Guy Chamberlin

Well......yeah. The point is that some people want to use the worst possible example to discredit a much larger population and their justifiable goals. In case you didn't notice, the issue isn't rioting. Also to your point, the British thought the Americans were lower class thugs. True story. Another true story: Sam Adams and associate patriots were clever provocateurs. They encouraged and sometimes orchestrated the vandalizing and harassment of stores owned by Americans who sided with the British. As these escalated, it was also understood and encouraged that getting a British soldier to over-react and kill a colonist would be good for galvanizing anti-British sentiment. And that's the Boston Massacre for you. Now don't get me started on the British East India Company.

I'm not sure either, but if you study the Civil Rights movement, you'll find it didn't succeed by waiting patiently, trusting the system, and making people less uncomfortable with their grievances. If you want to go pure patriot, read how America earned its independence from Britain. Rioting, vandalism, and strategic massacres are celebrated as the cornerstone of our freedom.

The question is whether a white frat boy jacked on coke and trying to crawl out of a police cruiser would ever have a knee on his neck for nine minutes until he died. In my experience, no. I mean, Kyle Rittenhouse couldn't even get the attention of police waving a M&P 15 rifle on the street where he just killed two people. A unarmed 13 year old Black kid gets shot for reaching into his pocket. Asking Black people to be extra super respectful because they're Black is the problem, not the solution.

Both the protests and the riots came after years of similar cases where folks waited patiently (as Archy prefers) only to have the officers face zero jail time and often the barest of consequences. Time after time after time after time after time after time. The George Floyd video felt like the last straw. Even when caught in a snuff film, who wanted to bet Chauvin wouldn't skate? The protests were justified. Maybe some of the rioting, too. I mean, holy f#&%, what's wrong with this country? The looting -- as mentioned -- is the work of opportunists who work Super Bowls, police funerals, and power outages, too. Did the protests force the jury's hand for the first time in memory? Well that kinda kills the argument for remaining silent and trusting. But let's face it. If the incident hadn't been fiilmmed, Derrick Chauvin would be having cocktails right now.

They coincide with Super Bowl celebrations, too.

You may not be able to prove intent to kill, but the apparent disregard for whether Floyd lived or died, and the amount of time spent lifeless under the knee strikes me as another degree beyond manslaughter. Another way of looking at it: people guilty of manslaughter don't often have time to weigh the unfolding consequences and correct their reckless/dangerous actions, hence the lesser charge. Chauvin had 9 and a half minutes, with his own safety never in question.

These are the things and events that happen when sacred human rights are so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace, BLM. Remember this day forever.

I think the only remaining point of this thread is that the never-ending Portland rioting is being driven by things uniquely Portland, including a full-fledged local rioting community that lives to agitate. It's not really indicative of BLM or Antifa or a President who refuses to criticize violent protestors by name, especially in the case of Portland protestors who may not feel affiliated with any name. If you do not equate the Portland and/or larger BLM protests to the Jan 6 insurrection and other right wing physical confrontations, keep in mind that many people do as a way to make excuses for each. I just don't think both causes are equal. In no post did I suggest the rightness of the cause excuses violent and counter-productive behavior.

I'm going to guess you would hate them even more if they traveled to a precinct where none of them lived.

Last time: I don't approve of their actions. Got it? But I understand the cause they're protesting. I think that's where a majority of people land. On the other side, I think some people on the right understand and sympathize with the January 6 mob, but believe they really shouldn't have stormed the Capitol and threatened the lives of Congress people. That being said, comparing protests against systemic inequality to protests of a fraudulent election conspiracy is a false equivalency. One is profoundly more dangerous to America than the other. I have no idea why I have to explain arson in Portland and the trial in Minnesota. I don't even understand the comparison. The presumption that I speak for Antifa as a liberal pretty much demonstrates the problem, especially after multiple posts trying to make my POV explicitly clear.

Portland and Seattle have been small hotbeds for folks of a certain anarchist bent for several years There are many reasons to enjoy both cities, and people I know who live there assure me that life goes on unaffected outside the fairly tiny zone in question. There is cosplay involved, as I mentioned in my previous post.

Compare the statements Trump made when somebody wrote them up for him, and the unscripted comments he made the next day. Bottom line; every white supremacist organization endorses Donald Trump — and Tucker Carlson for that matter— because they speak their language. You may not believe this, but the Left has never considered Biden one of them, and neither does Biden. They just have more in common than the cult that has swallowed the right

well no. You’re still determined not to understand. It’s not okay to be a violent little d******d, but if reality exists, one cause is definitely more real than the other. That’s why people and politicians sided with protesters not looters, and where the entire premise of January 6 went off the tracks

True, he did not call them a$$h@!es, or address them as Dave, Justin, or Mindy, but everything you're trying to infer here is wrong: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-biden-condemned-antifa/fact-check-joe-biden-has-condemned-antifa-violent-protests-idUSKBN2712ZA

I was hoping you and Archy would have read the words I chose, which clearly demonstrated my lack of respect for Antifa tactics and posturing. Then when I said exactly how much I was willing to defend them, I simply pointed out that the far left was fighting against something that was verifiably real, and unjust, while the far right was fighting against a fraudulent conspiracy theory that's incredibly stupid.

There is a strain of Northwest anarchist that has long viewed itself as avenging comic book culture warriors much the way of Proud Boys and others. They are extremely small in number and role play to their own tune. I think some of them are genuinely a$$h@!es with ego issues. Joe Biden has yet to tell them he loves them and they're special. Here's how much I'll apologize for whatever you want to call Antifa: they are fighting against the inequities of police enforcement in America — a real thing. The rightwing equivalent is fighting to overturn a fraudulent election -- not a real thing.

For whatever reasons, 25%-30% of Americans have no intention of getting any COVID vaccination, although a certain percentage would do so if required or incentivized, i.e. as part of their job. That was roughly the same number when the vaccine was announced last fall as it was just prior to the J&J announcement.

Apparently Big Flag has some powerful lobbyists in Washington.

One way to take pressure off of Manning is to have him watch all the other receivers willing to do the job for him.

My guess is that the neighbors supported his actions. The video shows him push the guy once,, but I'm hoping there was something more if they're throwing the word "assault" around.

Privilege really is blinding. My family has to remind ourselves about the simple decisions we make every day that aren't so simple literally on the other side of the tracks in our town. Likewise, we're surrounded by the kind of wealth that has completely different reference and decimal points than ours, it's so awkward socializing with people who can't afford to fly their kids and their friends to the Coachella Music Festival that they generally choose not to. These people — and I guess us too -- expect life to work in their favor because it already has. Nancy Pelosi's SubZero for ice cream is my electric bike for not peddling up hills. I'm sure neither of us thinks we need to apologize.

If you were to do a patriotic montage of America, showing school children, interstate highways, scientific innovations, national parks, the Hoover Dam, families picnicking on a weekend, and anything with a semblance of ethnic diversity, you'd have to give some credit to what is now being called "far left" thinking.

Well a few years ago there was that kid who got a measles vaccination, then got autism, starting an entire anti-vax movement that has sickened and killed thousands.

ESPN had Nebraska #19 preseason in 2019.

"China Joe?"