1 0.31250 55 159 -104 1914 Mark B. Banks 4 4 0 0.50000 119 99 20 1915 Mark B. Banks 7 2 0 0.77778 168 49 119 1916 Mark B. Banks 5 2 1 0.68750 154 109 45 1917 Mark B. Banks 3 5 0 0.37500 85 114 -29 1918 Frank Gullum 4 0 1 0.90000 140 19 121 1919 Frank Gullum 3 5 0 0.37500 147 101 46 1920 Russ Finsterwald 4 3 0 0.57143 155 44 111 1921 Russ Finsterwald 4 4 1 0.50000 112 99 13 1922 Russ Finsterwald 5 3 0 0.62500 100 48 52 1923 F.B. Heldt 3 5 1 0.38889 64 88 -24 1924 Don Peden 4 4 0 0.50000 64 59 5 1925 Don Peden 6 2 0 0.75000 96 40 56 1926 Don Peden 5 2 1 0.68750 111 17 94 1927 Don Peden 4 2 2 0.62500 85 69 16 1928 Don Peden 6 3 0 0.66667 254 66 188 1929 Don Peden 9 0 0 1.00000 305 7 298 1930 Don Peden 8 0 1 0.94444 266 26 240 1931 Don Peden 7 1 0 0.87500 172 14 158 1932 Don Peden 7 2 0 0.77778 172 29 143 1933 Don Peden 6 2 1 0.72222 277 28 249 1934 Don Peden 4 4 1 0.50000 116 67 49 1935 Don Peden 8 0 0 1.00000 170 36 134 1936 Don Peden 6 2 1 0.72222 112 76 36 1937 Don Peden 5 3 1 0.61111 168 52 116 1938 Don Peden 7 2 0 0.77778 161 89 72 1939 Don Peden 6 3 0 0.66667 116 82 34 1940 Don Peden 5 2 2 0.66667 89 32 57 1941 Don Peden 5 2 1 0.68750 108 42 66 1942 Don Peden 5 3 0 0.62500 144 107 37 1945 Don Peden 3 4 0 0.42857 100 106 -6 1946 Don Peden 6 3 0 0.66667 206 97 109 1947 Harold Wise 3 5 1 0.38889 80 116 -36 1948 Harold Wise 3 6 0 0.33333 98 179 -81 1949 Carroll C. Widdoes 4 4 1 0.50000 114 120 -6 1950 Carroll C. Widdoes 6 4 0 0.60000 165 161 4 1951 Carroll C. Widdoes 5 4 1 0.55000 167 141 26 1952 Carroll C. Widdoes 6 2 1 0.72222 180 160 20 1953 Carroll C. Widdoes 6 2 1 0.72222 245 86 159 1954 Carroll C. Widdoes 6 3 0 0.66667 175 158 17 1955 Carroll C. Widdoes 5 4 0 0.55556 160 134 26 1956 Carroll C. Widdoes 2 7 0 0.22222 136 211 -75 1957 Carroll C. Widdoes 2 6 1 0.27778 134 156 -22 1958 Bill Hess 5 4 0 0.55556 159 102 57 1959 Bill Hess 7 2 0 0.77778 215 101 114 1960 Bill Hess 10 0 0 1.00000 269 34 235 1961 Bill Hess 5 3 1 0.61111 129 116 13 1962 Bill Hess 8 3 0 0.72727 261 112 149 1963 Bill Hess 6 4 0 0.60000 135 103 32 1964 Bill Hess 5 4 1 0.55000 122 99 23 1965 Bill Hess 0 10 0 0.00000 77 210 -133 1966 Bill Hess 5 5 0 0.50000 149 183 -34 1967 Bill Hess 6 4 0 0.60000 223 173 50 1968 Bill Hess 10 1 0 0.90909 418 228 190 1969 Bill Hess 5 4 1 0.55000 256 222 34 1970 Bill Hess 4 5 0 0.44444 178 261 -83 1971 Bill Hess 5 5 0 0.50000 240 173 67 1972 Bill Hess 3 8 0 0.27273 185 321 -136 1973 Bill Hess 5 5 0 0.50000 156 231 -75 1974 Bill Hess 6 5 0 0.54545 249 211 38 1975 Bill Hess 5 5 1 0.50000 164 143 21 1976 Bill Hess 7 4 0 0.63636 253 175 78 1977 Bill Hess 1 10 0 0.09091 241 361 -120 1978 Bob Kappes 3 8 0 0.27273 120 246 -126 1979 Brian Burke 6 5 0 0.54545 238 174 64 1980 Brian Burke 6 5 0 0.54545 222 196 26 1981 Brian Burke 5 6 0 0.45455 228 257 -29 1982 Brian Burke 6 5 0 0.54545 160 259 -99 1983 Brian Burke 4 7 0 0.36364 163 270 -107 1984 Brian Burke 4 6 1 0.40909 134 264 -130 1985 Cleve Bryant 2 9 0 0.18182 181 305 -124 1986 Cleve Bryant 1 10 0 0.09091 196 329 -133 1987 Cleve Bryant 1 10 0 0.09091 127 271 -144 1988 Cleve Bryant 4 6 1 0.40909 195 288 -93 1989 Cleve Bryant 1 9 1 0.13636 191 348 -157 1990 Tom Lichtenberg 1 9 1 0.13636 162 342 -180 1991 Tom Lichtenberg 2 8 1 0.22727 176 308 -132 1992 Tom Lichtenberg 1 10 0 0.09091 145 253 -108 1993 Tom Lichtenberg 4 7 0 0.36364 134 282 -148 1994 Tom Lichtenberg 0 11 0 0.00000 82 259 -177 1995 Jim Grobe 2 8 1 0.22727 161 320 -159 1996 Jim Grobe 6 6 0 0.50000 302 237 65 1997 Jim Grobe 8 3 0 0.72727 301 177 124 1998 Jim Grobe 5 6 0 0.45455 269 303 -34 1999 Jim Grobe 5 6 0 0.45455 271 287 -16 2000 Jim Grobe 7 4 0 0.63636 343 208 135 2001 Brian Knorr 1 10 0 0.09091 198 323 -125 2002 Brian Knorr 4 8 0 0.33333 299 374 -75 2003 Brian Knorr 2 10 0 0.16667 263 372 -109 2004 Brian Knorr 4 7 0 0.36364 221 271 -50 2005 Frank Solich 4 7 0 0.36364 192 336 -144 2006 Frank Solich 9 5 0 0.64286 276 253 23 2007 Frank Solich 6 6 0 0.50000 366 359 7 2008 Frank Solich 4 8 0 0.33333 289 327 -38 2009 Frank Solich 9 5 0 0.64286 347 298 49 2010 Frank Solich 8 5 0 0.61538 357 309 48 2011 Frank Solich 10 4 0 0.71429 427 310 117 2012 Frank Solich 9 4 0 0.69231 412 322 90 Totals 525 536 46 0.49503 19663 19080 583 Quote Link to comment
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