Gun Control

[zoogs]

Oh man, of course he’s a “Hitler loved animals and was vegetarian” type of dude. You’d think it’s a false flag meant to make conservatives look ridiculous, if not for the reality that these people are genuine in their convictions. If you were Scott Adams you might even regard such people (or person) as Master Persuadors.

 

Trump is persuasive, in a way. He could actually convince his base to give s#!t all about due process. That latent authoritarian tendency in our populace has always been there, just rarely embraced so openly.

 

[commando]

when he starts quoting hitler and his lies as some sort of truth to prove his point...it gets easy to ignore him

[The Finger]

Check this out. The bold and underlined below are from Hitler's NSDAP program. Sick and disgusting Jew hating Hitler and sick and disgusting prog dogma are below. Yes, there is plenty of Nationalism, but the extent of this program is SOCIALISM. Are you going to use Snopes to debunk Hitler's Socialist NSDAP Scheme?

 

This is basically the National Socialist German Workers Party Platform. It included measures that in effect would redistribute income  and war profits, profit-sharing with large industries, nationalization of trusts, extensive development of old-age pension (just like FDRs Social Security Program), and free education.

 

Clearly this demonstrates Hitler was indeed a left winger and here is startling proof. 

 

The points of his NSDAP Program were composed by Adolf Hitler himself and Anton Drexler. They were publicly presented "to a crowd of almost two thousand and every single point was accepted amid jubilant approval." (Mein Kampf, Volume II, Chapter I) Hitler explained their purpose in the fifth chapter of the second volume of Mein Kampf:

 

LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN THE NSDAP & THE DEMOCRAT PLATFORM

 

1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.

5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.

6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.

7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.

8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.

9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.

10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *

18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.

23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:

(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation; 

(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language; 

(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.

The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.

The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.

25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly -- if need be to sacrifice their very lives -- to translate this programme into action.

 

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/

 

 

Now, you either debate the facts as I have presented them, or risk being a fan of Jew Hating Hitler, the slaughtering socialist animal. Your choice.

Edited March 1, 2018 by The Finger

[ZRod]

Careful you're running out awfully fast...

 

[knapplc]

4 minutes ago, The Finger said:

Check this out. The bold and underlined below are from Hitler's NSDAP program. Sick and disgusting Jew hating Hitler and sick and disgusting prog dogma are below. Yes, there is plenty of Nationalism, but the extent of this program is SOCIALISM. Are you going to use Snopes to debunk Hitler's Socialist NSDAP Scheme?

 

This is basically the National Socialist German Workers Party Platform. It included measures that in effect would redistribute income  and war profits, profit-sharing with large industries, nationalization of trusts, extensive development of old-age pension (just like FDRs Social Security Program), and free education.

 

Clearly this demonstrates Hitler was indeed a left winger and here is startling proof. 

 

The points of his NSDAP Program were composed by Adolf Hitler himself and Anton Drexler. They were publicly presented "to a crowd of almost two thousand and every single point was accepted amid jubilant approval." (Mein Kampf, Volume II, Chapter I) Hitler explained their purpose in the fifth chapter of the second volume of Mein Kampf:

 

LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN THE NSDAP & THE DEMOCRAT PLATFORM

 

1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.

5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.

6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.

7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.

8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.

9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.

10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *

18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.

23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:

(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation; 

(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language; 

(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.

The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.

The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.

25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly -- if need be to sacrifice their very lives -- to translate this programme into action.

 

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/

 

 

Now, you either debate the facts as I have presented them, or risk being a fan of Jew Hating Hitler, the slaughtering socialist animal. Your choice.

 

I disagree.

[The Finger]

5 minutes ago, zoogs said:

Oh man, of course he’s a “Hitler loved animals and was vegetarian” type of dude. You’d think it’s a false flag meant to make conservatives look ridiculous, if not for the reality that these people are genuine in their convictions. If you were Scott Adams you might even regard such people (or person) as Master Persuadors.

 

Trump is persuasive, in a way. He could actually convince his base to give s#!t all about due process. That latent authoritarian tendency in our populace has always been there, just rarely embraced so openly.

 

 

Is this what you do here? Defend Jew haters? You're absence of facts speaks volumes. Hitler was a sick and deranged animal. And was a Nationalist/Socialist/Fascist Jew hater. Much of that are embraced by modern day progs, like you. It's disgusting to vomit - "Everyone who disagrees with me is a "Racist, bigot, sexist, homophone, Nazi, Hitler, and insane" every single time you and your disgusting violent ANTIFA thugs are busted attacking some disabled vet in a wheelchair.

[The Finger]

Just now, knapplc said:

 

I disagree.

 

Facts. But, brilliant in depth rebuttal. Will you be calling me a "Racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe, Nazi, Hitler, Insane" now too?  

[commando]

2 minutes ago, The Finger said:

Check this out. The bold and underlined below are from Hitler's NSDAP program. Sick and disgusting Jew hating Hitler and sick and disgusting prog dogma are below. Yes, there is plenty of Nationalism, but the extent of this program is SOCIALISM. Are you going to use Snopes to debunk Hitler's Socialist NSDAP Scheme?

 

This is basically the National Socialist German Workers Party Platform. It included measures that in effect would redistribute income  and war profits, profit-sharing with large industries, nationalization of trusts, extensive development of old-age pension (just like FDRs Social Security Program), and free education.

 

Clearly this demonstrates Hitler was indeed a left winger and here is startling proof. 

 

The points of his NSDAP Program were composed by Adolf Hitler himself and Anton Drexler. They were publicly presented "to a crowd of almost two thousand and every single point was accepted amid jubilant approval." (Mein Kampf, Volume II, Chapter I) Hitler explained their purpose in the fifth chapter of the second volume of Mein Kampf:

 

LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN THE NSDAP & THE DEMOCRAT PLATFORM

 

1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.

5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.

6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.

7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.

8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.

9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.

10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *

18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.

23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:

(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation; 

(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language; 

(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.

The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.

The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.

25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly -- if need be to sacrifice their very lives -- to translate this programme into action.

 

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/

 

 

Now, you either debate the facts as i have presented or risk being a fan of Jew Hating Hitler the slaughtering socialist animal. Your choice.

there you go again...trying to tell me that hitlers words were the truth.   i am giving you the finger for trying to preach hitlers words to me

[The Finger]

41 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Careful you're running out awfully fast...

 

 

Reply posted below

Edited March 2, 2018 by The Finger

[The Finger]

16 hours ago, The Finger said:

 

You see these facts I am presenting? Others are reading them. Others who may just lurk and disagree with you or I. Or perhaps only mildly disagree. Thing is, your rope pic does nothing to dissuade, contribute, bolster your point or change anyone's mind about me. Maybe at this point, in ten years from now, your pals at; Google, Youtube, CNN, Fakebook... can sensor things out that frighten you. Maybe the peeps out there honestly don't believe that facts are tantamount to one hanging themselves.

 

But you know what the beauty thing is? You will never ever really know for sure what they are thinking, now that they might have a new set of facts to digest. Perhaps when I come here tomorrow, I will be banned and all my posts removed, because others are "offended", now have "hurt feelings" and their therapy puppies are all ill now. But even if that's the case, you will never ever know who decided to read the facts for themselves, and started thinking something that's outside of the box of your comfort zone.

 

Sorry, too many rage replies for me reply to them all, folks. So if I don't get to your posts, please sleep tonight with the delusion that you have vanquished me to depths ofHell and you won. But if my account is still active tomorrow, I'll open class to the fact that the Democrat party was the party of slavery and racism, so get your HuffPoo, Salon, & Snopes links ready.

 

So, just who am I? Surely someone with a different perspective and new facts MUST BE a "Racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe, Nazi, Hitler, and Insane". Right, open minded progs? Or a Russian! Well, I'm no fan of the KKK or Hitler or racists - these people are sick, violent filth, that should be wiped off the face of the earth, along with Muslim terrorism. Also, my wife and I are not white, have no shaved heads or tattoos and live in CA. Hardly envisioned prototypical "racist".  People shouldn't be forced to defend something they are not (the ubiquitous 'racist' label), because their views differ from your own. 

 

All I want is for you to do this one simple thing - think. That's it - JUST THINK. Not regurgitate what the LW Legacy media and the broken (and now dangerous) school system, media, music, art, video, social media... world, has taught you to think for the last 50+ years.

 

THINK - THAT IS ALL

 

Edited March 2, 2018 by The Finger
Fixed contextual errors from iPhone

[commando]

repeating yourself doesn't really prove any of your points

[knapplc]

People here know all about the history of the Democrat party. Very few people who post here are Democrats, and nobody really cares much if you slander that party. What we all care about are fair facts, be we conservative, moderate or liberal. That's why this is such a good forum, and why extremists don't last long with their left or right wing propaganda. 

[The Finger]

22 minutes ago, commando said:

there you go again...trying to tell me that hitlers words were the truth.   i am giving you the finger for trying to preach hitlers words to me

 

"Hitler was a liar, so when he said he would kill the Jew, that was a lie."

- commando logic

 

Look these facts and quotes are all documented.

 

Edited March 2, 2018 by The Finger
documented

[ZRod]

Sure would be nice if he followed his own advice about thinking.

 

Since Hitler was a Nazi and Nazis were socialist, then it stanslds to reason all Americans are racist, genocidal, homophobes.

Edited March 2, 2018 by ZRod

[The Finger]

10 minutes ago, knapplc said:

People here know all about the history of the Democrat party. Very few people who post here are Democrats, and nobody really cares much if you slander that party. What we all care about are fair facts, be we conservative, moderate or liberal. That's why this is such a good forum, and why extremists don't last long with their left or right wing propaganda. 

 

Are you telling me that you're not a Democrat? Here's a news flash, when someone introduces new material, but counter or different to yours, that doesn't instantly qualify as '"extreme". Nor is it "propaganda" because it differs or offends your comfortable middle-of-the-road-kill position.  

 

You can't define what I posted as extreme or propaganda. Today I posted facts, quotes, presidential programs and laws, and facts buttressed by the links that support them. You either open your mind, or stay entrenched, and shrouded comfortably in the media blankie.

Edited March 2, 2018 by The Finger