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DrunkOffPunch    480

Need Mexico to beat Panama tonight. We don't play Mexico or Costa Rica in the final 3 games so that's good. We were out worked, soft, couldn't complete passes, and the defense was yet again suspect. It took us 60 minutes to play with any urgency. The lineup seemed out of sync from the very beginning.

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Cameron is good for at least one stupid arse pass a game that sets up a shot on goal.  I wish we would stop letting him bring out the ball and think Howard or any US goalie would notice this.  You could literally create a 10 minute hilight reel for other teams thanks to Cameron giving up the ball in the US half of the field.  Our defense really isnt very good and the youngsters coming up really arent good.

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DrunkOffPunch    480

US tied Honduras 1-1. Really needed to capitalize on this game. Currently 3rd in the hex with 9 points. Honduras 4th with 9 also, but we're way ahead on GD. Panama sits 5th on 7 points and plays last place Trinidad and Tobago tonight. 

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DrunkOffPunch    480

Panama wins 3-0 to slide into 3rd place with 10 points and overtakes our GD by one. Our final two games are Panama and T&T. Panama has us and CR. Honduras has CR and Mexico. Win the final two and we take 3rd.

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VectorVictor    1,559

The way we're playing, though, getting three points from Panama is going to be a tall order. I don't know why, but we've looked sloppy and tentative out there the past couple of games--the way we looked before Arena took over. 

 

I'm thinking it may be better for us to not make the World Cup and redouble our efforts/fix our issues during the downtime. It would be better than being boatraced out of Russia. 

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DrunkOffPunch    480
1 hour ago, VectorVictor said:

The way we're playing, though, getting three points from Panama is going to be a tall order. I don't know why, but we've looked sloppy and tentative out there the past couple of games--the way we looked before Arena took over. 

 

I'm thinking it may be better for us to not make the World Cup and redouble our efforts/fix our issues during the downtime. It would be better than being boatraced out of Russia. 

The US needs to make the World Cup. The bump in interest helps out the MLS and you throw a young star like Pulisic on national TV and there undoubtedly will be kids that want to be like him. 

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Mavric    9,148
13 hours ago, zoogs said:

We don't deserve the World Cup. Maybe that'll be the wake-up call US Soccer needs.

 

Do you write for Deadspin?  :lol:

 

 

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default_28    94

Deserve it or not I still think we get there. I have never been a fan of Arena, but for some reason I think he's got some method to his madness. I wouldn't shock me if we beat Panama by four goals.

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DrunkOffPunch    480

Atlanta just had 70k+ in attendance at their new stadium. Broke a 21 year old attendance record. Fwiw the average attendance for an MLS team is ~20k.

 

Sorry for OT but I didn't know where else to put it.

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default_28    94

Well, tonight is a huge one. Here's to hoping for an early goal by the US to keep Panama from bunkering. Last three matches between these sides have ended 1-1. I can't help but be optimistic though.

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zoogs    6,009

Yeaaaah!

 

Get the WC qual but act like it was always routine and not a Super Bowl win. Then show up well in Russia. Go USA!

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zoogs    6,009

Wow, it's stupidly easy -- unfairly so, almost (?) -- to qualify from CONCACAF. The US could lose tonight against Trinidad and Tobago and they'll still probably get in because it's quite unlikely both Honduras and Panama will win their last game, and the US still has an out by playing off against Australia.

 

Meanwhile Argentina is fighting for their lives in a crazy competitive region. 

 

As things go now this is could easily be a night in which both the US and Argentina cement their spot in the WC. Argentina by a heroic Messi hat trick after going down 1-0 early to Ecuador, to push his team through by a hair. The US by losing X-0 to Trinidad and Tobago, but watching Costa Rica and Mexico take care of business and ending up 3rd in CONCACAF.

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It'sNotAFakeID    1,839

Wow. The entirety of the USF or whatever our governing body is should be gutted. This is a failing on an organization level - to not make the World Cup in THE EASIEST region. 

 

This has set US Soccer back 20 years. 

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zoogs    6,009

Ugh. Yes. There needs to be an awakening here.The people who decided "let's get back to qualifying for the World Cup and CONCACAF has this tough style of play and BAD FIELDS" and all of that. They have to go.

 

And this has to be the end of the Bruce Arena era, starting tomorrow.

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We need to get youth teams up to par and this pay to play bs put down.  When I played and made ODP for Nevada after the 3rd week it was literally 4k a month to continue on.  My family could not afford that so olympic development was pretty much over for me.  Good players and their families cant afford this so kids with talent tend to go elsewhere or never get the training to move forward in US soccer.  Landon Donovan, rich kid, played ODP, how many have we lost out on due to our soccer governing body not building up the youth squads to compete?  Gulati has been the head for over a decade and has not pushed forwards to get talent trained, we are screwed in soccer for a long time.

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teachercd    2,778
8 hours ago, HuskerInLostWages said:

We need to get youth teams up to par and this pay to play bs put down.  When I played and made ODP for Nevada after the 3rd week it was literally 4k a month to continue on.  My family could not afford that so olympic development was pretty much over for me.  Good players and their families cant afford this so kids with talent tend to go elsewhere or never get the training to move forward in US soccer.  Landon Donovan, rich kid, played ODP, how many have we lost out on due to our soccer governing body not building up the youth squads to compete?  Gulati has been the head for over a decade and has not pushed forwards to get talent trained, we are screwed in soccer for a long time.

Yep!

Select sports or whatever you want to call it has ruined soccer.  I have friends that are out of town every other weekend for 10 year old soccer games...by the time the kid hits 12 the parents are done with it and the kid is done with it.

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This is happening in many sports.  As,I see it, too many games and not enough skill development and training.  The life span that kids do sports has not changed in the last 40 years.  The difference is that kids start much earlier, so now they quit much earlier.

 

my two daughters have never played club sports.  Played 3 sports in HS.  Now play one of those sports in college.  We did rec leagues, but never club.

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Red Five    3,008

I am more upset about the loss last night than any Nebraska game since 09 Texas.  I am still in a sour mood this morning.

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teachercd    2,778
21 minutes ago, Crusader Husker said:

This is happening in many sports.  As,I see it, too many games and not enough skill development and training.  The life span that kids do sports has not changed in the last 40 years.  The difference is that kids start much earlier, so now they quit much earlier.

 

my two daughters have never played club sports.  Played 3 sports in HS.  Now play one of those sports in college.  We did rec leagues, but never club.

Smart move!

 

Club sports have ruined soccer (I don't care about it at all), volleyball (you should see the s#!t the coach at my school puts up with and she has the best team in the state and maybe the midwest), and to some extent baseball.

 

Basketball seems like the only one that has come out okay with it and I am not sure why but for some reason it doesn't seem to ruin kids and/or high school teams.

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AAU BB has issues, but not as bad as VB and soccer.

 

problem is, when you are paying money for club sports, coaches say what parents want to hear.  Not what they should hear.

 

threadjack and I will stop now.

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HuskermanMike    292

So this kinda brings up the discussion of did we fire Jurgen too early? Wasn't he hired in 2011 to get US soccer competitive in a while not a short amount of time? Yes he lost 4-0 to Costa Rica and we were not looking good in WC qualifying but he still had US soccer on the rise. For a team that has never won a cup, we needed to be patient with him. 2017 was a little early in my opinion to fire him, if this was 2019 or 2020 it would have made a lot more sense. 

 

I also do not like how Arena refuses to get players out of other countries with US ties. Outside of a few MLS player our best bet is players form overseas and developing them. In fact, we have a great young goalie currently playing overseas named Ethan Horvath and he is only 22 years old. Jurgens son is someone else to watch out for in the future as he is only 20 years old and signed with a German team, but I do not know what type of competition they play against.

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Husker2019    381
6 hours ago, Crusader Husker said:

AAU BB has issues, but not as bad as VB and soccer.

 

problem is, when you are paying money for club sports, coaches say what parents want to hear.  Not what they should hear.

 

threadjack and I will stop now.

Huh?

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9 minutes ago, Husker2019 said:

Huh?

I have seen club VB burn kids out and destroy HS VB.  I am talking about kids and HS programs.  Not the recruiting nightmare and money grab that AAU has become, ie. the Adidas scandel.

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Husker2019    381
Just now, Crusader Husker said:

I have seen club VB burn kids out and destroy HS VB.  I am talking about kids and HS programs.  Not the recruiting nightmare and money grab that AAU has become, ie. the Adidas scandel.

I guess I see it from the opposite perspective. My sister was on a club team and that was the only reason why she made a D1 team due to my high school being historically terrible when it comes to vball talent. Yeah it's expensive and the tourneys are a huge money grab,  but there are so many girls across the country that play club and so many different teams that I think that clubs are actually better for college volleyball recruiting and the sport as a whole. 

 

Getting back to the original purpose of the thread, she also played select soccer when she was younger and I agree with the others that it was a joke. Costs were high and the product was terrible.

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1 hour ago, Husker2019 said:

I guess I see it from the opposite perspective. My sister was on a club team and that was the only reason why she made a D1 team due to my high school being historically terrible when it comes to vball talent. Yeah it's expensive and the tourneys are a huge money grab,  but there are so many girls across the country that play club and so many different teams that I think that clubs are actually better for college volleyball recruiting and the sport as a whole. 

 

Getting back to the original purpose of the thread, she also played select soccer when she was younger and I agree with the others that it was a joke. Costs were high and the product was terrible.

You are right, my perspective is a little different.  I saw a girl, who now plays D-1, treat our HS badly.  She missed at least 1 big game a year for different reasons.  One was a concert.  Excuse was, it isn't my club team.  She was on a national team and played 12 months a year.  We had 5 girls recruited to college last year.  Only 2 are playing the rest are burned out.  This is also a bunch of girls who only play 1 sport a year.  The other issue is the kids who get cut.  "We spent $ 2,000 last year for club.  How did she get cut?"  I hear this stuff every year.  It has caused our coaches to keep way more kids than they should.  We have had similar issues with girls in club soccer.  We don't see it in girl's BB or any boys sports.

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Red Five    3,008
6 hours ago, HuskermanMike said:

So this kinda brings up the discussion of did we fire Jurgen too early? Wasn't he hired in 2011 to get US soccer competitive in a while not a short amount of time? Yes he lost 4-0 to Costa Rica and we were not looking good in WC qualifying but he still had US soccer on the rise. For a team that has never won a cup, we needed to be patient with him. 2017 was a little early in my opinion to fire him, if this was 2019 or 2020 it would have made a lot more sense. 

 

I also do not like how Arena refuses to get players out of other countries with US ties. Outside of a few MLS player our best bet is players form overseas and developing them. In fact, we have a great young goalie currently playing overseas named Ethan Horvath and he is only 22 years old. Jurgens son is someone else to watch out for in the future as he is only 20 years old and signed with a German team, but I do not know what type of competition they play against.

 

Fired Jurgen too late IMO.  Each coach should be let go after a WC imo or things get stale.  By accounts the players hated him, as he would just throw together a formation the day of the game with minimal practice.

 

Arena wasn't the answer either, but I don't think that Jurgen would have had any better chance of getting us into the WC.  I mainly put it on the current team leaders (Bradley, Howard, etc) for not getting ready to play and giving a crap effort in a game that would determine their WC birth.

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Red Five    3,008

There is also a "lost generation" of US players currently in the 24-28 range.  Guys from that age range should be the core of the current team, but they are no where to be found.  That age range goes back to missing the last 2 Olympics.

 

Look at the age of our roster from these last 2 games:
GK - 38, 38, 33
D - 35, 32, 31, 30, 30 , 29, 28, 24
M - 32, 30, 30, 30 , 27, 22, 22, 19
F - 34, 34, 27, 24
 
Here are guys aged 24-28 with more than 10 caps:
Altidore, Wood, Yedlin, Brooks (who we could have used bigly last night), Agudelo, Zardes, Birnbaum, Johannsson, Carona, Chandler, Lichaj.
 

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Red Five    3,008
6 hours ago, DrunkOffPunch said:

Brooks is injured. Whatever happened to Julian Green?

 

A healthy Brooks and Cameron should have been our #1 CBs.  Brooks being out hurt us in a big way.  And Arena's decision to not play Cameron, who starts weekly for a mid-table EPL team, is baffling.  But Arena loves Omar from his LAG days.

 

I believe Green is still bouncing around in the 2nd (or 3rd) division of the Bundisliga.

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teachercd    2,778
14 hours ago, Crusader Husker said:

You are right, my perspective is a little different.  I saw a girl, who now plays D-1, treat our HS badly.  She missed at least 1 big game a year for different reasons.  One was a concert.  Excuse was, it isn't my club team.  She was on a national team and played 12 months a year.  We had 5 girls recruited to college last year.  Only 2 are playing the rest are burned out.  This is also a bunch of girls who only play 1 sport a year.  The other issue is the kids who get cut.  "We spent $ 2,000 last year for club.  How did she get cut?"  I hear this stuff every year.  It has caused our coaches to keep way more kids than they should.  We have had similar issues with girls in club soccer.  We don't see it in girl's BB or any boys sports.

I could show you some emails that would make you roll your eyes from parents that "spent thousands on club VB and soccer" and they want to know why lil Amanda isn't starting on the HS team.

 

Also, AAU basketball is bad in terms of the recruiting but as far as high school goes, very few times does it interfere.  Like you, I looked at it from that point of view.

12 hours ago, The Dude said:

At least Americans can skip fake caring about soccer this time around.

This is so true.  I went with some friends to a bar to party for the USA/Germany game a few years back...It was tons of fun but it was clear that it was all about the party and not the game.

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zoogs    6,009

Bruce Arena should have been fired on the spot, especially after his post-game comments. Gulati needs to be out, too. For thinking things are fine and they just came up a bit short.

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zoogs    6,009

Preach it Jermaine. 

 

Transcribed quotes: 

Anyone know who he's talking about with the prospects at Schaalke and Wolfsburg? I read about the Wolfsburg one at one point, but forgot the name.

Edited by zoogs

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DrunkOffPunch    480
54 minutes ago, zoogs said:
 
 

Anyone know who he's talking about with the prospects at Schaalke and Wolfsburg? I read about the Wolfsburg one at one point, but forgot the name.

John Brooks plays for Wolfsburg. Weston McKinnie plays for Schalke and signed a 5 year contract with them after making a start earlier in the year. Haji Wright is on contract with Shalke but is currently on loan to SV Sandhausen which is a 2nd tier Bundesliga team.

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zoogs    6,009

Ah! I guess it was Weston McKinnie and Schalke I was thinking of.

 

http://www.espnfc.com/club/schalke-04/133/blog/post/3090864/schalkes-weston-mckennie-dreaming-of-following-in-christian-pulisics-footsteps

 

"Playing soccer in Europe is like coming to America to play basketball," McKennie says, with his eyes lighting up as he talks about the chance to join Schalke. He soon realised the club had more to offer than just its stature.

 

MLS commissioner:

 

"That one hurt," MLS commissioner Don Garber told SI after losing the player to a European competitor. "We had a lot of forces that we were working against on signing that player. That's the reality of how difficult it is with a player pool at the youth level that continues to attract the attention of very, very aggressive and well-funded international teams."

 

Forces against which MLS is working: the interests of the USMNT.

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