SUPREMES STRIKE DOWN POLICE CELLPHONE SNOOPING

[strigori]

Welcome to social media like tweeter bird and facebook users. Snooping is completely legal.

 

Just the opposite by snooping cell phones without a warrant. Exactly the same for land line phone tap. Illegal without a warrant (I think !).

 

The key thing, without a warrant ....... in other words, worthless. Now days, warrant is very easy.

Warrants still require probably cause. And something like a traffic stop, is not probably cause to search a smartphone. And if someone can 'snoop' on facebook or twitter it is because you let them. Both have privacy settings allowing only people you allow to view anything. And overriding that, requires a search warrant. If you have them open for the public to see, then anything is fair game.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

 

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/25/supreme-court-bans-warrantless-cell-phone-searches/

 

 

The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that police cannot go snooping through peoples cell phones without a warrant, in a unanimous decision that amounts to a major statement in favor of privacy rights

 

 

I bet police will continue to violate our rights anyways.

 

Only if you let them.

 

Education is the key in ANY interaction with the police. Know the laws and know your rights.

 

Me? I only roll the window down enough to slide my proof of ins and registration through the window. I hold up my license to display to the officer that I have one. I never roll the window down enough for them to even think about gaining control of anything that is mine, that I don't want them to have.

 

Also; encrypt, encrypt, encrypt! Can't emphasize that enough. Oh, and record every interaction.

 

It may be your right, but that behavior is laughable at best. And knowing the law and "thinking" you know the law are two completely separate things. Go ahead and record, every police car has a camera these days and every cop has a microphone these days. Nevermind that cops now have wearable cameras as well. The people that act like this and record this same behavior are the same ones that look foolish on youtube.com. Could care less how they rule in this situation, doesn't change much IMO.

[teachercd]

Most cops are not dicks unless you are a dick...Just like most teachers are not dicks unless you are a dick...most coaches are not dicks unless you are a dick...and so on and so on...

[BIGREDIOWAN]

Most cops are not dicks unless you are a dick...Just like most teachers are not dicks unless you are a dick...most coaches are not dicks unless you are a dick...and so on and so on...

Agreed, what would people think if they approached a police car and the officer was sitting inside and the officer barely rolled their window down? It's not necessary IMO, but to each his own.............

[tschu]

Obv the correct decision by the SCOTUS.

[zoogs]

When I saw the NY Times alert on my phone I actually thought it was about the massive collection of phone logs. Which I thought would have been a huge decision by the Supreme Court, especially 9-0. This, though, seems like much more of a no brainer.

 

The court did carve out exceptions for “exigencies” such as major security threats.

I guess that's the danger, right? The news media likes to dramatize any situation ("Just absolute chaos," says the field reporter, invariably) and that would go hand in hand with law enforcement.

[MidnightRider]

 

 

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/25/supreme-court-bans-warrantless-cell-phone-searches/

 

 

The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that police cannot go snooping through peoples cell phones without a warrant, in a unanimous decision that amounts to a major statement in favor of privacy rights

 

 

I bet police will continue to violate our rights anyways.

 

Only if you let them.

 

Education is the key in ANY interaction with the police. Know the laws and know your rights.

 

Me? I only roll the window down enough to slide my proof of ins and registration through the window. I hold up my license to display to the officer that I have one. I never roll the window down enough for them to even think about gaining control of anything that is mine, that I don't want them to have.

 

Also; encrypt, encrypt, encrypt! Can't emphasize that enough. Oh, and record every interaction.

 

It may be your right, but that behavior is laughable at best. And knowing the law and "thinking" you know the law are two completely separate things. Go ahead and record, every police car has a camera these days and every cop has a microphone these days. Nevermind that cops now have wearable cameras as well. The people that act like this and record this same behavior are the same ones that look foolish on youtube.com. Could care less how they rule in this situation, doesn't change much IMO.

 

LOL. Because I'm exercising my rights its laughable? I post nothing on Youtube, I am never a dick to cops and I have no vendetta. I will record any interaction with LEO and stream it to a secure location for my own safety, nothing more. I read too many stories about abuse (and have witnessed it, more than once) to trust anyone.

 

Before you begin making assumptions, I live a very calm life. I am not a criminal and I do not participate in illegal activities that would warrant regular contact with LEO. In fact, until I got the ticket mentioned above, I have not had any interaction with the police for many, many years but that doesn't change the fact that one should remain vigilant.

 

Your last sentence states that it doesn't change much. Please expound upon this, I'm curious as to what an LEO thinks of this ruling.

 

One question; you're stating that EVERY cop car in America has a camera and EVERY cop is mic'd up? Even the Podunk, KY ones? Even the one horse town ones? I have several acquaintances whom are LEO and I know this is not true. I find that to be "laughable, at best." Regardless, am I to trust every cop in America who is mic'd up and has a camera, just becuase he's wearing a badge? This isn't a cop thing, I'm just generally not a very trusting person when it comes to people in positions of "authority."

 

You also stated "The people that act like this and record this same behavior are the same ones that look foolish on youtube.com." Are you referring to anyone in America whom records interaction with LEO or just the a#sholes (and they are) who jam cameras in cop's faces while acting like an ass? BTW, there are ways to clandestinely record these interactions without being a dick about it, that's how I roll.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

 

 

 

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/25/supreme-court-bans-warrantless-cell-phone-searches/

 

 

The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that police cannot go snooping through peoples cell phones without a warrant, in a unanimous decision that amounts to a major statement in favor of privacy rights

 

 

I bet police will continue to violate our rights anyways.

 

Only if you let them.

 

Education is the key in ANY interaction with the police. Know the laws and know your rights.

 

Me? I only roll the window down enough to slide my proof of ins and registration through the window. I hold up my license to display to the officer that I have one. I never roll the window down enough for them to even think about gaining control of anything that is mine, that I don't want them to have.

 

Also; encrypt, encrypt, encrypt! Can't emphasize that enough. Oh, and record every interaction.

 

It may be your right, but that behavior is laughable at best. And knowing the law and "thinking" you know the law are two completely separate things. Go ahead and record, every police car has a camera these days and every cop has a microphone these days. Nevermind that cops now have wearable cameras as well. The people that act like this and record this same behavior are the same ones that look foolish on youtube.com. Could care less how they rule in this situation, doesn't change much IMO.

 

LOL. Because I'm exercising my rights its laughable? I post nothing on Youtube, I am never a dick to cops and I have no vendetta. I will record any interaction with LEO and stream it to a secure location for my own safety, nothing more. I read too many stories about abuse (and have witnessed it, more than once) to trust anyone.

 

Before you begin making assumptions, I live a very calm life. I am not a criminal and I do not participate in illegal activities that would warrant regular contact with LEO. In fact, until I got the ticket mentioned above, I have not had any interaction with the police for many, many years but that doesn't change the fact that one should remain vigilant.

 

Your last sentence states that it doesn't change much. Please expound upon this, I'm curious as to what an LEO thinks of this ruling.

 

One question; you're stating that EVERY cop car in America has a camera and EVERY cop is mic'd up? Even the Podunk, KY ones? Even the one horse town ones? I have several acquaintances whom are LEO and I know this is not true. I find that to be "laughable, at best." Regardless, am I to trust every cop in America who is mic'd up and has a camera, just becuase he's wearing a badge? This isn't a cop thing, I'm just generally not a very trusting person when it comes to people in positions of "authority."

 

You also stated "The people that act like this and record this same behavior are the same ones that look foolish on youtube.com." Are you referring to anyone in America whom records interaction with LEO or just the a#sholes (and they are) who jam cameras in cop's faces while acting like an ass? BTW, there are ways to clandestinely record these interactions without being a dick about it, that's how I roll.

 

No, I'm talking about the guys who are purposely being jerks to try and screw with the cops. These are the same guys that open carry with a rifle and are completely ridiculous when the cops show up. It's called a Terry Stop (reasonable suspicion) dudes in video, cops were called for a legitimate reason by a citizen, the cop has the right to stop you to make sure you have a permit to carry or are carrying lawfully for your state as that's their job. To expect the cop to drive by and wave and not "harass" you, in their own words, is completely insane! Never mind the fact that just because you can open carry doesn't mean you should. Most responsible permit to carry holders don't want folks to know they're carrying unless they want the attention. By rolling the window down just slightly the cop is going to become suspicious as to why you're doing that. Why? Cause that's what we get paid to do, so to act like we shouldn't act like that doesn't make any sense. I know it's your right, not arguing that, I just think it immediately sends the wrong message. But I digress..........

 

Every cop that I know has either a body worn camera and/or an in car camera. No excuse for departments to not have them, most states offer grants or can get grants for these cameras and have them paid for by the feds. That's how we get our cameras and the new camera systems we have are really slick. They are mounted 360 degrees around the car so there is no angle that can't be caught on these cameras. They come with a wearable option as well, we just haven't implemented it as of yet, but I know we will sooner rather than later. So maybe saying "every" cop in America was a stretch, but a majority of them do. For departments to not do so they are doing the citizens they serve and their officers a disservice. I've had more than one complaint filed and found out that it was bogus based on the in car camera or audio footage that was recorded by the officer.

 

I say it doesn't change much because in my experience we already go and get warrants every time we want to look into a phone. There really is no reason not to, it just covers all the bases to do so. If a judge gives you a warrant you're doing yourself a favor with your case. Because the "fruit of a poisonous tree" rule is a harsh one to learn if you don't cover your bases.

 

I really don't care if anyone records me, I've said before I just tell them to make sure they get my good side and don't interfere with what I'm doing. Shoving the camera in my face is annoying and is interfering with what I'm doing. You want to hold it in front of you while we conduct business, hey, I'm good to go on that no problems. It's hard for me to wrap my head around the thought process with folks these days reference police officers. I'm not going to stop you for a traffic violation, drag you out of your car, and beat you because I just feel like it. Also you say "I read too many stories about abuse....." That's because the news takes the stories and beats them to death just because of the response it gets. You don't hear of all the good stories in the news about police do you? You don't hear about the two cops that saved a man's life by doing CPR on him and he's now at home with his wife and completely fine after a short hospital stay. You don't read about the cop that bought matchbox cars for a little boy because some jerk stole his wagon and those were in there. You don't read about the cops that stop by lemonade stands and give the kids $5 instead of 50 cents and spends time talking with them to help build up that trust. You don't hear about the cop that stops in the street and turns the lights on in his car just so a little boy or girl can smile and jump up and down. I could go on and on with these stories and the good far out weigh the bad.

 

I see a dangerous thought process in our society today in reference to police and it's going to kill police officers and citizens because of that thought process. I have two young boys that want to be police officers when they grow up and I'll do my damnest to make sure that doesn't happen because of the way society is headed. When I was a teenager, you didn't question the police, you showed respect to the police. Now, I have teenagers thinking they know the law and trying to tell me how to do my job. If the cops wrong, I'll deal with that as a parent, at the time though you'll show that officer respect, bottom line, cause if you don't we're gonna have a problem.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

Obv the correct decision by the SCOTUS.

Completely agree that it was, everyone I've spoken to has thought the same thing.

[Junior]

Here's the question I have... who are the 3 that voted against it??

 

Nevermind I thought I had read it was a 6-3 decision. Brain fart.

[MidnightRider]

BRI,

Thank you for your time and well thought response. I would like to add a few comments and questions:

 

No, I'm talking about the guys who are purposely being jerks to try and screw with the cops. These are the same guys that open carry with a rifle and are completely ridiculous when the cops show up. It's called a Terry Stop (reasonable suspicion) dudes in video, cops were called for a legitimate reason by a citizen, the cop has the right to stop you to make sure you have a permit to carry or are carrying lawfully for your state as that's their job. To expect the cop to drive by and wave and not "harass" you, in their own words, is completely insane! Never mind the fact that just because you can open carry doesn't mean you should. Most responsible permit to carry holders don't want folks to know they're carrying unless they want the attention. By rolling the window down just slightly the cop is going to become suspicious as to why you're doing that. Why? Cause that's what we get paid to do, so to act like we shouldn't act like that doesn't make any sense. I know it's your right, not arguing that, I just think it immediately sends the wrong message. But I digress..........

No, I'm talking about the guys who are purposely being jerks to try and screw with the cops. These are the same guys that open carry with a rifle and are completely ridiculous when the cops show up. It's called a Terry Stop (reasonable suspicion) dudes in video, cops were called for a legitimate reason by a citizen, the cop has the right to stop you to make sure you have a permit to carry or are carrying lawfully for your state as that's their job. To expect the cop to drive by and wave and not "harass" you, in their own words, is completely insane! Never mind the fact that just because you can open carry doesn't mean you should. Most responsible permit to carry holders don't want folks to know they're carrying unless they want the attention. By rolling the window down just slightly the cop is going to become suspicious as to why you're doing that. Why? Cause that's what we get paid to do, so to act like we shouldn't act like that doesn't make any sense. I know it's your right, not arguing that, I just think it immediately sends the wrong message. But I digress..........

No, I'm talking about the guys who are purposely being jerks to try and screw with the cops. These are the same guys that open carry with a rifle and are completely ridiculous when the cops show up. It's called a Terry Stop (reasonable suspicion) dudes in video, cops were called for a legitimate reason by a citizen, the cop has the right to stop you to make sure you have a permit to carry or are carrying lawfully for your state as that's their job. To expect the cop to drive by and wave and not "harass" you, in their own words, is completely insane! Never mind the fact that just because you can open carry doesn't mean you should. Most responsible permit to carry holders don't want folks to know they're carrying unless they want the attention. By rolling the window down just slightly the cop is going to become suspicious as to why you're doing that. Why? Cause that's what we get paid to do, so to act like we shouldn't act like that doesn't make any sense. I know it's your right, not arguing that, I just think it immediately sends the wrong message. But I digress..........

I agree that there are times when those idiots do 2A supporters no amount of good. But, if they are within the law, there really isn’t much to be done. Do you need a permit in IA to walk down the street with a rifle? I don’t here and I wouldn’t expect to be stopped and questioned for doing so. I would never consider such a dumbass move but, rights are rights. Just because something is dumb and lacks common sense, does not make it illegal nor should it warrant me being stopped and questioned. Terry stops are too easily abused.

We’ve become a society of cowardly sheeple if you’re scared of some dude walking down the street with a gun.

 

Are you saying that you’re paid to be suspicious of me, just because? Is that truly what you’re paid to do? I think not.

 

Me cracking my window may not make sense to you but it certainly does, to me. It’s a two way street.

 

Why does it send the wrong message? More importantly, what message does it send?

 

Every cop that I know has either a body worn camera and/or an in car camera. No excuse for departments to not have them, most states offer grants or can get grants for these cameras and have them paid for by the feds. That's how we get our cameras and the new camera systems we have are really slick. They are mounted 360 degrees around the car so there is no angle that can't be caught on these cameras. They come with a wearable option as well, we just haven't implemented it as of yet, but I know we will sooner rather than later. So maybe saying "every" cop in America was a stretch, but a majority of them do. For departments to not do so they are doing the citizens they serve and their officers a disservice. I've had more than one complaint filed and found out that it was bogus based on the in car camera or audio footage that was recorded by the officer.

Concur.

 

I say it doesn't change much because in my experience we already go and get warrants every time we want to look into a phone. There really is no reason not to, it just covers all the bases to do so. If a judge gives you a warrant you're doing yourself a favor with your case. Because the "fruit of a poisonous tree" rule is a harsh one to learn if you don't cover your bases.

Concur, as it should.

 

I really don't care if anyone records me, I've said before I just tell them to make sure they get my good side and don't interfere with what I'm doing. Shoving the camera in my face is annoying and is interfering with what I'm doing. You want to hold it in front of you while we conduct business, hey, I'm good to go on that no problems. It's hard for me to wrap my head around the thought process with folks these days reference police officers. I'm not going to stop you for a traffic violation, drag you out of your car, and beat you because I just feel like it. Also you say "I read too many stories about abuse....." That's because the news takes the stories and beats them to death just because of the response it gets. You don't hear of all the good stories in the news about police do you? You don't hear about the two cops that saved a man's life by doing CPR on him and he's now at home with his wife and completely fine after a short hospital stay. You don't read about the cop that bought matchbox cars for a little boy because some jerk stole his wagon and those were in there. You don't read about the cops that stop by lemonade stands and give the kids $5 instead of 50 cents and spends time talking with them to help build up that trust. You don't hear about the cop that stops in the street and turns the lights on in his car just so a little boy or girl can smile and jump up and down. I could go on and on with these stories and the good far out weigh the bad.

Actually, I do read about those stories too. Just not on MSM sites. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the bad outweigh the good. If the good far outweigh the bad, why don’t we hear more about it? Does the media have an agenda against the police? If so, why is that?

 

I see a dangerous thought process in our society today in reference to police and it's going to kill police officers and citizens because of that thought process. I have two young boys that want to be police officers when they grow up and I'll do my damnest to make sure that doesn't happen because of the way society is headed. When I was a teenager, you didn't question the police, you showed respect to the police. Now, I have teenagers thinking they know the law and trying to tell me how to do my job. If the cops wrong, I'll deal with that as a parent, at the time though you'll show that officer respect, bottom line, cause if you don't we're gonna have a problem.

I see it too but not the way you do.

 

Just to be clear, are you saying that this growing divide between the citizenry and LEO is driven strictly by non-LEO citizens? Are you saying that anyone, anywhere by virtue of their employment position or station in life should receive default respect? In this case, the police?

 

Again, thank you for your perspective. It's interesting seeing how things work in different states/regions of America as opposed to my AO.

[carlfense]

We’ve become a society of cowardly sheeple if you’re scared of some dude walking down the street with a gun.

[StPaulHusker]

 

We’ve become a society of cowardly sheeple if you’re scared of some dude walking down the street with a gun.

 

Perfect response by Carlfense.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

I agree that there are times when those idiots do 2A supporters no amount of good. But, if they are within the law, there really isn’t much to be done. Do you need a permit in IA to walk down the street with a rifle? I don’t here and I wouldn’t expect to be stopped and questioned for doing so. I would never consider such a dumbass move but, rights are rights. Just because something is dumb and lacks common sense, does not make it illegal nor should it warrant me being stopped and questioned. Terry stops are too easily abused.

We’ve become a society of cowardly sheeple if you’re scared of some dude walking down the street with a gun.

Are you saying that you’re paid to be suspicious of me, just because? Is that truly what you’re paid to do? I think not.

Me cracking my window may not make sense to you but it certainly does, to me. It’s a two way street.

Why does it send the wrong message? More importantly, what message does it send?

 

Part of an officers job is to investigate things, being suspicious is part of that, being snoopy is part of that, most people don't do these things, so it sends up a yellow/red flag to us and causes us to ask questions. Cops are inherently inquisitive and suspicious, that won't change cause if we were naive to things people would get away with A LOT of crimes. Police are there to protect lives and property, we'll investigate things as far as we can and dig as much as we can to make sure we uphold that expectation from the public we serve.

 

The general public is afraid in this day and age of someone open carrying a weapon, let alone a rifle, with all the active-shooter situation we have blazing across this country at this very moment. So if I pull over a car and the driver's messing around a lot under the seat, his jugular vein is popping out the side of his neck while I'm speaking to him, his sweating profusely, his stuttering, etc., I'm going to start asking some more questions as to what's truly going on here. That's not normal behavior compared to stopping someone and they are just simply irritated with the fact that they were pulled over. So since this isn't normal behavior and since 99% of the cars I pull over roll their window down all the way and speak with me like a normal person, when a situation arises where someone barely rolls their window down it's going to send the wrong message. If anything that could be considered a normal human reaction by the police officer.

 

You do need a permit in Iowa to open carry any firearms, there are two types of permits, non-professional and professional. Professional is typically only issued to law enforcement which allows them to carry anywhere, although federal buildings create some challenges with this from time-to-time. Non-professional permits don't allow those folks to carry in schools, gov't buildings, state parks, etc. How does that officer know what your intentions are? To expect them to know without making contact with you that you are lawfully carrying that weapon is unrealistic. For all we know you're a convicted felon that just decided to go walk around the streets and dare people to stop you and mess with you. You may think Terry Stops are too easily abused, but if we have a legit call to check something else that's what we're there for. We'll go to it, check it out, probably ask for you to identify yourself so we can make sure you aren't a felon and can carry a weapon and then thank you for your time and talk with you briefly about how you support the 2nd amendment. I know, I know, "I don't have to identify myself!" "What crime am I committing?" "Are you arresting me?" It would be in your best interest to identify yourself so we know you are lawfully carrying which, if you truly support the 2nd amendment, should make you proud to be able to prove that. Rock on patriot, I support the 2nd amendment fully! We don't know if you're committing a crime or not, if you're a felon, then you are committing a crime and now you ARE under arrest. Up until that point you're simply being detained because we received a call. We find out you're good-to-go you have a great day and congrats on having the ability to open carry. We have a duty in this situation to ensure that you can carry that weapon and not simply walk away because you don't want to identify yourself. We can agree to disagree on that, I just don't see how refusing to identify yourself truly helps the situation and shows you support the 2nd amendment. Not speaking specifically towards you just generally speaking.

 

Actually, I do read about those stories too. Just not on MSM sites. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the bad outweigh the good. If the good far outweigh the bad, why don’t we hear more about it? Does the media have an agenda against the police? If so, why is that?

 

 

Because good stories don't sell newspapers, magazines, generate "hits" on their websites and create negative discussion that will generate further hits rather than positive discussion. It's really as simple as why companies advertise their products the way they do. All it is is a way to advertise and market their product. Take our local news station for example, they are bashing some gubernatorial candidates for speeding on the highways. They bash local cops for some decisions that they've made, decisions that officers have seconds to make and people like them have hours, days and months to tear apart. Two of their news anchors got arrested for OWI within 24 hours of one another. Nothing on ANY of the news stations about that! There truly aren't many "journalists" out there anymore that report the news without their opinions slanting people's opinions or how people should react and that's sad. I'm not saying they have an agenda towards the police, but it behooves them to generate revenue for their business by advertising in this way.

 

Just to be clear, are you saying that this growing divide between the citizenry and LEO is driven strictly by non-LEO citizens? Are you saying that anyone, anywhere by virtue of their employment position or station in life should receive default respect? In this case, the police?

 

 

I'm saying why should I have to earn your respect right when I show up? This is the change in this country that is concerning. What ever happened with showing people respect in general? I almost always say "Yes sir, no sir, yes ma'am, no ma'am" to folks on a daily basis. I don't have to like my Chief, but he gets my respect because of his position. It appears you were in the military. Did you not show your superiors respect because of their position alone? Then if they showed you more than just that position did you give them further respect? Because we might as well not even discuss this part if you just simply don't respect people. If folks raise their kids to not respect people they are directly contributing to the problem we're seeing now. I'm saying the divide between police and citizens is getting to a concerning level. Citizens all the time talk about "police state this and police state that" give me a break! I'm not concerned with someone from a government agency coming to my home and kicking my front door down just because. I'm not going to violate someone's rights and oppress them because I wear a badge. That badge doesn't make me the person I am, that badge doesn't get to change the values I was raised on, my parents raised me to be a respectful man with integrity...........period. My fear is I'll come across some guy, no offense, somewhat like you that has more extreme views than you. He'll immediately see the badge and think of me as someone who is going to violate his rights or wrong him in some way and he'll force me to make a life or death decision. That's the reality of the world we live in now with what you are seeing as far as the divide is concerned between law enforcement and citizens. I know one thing, I'm going home to my boys, if Joe Patriot wants to force me to make that decision that's what I'll do. That sounds harsh, but it's reality, lets not sugar coat it.

 

 

 

 

[BIGREDIOWAN]

And to be clear, I enjoy the discussion, I'm truly concerned with what I'm seeing with this growing divide between LEO and citizens. We have to stop this...........