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huKSer    1,352

I absolutely hate Texas. But if Oklahoma came with them to the Big Ten I would be excited. Real rivals every year! A respected one and a deep rooted hated one. Would also even out east v west perception.

 

I don't think Texas would be able to push around in the Big Ten

Which is why Texass will not join the B1G

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VectorVictor    1,775

 

I absolutely hate Texas. But if Oklahoma came with them to the Big Ten I would be excited. Real rivals every year! A respected one and a deep rooted hated one. Would also even out east v west perception.

 

I don't think Texas would be able to push around in the Big Ten

Which is why Texass will not join the B1G

 

 

They may not have much of a choice, especially since their brand cache is in the s*****r right now, relatively speaking.

 

Their options are:

 

  • Stay in a Big XII that we know will either be picked clean by other conferences or add so much filler it's gonna look like Mountain West 2: Electric Boogaloo
  • Go to the Pac 12, where they'll let Texass keep their crappy ESPN channel, but no one will watch their games in the rest of the United States.
  • Go to the SEC, where their academic credentials will wither away while they get blasted on a weekly basis by the likes of 'Bama, Tennessee, and aTm (who may not even allow them entrance in the first place per the SEC's unwritten rule of allowing existing in-state SEC schools first denial)
  • Go to the B1G, give up or repurpose their network (likely the later) and improve their academic cache while being seen nationwide and automatically have a leg up via Texass recruiting on the rest of the conference. We know that the BTN is wanting to own more of its programming, and having a BTN 2 (not just an overflow channel) on ESPN would be a great way to counter the SEC spin, show more B1G live content, and recycle *some* of the infrastructure already in place for Bevo TV.

Frankly, Texass and Oklahoma are f****d with the status quo, and the Big XII will continue to fall behind the other P5 conferences to the point they become a weigh station between the P5 and non-automatic qualifier conferences.

 

But the fact that Texass and Oklahoma (and supposedly Kansas too) won't re-up on the GOR tells you they've already got designs to leave.

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Count 'Bility    4,782

Osborne was around for the Big 12 formation in the 90's. Pretty sure he was the only-if not very few-that were in our Ath offices in 2010. I dont think the big ten move happens-or even goes as smooth, without Osborne. His experience in the 90's i think was a big part. 20 years from now, when TO is gone and we're all looking back at history in that current environment of college athletics with where it appears to be heading, that move will be seen as a bigger accomplishment possibly than the 90's run.

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VectorVictor    1,775

From the looks of things, the Big XII was probably going to expand by two (Houston and BYU), but the latter school wouldn't amend their Code of Conduct or drop the no-Sunday requirement, which killed their chances and this whole process. But hey, at least Tom Herman will be on the market, unless Houston can lobby a P4 conference to take them (removed a P for obvious reasons).

 

So now what we'll have for the next couple of years is a guessing game as to where OU, Texass and certain other schools (read: Kansas, TCU) end up. As long as the B1G gets Oklahoma, I'll be happy. If they get Oklahoma and Kansas, I'll be ecstatic. If they get Oklahoma and Texass...well...

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knapplc    18,498

The Big Ten should take Oklahoma and Houston. Neither are AAU schools but both want to be, and Houston may be closer than the Sooners. In the realignment end game, academic standing won't be as much of a factor since the available pool of teams is so much smaller.

 

Oklahoma is another national brand that can anchor the West.

 

Houston is a rising school both academically and athletically, and would get the Big Ten a recruiting foothold in Texas without having to deal with the Longhorns and their baggage.

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ColoradoHusk    3,805

But nothing can actually happen for 9 years right? When the GOR expires? Or is there a way to lawyer out of that?

I think they could work their way out of the GOR before the official expiration. I'm not a lawyer though.

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knapplc    18,498

The GOR is an agreement with the conference. If the conference agrees to disband, there's no entity holding that GOR and the teams are free to go. It's possible the Big XII members could mutually agree to disband, but it's highly unlikely. Teams like Iowa State, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Oklahoma State and TCU aren't that attractive to the remaining P5 conferences. Odds are they'd block the dissolution of the GOR/conference because they'd have nowhere to go.

 

 

 

EDIT - this may not be realistic:

 

 

 

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junior4949    529

If that says anything I think It means the current presidents of big 12 schools know the conference isn't built to last.

 

The way I look at it is that Texas really wants Herman on the sideline next year. Oklahoma State already came out and said they didn't want Houston in because of recruiting. I gotta think OU had the same view and maybe even TCU. My gut says the vote really came down to how Texas voted. They again put their best interests above that of the conference.

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From the looks of things, the Big XII was probably going to expand by two (Houston and BYU), but the latter school wouldn't amend their Code of Conduct or drop the no-Sunday requirement, which killed their chances and this whole process. But hey, at least Tom Herman will be on the market, unless Houston can lobby a P4 conference to take them (removed a P for obvious reasons).

 

So now what we'll have for the next couple of years is a guessing game as to where OU, Texass and certain other schools (read: Kansas, TCU) end up. As long as the B1G gets Oklahoma, I'll be happy. If they get Oklahoma and Kansas, I'll be ecstatic. If they get Oklahoma and Texass...well...

 

Idk why but I feel like this could be the most likely thing to happen. Oklahoma is obvious, great football program, usually a pretty solid basketball and baseball programs as well. KU is solely in the mix because they have one of the top 3 best basketball programs historically and currently in the country. Rumor was a few years ago they wouldn't go any where without K-state but I feel like after Missouri went they dropped that attitude and started to look out for numero uno.

 

While I'm sure Huston is attractive to the BIG, they are probably more attractive to either the SEC or PAC 12.

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VectorVictor    1,775

 

From the looks of things, the Big XII was probably going to expand by two (Houston and BYU), but the latter school wouldn't amend their Code of Conduct or drop the no-Sunday requirement, which killed their chances and this whole process. But hey, at least Tom Herman will be on the market, unless Houston can lobby a P4 conference to take them (removed a P for obvious reasons).

 

So now what we'll have for the next couple of years is a guessing game as to where OU, Texass and certain other schools (read: Kansas, TCU) end up. As long as the B1G gets Oklahoma, I'll be happy. If they get Oklahoma and Kansas, I'll be ecstatic. If they get Oklahoma and Texass...well...

 

Idk why but I feel like this could be the most likely thing to happen. Oklahoma is obvious, great football program, usually a pretty solid basketball and baseball programs as well. KU is solely in the mix because they have one of the top 3 best basketball programs historically and currently in the country. Rumor was a few years ago they wouldn't go any where without K-state but I feel like after Missouri went they dropped that attitude and started to look out for numero uno.

 

While I'm sure Huston is attractive to the BIG, they are probably more attractive to either the SEC or PAC 12.

 

 

Kansas has *never* been tethered to Kansas State (or Wichita State, for that matter), and Kansas' President himself said this back in 2010 when Kansas was *THIS* close to hopping over to the Big East.

 

Oklahoma, on the other hand, *is* tethered to Okie Lite, but that tether will most likely be broken, as Oklahoma brings in substantial revenue to the state (tourism, hotels, restaurants), and that will go away if Oklahoma has to go slum it in a non-P4 conference because their 'specially abled' brother in Stillwater wants to stay with them.

 

Honestly, if Texass isn't happy with the Pac-12, and Oklahoma is bogged down with Okie Lite/T. Boones Farms Pickens herp-a-derp, then I could see the B1G forgetting about Oklahoma and trying to get Texass on board (with Kansas). Though of course, gaining Oklahoma and Texas would be the slam dunk for the B1G, and the only way to keep those two paired up will be the B1G.

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RedDenver    1,553

Though of course, gaining Oklahoma and Texas would be the slam dunk for the B1G, and the only way to keep those two paired up will be the B1G.

Any conference would take Oklahoma and Texas as a pair. B1G not the only way they stay together.

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VectorVictor    1,775

 

Though of course, gaining Oklahoma and Texas would be the slam dunk for the B1G, and the only way to keep those two paired up will be the B1G.

Any conference would take Oklahoma and Texas as a pair. B1G not the only way they stay together.

 

 

It's the most realistic shot.

 

Texas won't go to the SEC (plus aTm won't allow them--the unwritten SEC in-state school refusal thing), nor does Oklahoma's leadership want to go there--just myopic fans. Oklahoma isn't jazzed for the Pac-12 because of the television network problems they're having, and it's questionable as to whether a Pac-12 move will help improve Oklahoma's academic cache like the B1G move did for Nebraska.

 

The most logical place where both Texas and Oklahoma are happy and stick together is the B1G, bottom line. Pac-12 is possible, but not likely given what OU's president has said they're looking for. SEC isn't realistic, nor is it the best move for a school that wants to maintain (Texas) or improve (Oklahoma) their academic cache.

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NUance    6,941

Every weeks it's: "so and so to the Big 12!" Then we find out, no, they're not interested after all.

 

The whole thing reminds of the Steve Pedersen coaching search process. :lol:

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RedDenver    1,553

 

 

Though of course, gaining Oklahoma and Texas would be the slam dunk for the B1G, and the only way to keep those two paired up will be the B1G.

Any conference would take Oklahoma and Texas as a pair. B1G not the only way they stay together.

 

It's the most realistic shot.

 

Texas won't go to the SEC (plus aTm won't allow them--the unwritten SEC in-state school refusal thing), nor does Oklahoma's leadership want to go there--just myopic fans. Oklahoma isn't jazzed for the Pac-12 because of the television network problems they're having, and it's questionable as to whether a Pac-12 move will help improve Oklahoma's academic cache like the B1G move did for Nebraska.

 

The most logical place where both Texas and Oklahoma are happy and stick together is the B1G, bottom line. Pac-12 is possible, but not likely given what OU's president has said they're looking for. SEC isn't realistic, nor is it the best move for a school that wants to maintain (Texas) or improve (Oklahoma) their academic cache.

 

I agree with you in principle, but if Oklahoma and Texas announced they were going to move to a new conference as a pair, the other conferences would fall all over themselves to get them. And you're forgetting the ACC. I'd guess Texas has a better chance of joining the ACC than the B1G; similar academically but more southern in culture. Not to mention Texas would like playing Notre Dame and could probably get that arranged as part of ND playing 4 (5?) ACC teams each year.

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fire mike    537

I knew the second that Houston beat OU, they would not be welcomed to the conference. It's a darn shame, hopefully we can still pull OU to the B1G.

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Husker2019    416

I knew the second that Houston beat OU, they would not be welcomed to the conference. It's a darn shame, hopefully we can still pull OU to the B1G.

that game was totally irrelevant. They weren't bringing in a team based off of one game, and Houston was already being voted against by the northern schools. Texas (and their bloc) was the only one wanting Houston.

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TGHusker    1,233

I would like to see OU/Kansas join the league. I've always been a closet Jayhawk basketball fan (after the Huskers and Ok State, and Univ of Tulsa - both of my sons went to school there.) OU to the West div of the conference will bring the west up to par wt the east OU, Wisc, NU vs OSU, Mich, MSU. Kansas can replace Purdue in the west and we'd be set. It would give me, living in Tulsa, 2 closer road games to go to.

 

OU can keep the Red River Rivalry going wt UT as one of their non-conf games. So that long term tradition wouldn't fade away as our OU/NU game did. Move our B1G NU/OU game to the day after Thanksgiving and restore that tradition.

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huKSer    1,352

What I am interested in is the attitude of the 11 schools that were strung along thinking they had a shot at joining the Big XII. Will any of them even think of trusting it if they were asked again?

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ScottyIce    1,807

What I am interested in is the attitude of the 11 schools that were strung along thinking they had a shot at joining the Big XII. Will any of them even think of trusting it if they were asked again?

Yes, because they want in a Power 5 Conference. I mean, Power 4...

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