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That's a tributary like stretch that I'm not traveling down. That's yours.

Chinander is the salaried DC. MJ modified his role to coach mainly the safeties, moving the Fish guy to more of what Chin used to do. <---This is the way I understand it going by Coach Mickey's remarks. He wanted that to happen mainly, it appears. I see it as diminishing Chin's role with the D. Some don't see it that way but I can't help but see that he wanted to do that as the safeties have not been the D's problem so much as overall direction of the entire D itself, so he's shuffling a bit to try to make it function better. The Fish to nickels and corners seems more of the same.

The backdrop on all this (and more, I have heard a few interesting gossipy things around town, mostly dismissed.. until now) is that the team has not been coached much at all by Scott Frost, and thus the assistants and coordinators have been running things on their own a high percentage of the time (how high that percentage of time is up for conjecture). So, in other words, the performance on game day we're seeing could be seen as results of crappy coaching by those trying to take up the HC slack. What that means, and to what extent it is true, is also up for conjecture. But it seems a bit frightening in that we could come around to the conclusion that Mickey Joseph (and the others to some extent) has already shown us what he's capable/not capable of producing. Time will tell, of course, as the season wears on. But I just wonder now... now that the gossip seems to have legs, and that Scott Frost was fired a few games into the season (which was one piece of that gossip after the Northwestern game).

We don't do sacks of the QB with this D staff. Not much, anyway. Wondering how this role change can affect that.

I admit to putting a lot of weight on the W/L records of prospective coaches. Nick Saban is something else again. I'm looking at Nebraska's coaching history and see that our most amazing successes were coaches who were here through thick and thin and were then promoted to HC. I don't think Alabama has the same culture as Nebraska at all; it's smack in the middle of some of the greatest recruitment regions in the country. Our player successes came from great Nebraskans and some brought out from the West Coast, etc. All arguments about W/L records rise and fall on what the coach did next, of course. Some fine ones plopped at another school like cow flop. Some piss ants flourished when brought to a better overall program. It can look like a crapshoot, when analysing coach's histories. But it ain't over the long haul for Nebraska. Devaney's 35 - 10 at Wyoming was just good enough. Then he came here where it does not rain inside the gym and flourished.

I'd be surprised if you're correct about that. He's calling it "two DCs" yes. But any coach who is given a role of emphasis on particular player position is, especially in the ways MJ put it, is becoming a specialist for that portion of the squad. Yeah Chin's salary isn't decreased or his official title, but I think we're seeing an important change in his duties, again especially as we see Fish designated to those other two positions: nickles and corners.

Coach Joseph indicated that he's deployed Chinander as more or less the safeties coach. Travis Fisher will be more closely involved with the corners and nickles, he said. I was hoping any announcements about Chinander would have to do with him leaving the staff altogether.. but this does seem to lessen his overall role a bit. I'm thinking that if Coach Joseph does well enough to be promoted from interim to full HC we may be stuck with Chinander. Unless he's got plans for removing him down the line at some point and promoting Fish.

Probably one quarter. Or at least the first few plays. Okay, the kickoff.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This. Spot on.

I hope the rumors are false and that he is not being seriously considered.

He's 44 - 34 outside the conf Toledo is in, whatever it is. Not as bad as SF's record outside the conf he was in before the Big Ten, but a wrong direction hire if I ever saw one.

Love that. Nice to know, and I hope it's team wide.

I don't "strongly" believe that. But I can see it, yes. I think the stuff in the gym and practice field may have been about 75% or so. Puke or not. The right coach can up that and get us in that 8 win range I think. Puke or not.

Makes me think back, and how there are so many words to describe what's happened here. They're all over the place. The main thing is that now we're hoping that Joseph can take these same kids and make them do different things by just enough to give us a winning season, otherwise why fire Frost at this point instead of letting him continue through October or even the rest of the season? Somebody expects something. My expectations can't coalesce much right now as to the new coach coming in (IF a new coach comes in, T.O. and others are intimating that Mickey Joseph can do well here). If we hire a new guy for megabux then here we go again on the "next season" thing, lather/rinse/repeat. I just don't know what to expect anymore. It'd be wonderful to have that Husker dream come true, wherein we see 9+ wins per season. But.........

We go up and into contention. We do it with the same class and power we're used to. But it's not about "where" we go. It's about when.

That "new identity" has to begin with pretty much the very same players. We went through all this after Riley turned the team into basically just guys wanting to get out of class and dance to the stadium sound system’s Oo-Poop-Ah-Doo no matter the score. Old former players were appalled at the lack of discipline and drive. It is apparently better now, but the new coach is still up against a monumental task of culture development. Can that be done and if so over what period of time?

I agree with that term, "serviceable." I worry about the O-line most. Wish the D seemed serviceable.

There's a not-so-subtle difference between losing games by accident and expecting to lose games. The latter can seep in to a perfectly good program. Takes a special coaching crew and team leaders to prevent that as close to 100% as possible.

Apparently while drinking, The Dude said: "As fans, we don't deserve anything." Uh-huh. Then: "The players deserve a chance to be successful." I'm with you there. And then: "Maybe Campbell gives them that shot, maybe he doesn't." Duh.. ya think so? Aaand then: "Neither one of us really know." I hate to repeat myself, but.. Duh.. ya think so? Aaaaand finally the comedy closing: "Frost was the Jim Harbaugh type." They need you at The Zoo Bar for scripted banter between live band sets.

Recipe for mediocrity in coach hiring... Our fan base filling the stadium. Pride and ego plus for us as fans and for an incoming coach. Accountability problem in the sense of no consequences for a losing coach other than mass fan grumbling as we file in and out of stadium on Saturdays. Callahan even alluded to that off the cuff. "They'll fill up the place for us no matter." Yeah we finally got rid of the guy who said the Big Ten was going to have to adjust to him then coached 47 games for us and won 16 of them. But every home game he looked up at a full stadium. Some (most?) programs out there suffer gate money losses as a losing season unfolds. There are many other sources of revenue, of course. But those lack of ticket sales HURT many football programs and their athletic departments; it's a portion of their arithmetic every year. We get our 50 to 75 (or more) dollars per person times 85,000 (or more) every home Saturday. That's around five million dollars per home game. We can be funny and say, "Oh.. I see, so we need to stop coming to games so the coach sees he'd better win.. duh" in Goofy's voice. But I'm just saying it may be a factor in the back of some minds that they've got that gate money no matter what.. so it cuts off one set of consequences that others out there do suffer.

Great to have that. That synchronizing to the radio broadcast is very cool. Thanks! (only wish it was for a won game)

I don't know. We've got big bux here, so we should head to the top of the thoroughbred list. We deserve the Jim Harborough type, not the Matt Freaking Campbell type. And we need to stop gambling on nice guys (Mikey Riley). Arguments can be made for how bad BD started and got better, but that is just arguments. We honestly deserve a top-of-the-game player who wins. Too bad about the other Riley headed out west (great first name, too).

Matt Campbell loses too many games. Anybody is better than Frost’s fiasco here, but 44 - 34, c’mon. What’s the reasoning for him being excellent enough for here, other than yeah he’s better than Frost? Campbell loses about every third game he coaches. That is not what we want, no matter how far down we’ve fallen.

YES.

lmao .. I think you realize you're mistaken. And also that a much longer list would be former players who are now coaches. They need you over at somethingawful.com