True2tRA Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 http://www.latintime...me-invasion-new Torres killed one inavader, severely injured another and beat the other two out of his home. Now he may be charged in the death of the one invader he killed. As the story says, they had threatened him and his families lives, then showed up breaking into his home at 2 am. His fiance, his son, and his fiance's sister inside the home, this man defended his home and family to his fullest ability. I fully understand and support his right to do so. Here's some comments made from the status update I made on this. True2tRA So you think you want to break into an MMA fighters home huh? 4 guys thought so. Joe Torres beat all four, one dead, one hospitalized, two others beaten badly. Surviving 3 will be charged. Torres may also face charges for killing the man who entered Joes home with Joes fiancé, son, and fiancés sister inside the home. Hide Comments 06 Jan DeleteTrue2tRA You enter my home uninvited, I'd kill anyone to protect my family. Can't believe they are even considering charges against Torres. 06 Jan DeleteEbylHusker Depends on the circumstances. Plenty of instances where killing the person would bring charges. 06 Jan DeleteChaddyboxer Face charges?! Gotta be f'ing kidding me... 06 Jan DeleteTrue2tRA Not IMO. If your family is in the house and four guys force their way into your home are you telling me you're going to let things okay out to see what their intentions are? That might be the last thing you ever do. No way I'd let anything happen to my wife and kids. Kickass first, ask questions later. 06 Jan DeleteNUance Some guy was trying to break into my house a couple years ago. My first instinct was to clock him with the baseball bat I keep next to the door. Instead I asked him what the hell he was doing. Turns out he was blind drunk. Didn't even know where he was. 06 Jan DeleteTrue2tRA Or don't even bother with the questions. 06 Jan DeleteNUance I helped him down the steps and escorted him out to the sidewalk. Never saw him again. He got arrested down the block trying to get into some other guy's house. I feel sort of bad for him. 06 Jan DeleteEbylHusker Things are not nearly as black and white as you're deluding yourself into believing. As I said, there are many circumstances in which a person killing a home intruder could be successfully prosecuted for that death. Reading more about the initial reports of this case, this does not appear to be one of those. However, to think it's impossible, unthinkable, or even wrong that someone could/should be prosecuted in a home intruder death is just idiotic and naive. 06 Jan DeleteLandlord of Memorial Stadium NUance, you obviously should have killed him instead. 06 Jan DeleteTrue2tRA These four men are quoted as saying " I'll come to your house and kill you and your family" in an earlier altercation between them and Torres. They came to the door with a crude shank and a knife. So yea, they may have just been drunk and lost. 06 Jan DeleteHuskerNationNick One deserved to die, and the other 3 are lucky they aren't there with him. I am all with Torres. Someone enters your home without your permission, you should have the right to defend your family to any extent. To be charged is RIDICULOUS. 06 Jan DeleteTrue2tRA I never said it wasn't Ebyl so keep chirping bird. I had the luxury of reading the entire story and the only story I commented in was this one. You put words in peoples mouthes as you're known for anyway, and made out like I said these circumstances apply in all home invasions. So who looks like the fool. You do. 06 Jan DeleteEbylHusker Yeah, sure buddy. lmao 06 Jan DeleteNUance @Landlord: Okay, next I will for sure. LOL 06 Jan DeleteRed Tape I have trouble justifying anyone being killed in most circumstances, but if 4 men are entering my home with weapons I will do everything in my power to ensure they won't harm my family. 06 Jan DeleteTrue2tRA Good response. Chirp chirp. 06 Jan DeleteHuskerNationNick You break into someone's house, for ANY reason, and their family is in it, expect the worst. Anyone should have the right to protect their family, even if it results in a death. Better that SOB than myself or any of my family members. 06 Jan DeleteHuskerNationNick You know, these people saying he should be charged would be speaking a different tune if Torres and his whole family were killed. 06 Jan DeleteEbylHusker It's always to good to remember why I put some people on ignore. Great example here. 06 Jan DeleteFoppa Torres needs to sue the family of the guy he killed for breeding a criminal. 06 Jan DeleteTrue2tRA Exactly red tape and Nick. I don't get the mind set of someone who thinks otherwise. 06 Jan DeleteTrue2tRA He may have a case Foppa. You must be a lawyer. 06 Jan DeleteHuskerNationNick Its YOUR home, you have the right to defend it and your family in any way possible. If those guys weren't idiots and criminals, they would be alive and Torres and his family wouldn't have to live with what just happened. You think Torres won't lose sleep over this, or it won't effect his wife's or kid's life in any way? Its honestly a lose-lose situation, even though Torres and his family are safe. 06 Jan DeleteFoppa I think you're wrong Nick...we're a 'pat you on the back' society. He could've butchered 40 people and he would've got 10 lawyers to drag the case through the legal system for as long as he lived. 06 Jan DeleteNUance @True: You should make a thread on this in the politics forum. 06 Jan DeleteTrue2tRA In Torres mind, they are in his home, he believes he and his family could be killed in a four against one home invasion. Put yourself in his shoes. He did what he had to do. I don't blame him at all. The fact that some would sympathize with criminals rather than sympathize with a man defending his home and family...well it's disgusting. 06 Jan DeleteFoppa @True...last I checked, my wages don't suggest I'm a lawyer What say you? Link to comment
True2tRA Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Nuance, in response to your situation with the drunk guy, I applaud your patience but you're far kinder than I. I'd have knocked him out and let the cops find out what he was doing coming into my home. Not that I'm a mean guy, but if my family is inside, I'm not waiting to find out what this persons intentions are. Link to comment
RedSavage Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I would have tried to evaluate the situation as quickly as possible (split second decision) and most likely done the exact same thing Torres did. Chances are if someone is trying to get into your home, their intentions are not going to be good 99% of the time. Make sure they are actually inside your home first before you act though, at least in the state of NE, or it won't be considered self defense. Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Nuance, in response to your situation with the drunk guy, I applaud your patience but you're far kinder than I. I'd have knocked him out and let the cops find out what he was doing coming into my home. Not that I'm a mean guy, but if my family is inside, I'm not waiting to find out what this persons intentions are. I had an exact situation like this once and I initially was in True2tRA's state of mine, but I realized that not only could I face charges if I took my shillelagh to the guy's head. In addition the guy easily could have been faking drunk, I open the door to club him and 5 of his friends run in. Also, I didn't really want to just mess some dude up for getting a little drunk and wandering to the wrong place. Instead, I yelled that he needed to leave and that I was calling the cops. He didn't leave and was arrested. However, that being said, in these situations, I believe in one mindset... 1 Link to comment
True2tRA Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 I would have tried to evaluate the situation as quickly as possible (split second decision) and most likely done the exact same thing Torres did. Chances are if someone is trying to get into your home, their intentions are not going to be good 99% of the time. Make sure they are actually inside your home first before you act though, at least in the state of NE, or it won't be considered self defense. These men had threatened him and his families lives in an altercation before. They then showed up with a crude shank and a knife in hand at 2 am. Him being a trained fighter is probably the only reason he and his family are alive. I think you're right about the Nebraska law. I just hope the guy doesn't get charged. He shouldn't be anyway. Link to comment
Landlord Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Can't make any definitive statements one way or the other without having been there. Yes, he has the right and the obligation to defend himself and his family - but there's no way of knowing if he killed the man as an act of defense or if he killed him as an act of aggression. And no, just because they were in his house doesn't give him carte blanche permission to do anything and everything as self-defense. That being said, it's unlikely that it wasn't self defense, and there is likely no issue here. 2 Link to comment
RedSavage Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I would have tried to evaluate the situation as quickly as possible (split second decision) and most likely done the exact same thing Torres did. Chances are if someone is trying to get into your home, their intentions are not going to be good 99% of the time. Make sure they are actually inside your home first before you act though, at least in the state of NE, or it won't be considered self defense. These men had threatened him and his families lives in an altercation before. They then showed up with a crude shank and a knife in hand at 2 am. Him being a trained fighter is probably the only reason he and his family are alive. I think you're right about the Nebraska law. I just hope the guy doesn't get charged. He shouldn't be anyway. Ah yea didn't read the story just comments. After reading though I would definitely have to agree. Having received the phone call, then having the door kicked in, I wouldn't even think twice. I imagine once he saw the door kicked in he didn't think twice. Being a MMA fighter, he probably had adrenaline surging through his blood the moment that door opened and was instictively ready to end those guys. Link to comment
True2tRA Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Can't make any definitive statements one way or the other without having been there. Yes, he has the right and the obligation to defend himself and his family - but there's no way of knowing if he killed the man as an act of defense or if he killed him as an act of aggression. And no, just because they were in his house doesn't give him carte blanche permission to do anything and everything as self-defense. That being said, it's unlikely that it wasn't self defense, and there is likely no issue here. I got an easy solution. You don't want to die, don't threaten to kill a mans family and then break into his home with 3 others. Problem solved! Link to comment
Minnesota_husker Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Varying situations. If someone enter your house and doesnt pose an immediate threat, you approach the situation, and handle it. If 4 guys previously threatened you and your family and then show up with weapons... nothing needs to be deciphered. You do what ever you have to in order to remove the threat. No jury will convict this man unless he killed them outside of his property... IE followed the threat to a neutral location. Link to comment
strigori Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The fact that he was not arrested at the scene, and at the time that story had been written, had not been arrested, its unlikely any charges are files. The DA just doesnt want to paint himself into a corner without looking over all the details. Link to comment
Junior Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 06 Jan DeleteNUance Some guy was trying to break into my house a couple years ago. My first instinct was to clock him with the baseball bat I keep next to the door. Instead I asked him what the hell he was doing. Turns out he was blind drunk. Didn't even know where he was. This exact thing happened to me a few weeks ago in the middle of a snowstorm at 2am. 16 year old kid drunk as a skunk. I asked him to leave, he was convinced he belonged in my house, so threatened him with my baseball bat to get him to stumble on his way home (I made sure he was walking and not driving). I don't feel like I put my family in danger. I guess I don't see the point in beating a guy senseless when a threat will do. Link to comment
Ulty Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well, a man is dead by another man's hand. Law enforcement damn well better investigate it fully, and when they investigate a homicide, of course he may face charges. That doesn't mean he will be charged, or even if he is charged, that he would be convicted. With the limited info the article in the OP provided, there is no way he would ever be convicted. However, there are various scenarios where this guy could be on the hook for a murder charge. I think we would all do whatever we could to defend our home and our family, but what if the four intruders came in, realized they were in for a beating and tried to leave, but Torrez pulled one guy back inside and laughed at him before stabbing him to death? Kind of far-fetched, perheps, but that needs to be ruled out. Until then, he may face charges. But more than likely, nothing more will happen, and hopefully no one will f#&K with him again. Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 06 Jan DeleteNUance Some guy was trying to break into my house a couple years ago. My first instinct was to clock him with the baseball bat I keep next to the door. Instead I asked him what the hell he was doing. Turns out he was blind drunk. Didn't even know where he was. This exact thing happened to me a few weeks ago in the middle of a snowstorm at 2am. 16 year old kid drunk as a skunk. I asked him to leave, he was convinced he belonged in my house, so threatened him with my baseball bat to get him to stumble on his way home (I made sure he was walking and not driving). I don't feel like I put my family in danger. I guess I don't see the point in beating a guy senseless when a threat will do. Did you at least call the police to inform them that a 16 year-old kid, who probably didn't know his limits and was on the verge of passing out, was wandering around outside in the middle of the night in the middle of a snowstorm? Kid coulda easily ended up being in REALLY bad shape or dead being in the elements in that condition. Link to comment
Junior Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 06 Jan DeleteNUance Some guy was trying to break into my house a couple years ago. My first instinct was to clock him with the baseball bat I keep next to the door. Instead I asked him what the hell he was doing. Turns out he was blind drunk. Didn't even know where he was. This exact thing happened to me a few weeks ago in the middle of a snowstorm at 2am. 16 year old kid drunk as a skunk. I asked him to leave, he was convinced he belonged in my house, so threatened him with my baseball bat to get him to stumble on his way home (I made sure he was walking and not driving). I don't feel like I put my family in danger. I guess I don't see the point in beating a guy senseless when a threat will do. Did you at least call the police to inform them that a 16 year-old kid, who probably didn't know his limits and was on the verge of passing out, was wandering around outside in the middle of the night in the middle of a snowstorm? Kid coulda easily ended up being in REALLY bad shape or dead being in the elements in that condition. Sure did, but I live in a small town and the police response is... not good. So who knows if they even looked for him. Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 06 Jan DeleteNUance Some guy was trying to break into my house a couple years ago. My first instinct was to clock him with the baseball bat I keep next to the door. Instead I asked him what the hell he was doing. Turns out he was blind drunk. Didn't even know where he was. This exact thing happened to me a few weeks ago in the middle of a snowstorm at 2am. 16 year old kid drunk as a skunk. I asked him to leave, he was convinced he belonged in my house, so threatened him with my baseball bat to get him to stumble on his way home (I made sure he was walking and not driving). I don't feel like I put my family in danger. I guess I don't see the point in beating a guy senseless when a threat will do. Did you at least call the police to inform them that a 16 year-old kid, who probably didn't know his limits and was on the verge of passing out, was wandering around outside in the middle of the night in the middle of a snowstorm? Kid coulda easily ended up being in REALLY bad shape or dead being in the elements in that condition. Sure did, but I live in a small town and the police response is... not good. So who knows if they even looked for him. That's good to hear. As much as that kid probably hates that MIP charge now (if they cared enough to find him) he'll probably be VERY appreciative in the long run. Link to comment
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