United Airlines PR Disaster

[Ratt Mhule]

 

Anyone who says a doctor is not more important than say, a fast food employee is freakin nuts. Thats just the way society is. People get paid more because their job is more important.

So, I'm more important than you? I might like it in your twisted world.

Your job may be. Im not saying him as a person is more important. Im saying his job is more important

 

Its called socio-economic status. I didnt invent it, but it damn sure exists

[Moiraine]

 

Anyone who says a doctor is not more important than say, a fast food employee is freakin nuts. Thats just the way society is. People get paid more because their job is more important.

So, I'm more important than you? I might like it in your twisted world.

 

So we should all be compensated the same because we are all equal. Everyone should be given a living wage, free college and free health care. I like your newfound philosophy.

[JJ Husker]

 

 

So when it's closing time, and the bouncer says it's time to go, if you dilly dally you are asking to be assaulted?

"Dilly dally" might not be the proper term for the analogy. I think it was more like, "I'm not leaving this bar, if you want me to leave you'll have to throw me out". Does anybody wonder what is going to happen here?

I think the disconnect between the two arguments is pretty simple. There is the way things should be and the reality of the way things are.

The way things should be:

Airlines should not overbook flights.

Airlines should not bump paying customers.

Airlines should not bump any customer in favor of their own employees.

Airlines should keep offering higher compensation until they get volunteers.

Airlines need to be responsible for the number of passengers and total weight onboard.

A contract of carriage is necessary for the airline to operate.

No persons time should be valued more than another's.

All people are equal-a doctor is no more important than an unemployed housewife travelling for pleasure.

Nobody should suffer physical harm, ever.

Anyplace that sells ice cream should make hot fudge sundaes free on Fridays.

The way things are (aka reality)

Airlines over book flights.

Airlines bump customers.

Some airlines give priority to their own employees.

Some airlines set a limit on what they'll offer as compensation. (Maybe not anymore because of this)

Some airlines may choose to enforce the contract of carriage and remove passengers against their will.

People, especially those who do not comply with lawful orders, may require physical handling if they do not comply.

Some people who choose the physical handling route may end up getting hurt.

Hot fudge sundaes are rarely given away for free.

I think some involved in this discussion think they live in a world only controlled by the way things should be. And some of those are failing to realize that a doctor's time is no more important than anybody else's. IMO, there is a fair amount of failure to acknowledge the way things are (aka reality) in this thread. Newsflash, we live in an imperfect world.

Maybe everyone should try the "should" approach next time a police officer wants to pull you over for a traffic violation. You don't have time to comply with those lights and siren, just keep going, you shouldn't have to comply. See how it works out for ya. When you get done you can rent Lala Land and feel right at home.

*BTW, this is not all directed at you NM. It just ended up in my response to you*

You just asked knapp about comparing this to message board politics, so I'm asking you the same thing about the traffic stop. How is that a good comparison?

If a police officer wrongly pulls me over, I might get a warning or a ticket and be 10 minutes late. It's very unlikely I'll completely miss several meetings and possibly lose clients or my job. I also won't have to go through the hassel of spending the night in a hotel I don't want to be in and 3 hours in someone else's garage waiting for my next car ride.

The amount of inconvenience someone has to put up with when they comply is important here.

I'm not a Dr. and don't have meetings with clients every day and I have plenty of PTO left, so I would have taken the $. But that doesn't mean he should have. Nor does it mean anyone on the plane should've been asked to leave once they had boarded.

What if he had been flying to his mom's funeral and missing this flight meant he couldn't go?

So we're returning to should've land already?

I agree, it SHOULDN'T have happened.

 

You fell off the analogy as soon as you said "wrongly" pulled over. No, you actually broke the law, just like this passenger did when he failed to comply with the terms of the contract of carriage. Why is this so difficult to understand?

 

Yes, United's behavior was atrocious. They caused this problem to occur but dang people, we don't get to always do only as we damn well please. Until they change the contract of carriage, anyone who flies is subject to it. And until somebody puts a bullet in my head, there is not another single person on this earth more important than you or me or anyone.

[JJ Husker]

 

 

Anyone who says a doctor is not more important than say, a fast food employee is freakin nuts. Thats just the way society is. People get paid more because their job is more important.

So, I'm more important than you? I might like it in your twisted world.

So we should all be compensated the same because we are all equal. Everyone should be given a living wage, free college and free health care. I like your newfound philosophy.

What the hell does a person's compensation have to do with their worth as a human being. JFC people...

[Ratt Mhule]

Youre right. If i ever need open heart surgery ill ask the drunk at the bar to perform it for me...

[JJ Husker]

Doctors aren't more important than an unemployed housewife until you need that doctor to fix your child.

Let's not lie to ourselves. If that was your doctor and your wife or child was sick, you'd be livid if he was held up because some dumbass airline kicked him off the plane due to their inefficiency.

Yep, I would be pissed. I also would be pissed at my doctor if I had that appointment 2 days later and the only reason he missed my appointment was because he got the sh#t beat out of him from failing to comply with authorities. He'd be at home right now instead of being a patient himself if he'd complied.

 

I'd also be pissed if I drew the unlucky bump straw that guy drew. Heck, a lot of things piss me off. Does that give me the right to ignore a direct order by an airline official to get off their plane? Because I don't want to?

[JJ Husker]

This is just embarrassing.

You definitely nailed this. It is extremely embarrassing.

[teachercd]

There are more lies in this thread than there are on our resumes

[JJ Husker]

Youre right. If i ever need open heart surgery ill ask the drunk at the bar to perform it for me...

If you feel that would be wise....what ever floats your boat.

[Apathy]

 

 

 

So when it's closing time, and the bouncer says it's time to go, if you dilly dally you are asking to be assaulted?

"Dilly dally" might not be the proper term for the analogy. I think it was more like, "I'm not leaving this bar, if you want me to leave you'll have to throw me out". Does anybody wonder what is going to happen here?

I think the disconnect between the two arguments is pretty simple. There is the way things should be and the reality of the way things are.

The way things should be:

Airlines should not overbook flights.

Airlines should not bump paying customers.

Airlines should not bump any customer in favor of their own employees.

Airlines should keep offering higher compensation until they get volunteers.

Airlines need to be responsible for the number of passengers and total weight onboard.

A contract of carriage is necessary for the airline to operate.

No persons time should be valued more than another's.

All people are equal-a doctor is no more important than an unemployed housewife travelling for pleasure.

Nobody should suffer physical harm, ever.

Anyplace that sells ice cream should make hot fudge sundaes free on Fridays.

The way things are (aka reality)

Airlines over book flights.

Airlines bump customers.

Some airlines give priority to their own employees.

Some airlines set a limit on what they'll offer as compensation. (Maybe not anymore because of this)

Some airlines may choose to enforce the contract of carriage and remove passengers against their will.

People, especially those who do not comply with lawful orders, may require physical handling if they do not comply.

Some people who choose the physical handling route may end up getting hurt.

Hot fudge sundaes are rarely given away for free.

I think some involved in this discussion think they live in a world only controlled by the way things should be. And some of those are failing to realize that a doctor's time is no more important than anybody else's. IMO, there is a fair amount of failure to acknowledge the way things are (aka reality) in this thread. Newsflash, we live in an imperfect world.

Maybe everyone should try the "should" approach next time a police officer wants to pull you over for a traffic violation. You don't have time to comply with those lights and siren, just keep going, you shouldn't have to comply. See how it works out for ya. When you get done you can rent Lala Land and feel right at home.

*BTW, this is not all directed at you NM. It just ended up in my response to you*

You just asked knapp about comparing this to message board politics, so I'm asking you the same thing about the traffic stop. How is that a good comparison?

If a police officer wrongly pulls me over, I might get a warning or a ticket and be 10 minutes late. It's very unlikely I'll completely miss several meetings and possibly lose clients or my job. I also won't have to go through the hassel of spending the night in a hotel I don't want to be in and 3 hours in someone else's garage waiting for my next car ride.

The amount of inconvenience someone has to put up with when they comply is important here.

I'm not a Dr. and don't have meetings with clients every day and I have plenty of PTO left, so I would have taken the $. But that doesn't mean he should have. Nor does it mean anyone on the plane should've been asked to leave once they had boarded.

What if he had been flying to his mom's funeral and missing this flight meant he couldn't go?

So we're returning to should've land already?

I agree, it SHOULDN'T have happened.

 

You fell off the analogy as soon as you said "wrongly" pulled over. No, you actually broke the law, just like this passenger did when he failed to comply with the terms of the contract of carriage. Why is this so difficult to understand?

 

Yes, United's behavior was atrocious. They caused this problem to occur but dang people, we don't get to always do only as we damn well please. Until they change the contract of carriage, anyone who flies is subject to it. And until somebody puts a bullet in my head, there is not another single person on this earth more important than you or me or anyone.

Cause those who have been in full support for the doctor and the doctor only don't care about authority and/or laws.

[Ratt Mhule]

 

Youre right. If i ever need open heart surgery ill ask the drunk at the bar to perform it for me...

If you feel that would be wise....what ever floats your boat.

Well you said above they are equal.

[Ratt Mhule]

 

 

 

 

So when it's closing time, and the bouncer says it's time to go, if you dilly dally you are asking to be assaulted?

"Dilly dally" might not be the proper term for the analogy. I think it was more like, "I'm not leaving this bar, if you want me to leave you'll have to throw me out". Does anybody wonder what is going to happen here?

I think the disconnect between the two arguments is pretty simple. There is the way things should be and the reality of the way things are.

The way things should be:

Airlines should not overbook flights.

Airlines should not bump paying customers.

Airlines should not bump any customer in favor of their own employees.

Airlines should keep offering higher compensation until they get volunteers.

Airlines need to be responsible for the number of passengers and total weight onboard.

A contract of carriage is necessary for the airline to operate.

No persons time should be valued more than another's.

All people are equal-a doctor is no more important than an unemployed housewife travelling for pleasure.

Nobody should suffer physical harm, ever.

Anyplace that sells ice cream should make hot fudge sundaes free on Fridays.

The way things are (aka reality)

Airlines over book flights.

Airlines bump customers.

Some airlines give priority to their own employees.

Some airlines set a limit on what they'll offer as compensation. (Maybe not anymore because of this)

Some airlines may choose to enforce the contract of carriage and remove passengers against their will.

People, especially those who do not comply with lawful orders, may require physical handling if they do not comply.

Some people who choose the physical handling route may end up getting hurt.

Hot fudge sundaes are rarely given away for free.

I think some involved in this discussion think they live in a world only controlled by the way things should be. And some of those are failing to realize that a doctor's time is no more important than anybody else's. IMO, there is a fair amount of failure to acknowledge the way things are (aka reality) in this thread. Newsflash, we live in an imperfect world.

Maybe everyone should try the "should" approach next time a police officer wants to pull you over for a traffic violation. You don't have time to comply with those lights and siren, just keep going, you shouldn't have to comply. See how it works out for ya. When you get done you can rent Lala Land and feel right at home.

*BTW, this is not all directed at you NM. It just ended up in my response to you*

You just asked knapp about comparing this to message board politics, so I'm asking you the same thing about the traffic stop. How is that a good comparison?

If a police officer wrongly pulls me over, I might get a warning or a ticket and be 10 minutes late. It's very unlikely I'll completely miss several meetings and possibly lose clients or my job. I also won't have to go through the hassel of spending the night in a hotel I don't want to be in and 3 hours in someone else's garage waiting for my next car ride.

The amount of inconvenience someone has to put up with when they comply is important here.

I'm not a Dr. and don't have meetings with clients every day and I have plenty of PTO left, so I would have taken the $. But that doesn't mean he should have. Nor does it mean anyone on the plane should've been asked to leave once they had boarded.

What if he had been flying to his mom's funeral and missing this flight meant he couldn't go?

So we're returning to should've land already?

I agree, it SHOULDN'T have happened.

You fell off the analogy as soon as you said "wrongly" pulled over. No, you actually broke the law, just like this passenger did when he failed to comply with the terms of the contract of carriage. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Yes, United's behavior was atrocious. They caused this problem to occur but dang people, we don't get to always do only as we damn well please. Until they change the contract of carriage, anyone who flies is subject to it. And until somebody puts a bullet in my head, there is not another single person on this earth more important than you or me or anyone.

Cause those who have been in full support for the doctor and the doctor only don't care about authority and/or laws.

Nope, if a law is just and an authority figure isnt overstepping his duties then I have all the respect in the world for them. If an officer comes up to me out of nowhere and asks to see my ID, Im not going to hand over my ID unless he has probable cause that I committed a crime. Why? Because we also have laws in this country that protect us. And its people like you that give into every command why cops think its okay to pull that sh#t

[JJ Husker]

 

 

Anyone who says a doctor is not more important than say, a fast food employee is freakin nuts. Thats just the way society is. People get paid more because their job is more important.

So, I'm more important than you? I might like it in your twisted world.

Your job may be. Im not saying him as a person is more important. Im saying his job is more important

Its called socio-economic status. I didnt invent it, but it damn sure exists

Okay, so his socioeconomic status determines that, as a paying customer on an airline, his time is to be valued more than anyone else's?

 

I think what you want is a world where people are ranked based on their job. Heck, let's take it the rest of the way and require everyone to get a dna test and we'll rank people's importance based on their potential as a human being. I smell a wonderful sci-fi thriller in the works.

 

This argument that some people are more important than others...stupidest sh#t I've heard in a long, long time. And I've frequented HB for a long, long time.

 

BTW, I do agree his job may be more important than many others. Still doesn't mean jackshit on a commercial flight. Anybody that is too important to be subjected to equal treatment as all other passengers better be making different travel arrangements or better yet staying right the hell where they are so gd important.

[JJ Husker]

 

 

Youre right. If i ever need open heart surgery ill ask the drunk at the bar to perform it for me...

If you feel that would be wise....what ever floats your boat.

Well you said above they are equal.

 

Quit being obtuse. They are equal as human beings. They are not equally qualified to attend to your medical needs.

[Apathy]

 

 

 

 

 

So when it's closing time, and the bouncer says it's time to go, if you dilly dally you are asking to be assaulted?

"Dilly dally" might not be the proper term for the analogy. I think it was more like, "I'm not leaving this bar, if you want me to leave you'll have to throw me out". Does anybody wonder what is going to happen here?

I think the disconnect between the two arguments is pretty simple. There is the way things should be and the reality of the way things are.

The way things should be:

Airlines should not overbook flights.

Airlines should not bump paying customers.

Airlines should not bump any customer in favor of their own employees.

Airlines should keep offering higher compensation until they get volunteers.

Airlines need to be responsible for the number of passengers and total weight onboard.

A contract of carriage is necessary for the airline to operate.

No persons time should be valued more than another's.

All people are equal-a doctor is no more important than an unemployed housewife travelling for pleasure.

Nobody should suffer physical harm, ever.

Anyplace that sells ice cream should make hot fudge sundaes free on Fridays.

The way things are (aka reality)

Airlines over book flights.

Airlines bump customers.

Some airlines give priority to their own employees.

Some airlines set a limit on what they'll offer as compensation. (Maybe not anymore because of this)

Some airlines may choose to enforce the contract of carriage and remove passengers against their will.

People, especially those who do not comply with lawful orders, may require physical handling if they do not comply.

Some people who choose the physical handling route may end up getting hurt.

Hot fudge sundaes are rarely given away for free.

I think some involved in this discussion think they live in a world only controlled by the way things should be. And some of those are failing to realize that a doctor's time is no more important than anybody else's. IMO, there is a fair amount of failure to acknowledge the way things are (aka reality) in this thread. Newsflash, we live in an imperfect world.

Maybe everyone should try the "should" approach next time a police officer wants to pull you over for a traffic violation. You don't have time to comply with those lights and siren, just keep going, you shouldn't have to comply. See how it works out for ya. When you get done you can rent Lala Land and feel right at home.

*BTW, this is not all directed at you NM. It just ended up in my response to you*

You just asked knapp about comparing this to message board politics, so I'm asking you the same thing about the traffic stop. How is that a good comparison?

If a police officer wrongly pulls me over, I might get a warning or a ticket and be 10 minutes late. It's very unlikely I'll completely miss several meetings and possibly lose clients or my job. I also won't have to go through the hassel of spending the night in a hotel I don't want to be in and 3 hours in someone else's garage waiting for my next car ride.

The amount of inconvenience someone has to put up with when they comply is important here.

I'm not a Dr. and don't have meetings with clients every day and I have plenty of PTO left, so I would have taken the $. But that doesn't mean he should have. Nor does it mean anyone on the plane should've been asked to leave once they had boarded.

What if he had been flying to his mom's funeral and missing this flight meant he couldn't go?

So we're returning to should've land already?

I agree, it SHOULDN'T have happened.

You fell off the analogy as soon as you said "wrongly" pulled over. No, you actually broke the law, just like this passenger did when he failed to comply with the terms of the contract of carriage. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Yes, United's behavior was atrocious. They caused this problem to occur but dang people, we don't get to always do only as we damn well please. Until they change the contract of carriage, anyone who flies is subject to it. And until somebody puts a bullet in my head, there is not another single person on this earth more important than you or me or anyone.

Cause those who have been in full support for the doctor and the doctor only don't care about authority and/or laws.

Nope, if a law is just and an authority figure isnt overstepping his duties then I have all the respect in the world for them. If an officer comes up to me out of nowhere and asks to see my ID, Im not going to hand over my ID unless he has probable cause that I committed a crime. Why? Because we also have laws in this country that protect us. And its people like you that give into every command why cops think its okay to pull that sh#t

Lol if a cop asked for my ID, I'm going to give him my ID cause I have nothing to hide.

 

What's really your issue with cops?