The Dude

Or call him a spoiled brat and a sore loser, as many have called Martinez. My response to both of these posts: I missed the part where he ever acted wishy washy, spoiled, or immature. That is what separates these other two situations with the Green situation. He has always been a team player, mature, works hard, and has made informed decisions. People thought Martinez was wishy washy, spoiled, and immature because of the rumors about him transferring. Cody Green is actually transferring. I don't think either player is spoiled or immature, just trying to point out the pretty blatant hypocrisy in the fan base's reaction. It is pretty comical. I guess it's because Martinez doesn't have that million dollar smile. I like Cody and all, but he was a bust. Hope he finds some success elsewhere. Best of luck to him.

Got any statistics or anything at all to back that up, or are you just talking out of your butt? I can't think of a team sport position that has fewer sudden starts and stops than a baseball outfielder. Statistics? No. Common sense? Yes. Constant was the wrong word on my part, sorry, but you kind of proved my point with your second statement. An outfielder is standing around letting his muscles cool down for an extended amount of time. Then all of a sudden he has to make quick explosive, movements such as sprinting and throwing. Which puts you at greater risk for strains, pulls, tears, ect.. In football, basketball, soccer, ect. you're moving around more so your muscles stay loose and warm. This is pretty insane, really. There is no more of a stop and start sport than football. It is a guarantee that you stop for around 30 seconds between plays, but then you are on the sidelines between offensive or defensive series, there are special teams players that see the field only 5 or 10 times a game, and many times, different packages are subbed in and out and formations are used. It really isn't that big of an issue in baseball; an outfielder might see one or two hits a game where they actually have to run. Baserunning, now that is stressful, running in a circle. Not. Baseball can be dangerous, no doubt about it. Stuff happens all the time. But when you add in the fact that football is start-and-stop AND full-speed, all-out contact on every play, that is where the difference is. If Bubba really wants to have the best future he can have, he should go straight to pro baseball, unfortunately. Baseball players have much longer careers than football players and are much healthier afterwards. And VA Husker Fan's point was that yes, outfielders have starts and stops. But they are few and far between. They also involve running purely in a straight line as opposed to cutting, spinning, juking, and getting drilled by a 240-lb linebacker. It's not insane, you just missed my point (which is partly my fault because I misspoke in my first post). The few and far between starts is what increases the risk of injury. In football, kickers are warming up on the sideline. In baseball, players are standing around or sitting in the dugout for extended amounts of time letting their muscles cool down. When your muscles aren't warm and loose you're at greater risk of injury, true fact. That was my whole point, nothing further. I wasn't trying to prove it was more dangerous than football. There's just a common misconception that there aren't many injuries in baseball, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

I've gone from the Super Bowl until the kickoff of college football. A month is nothing. TV sucks.

I thought it was quite obvious too. Kids are smarter than we think, it won't take long for him to realize he more like his daddy than his mommy. And +1 to nebula.

da skers - the bit about Rex is GREAT news.

Yeah I don't really get it. It probably won't stay a secret for long anyhow.

For a lot it's not who they want to be, so much so that some end up killing themselves because they fear what others might think. Or because of self-hatred because they're told what they are is wrong. If they could just decide to be straight, don't you think they'd rather just go that route? But my point was that people who identify themselves as gay ought to be happy with themselves and not look at it as something they wish they weren't. It's very sad when that happens. Couldn't agree more. It does happen, it will happen, and it is sad. And that kind of ties into the original subject matter of the thread. People argue that having a gay college athlete on a team could have a negative impact on the gay college student because of harrassment or what-have-you. But as I stated earlier it's not ok to institutionalize discrimination in the name of protection from the people who are actually the problem. Punish the people who are actually doing something wrong.

? I've never really posted here, so if it's an inside joke, I wouldn't get it. Yeah it's an inside joke.

Carnes. He has "it".

A fictional book written by goat herders thousands of years ago is a terrible reason to be prejudice against someone.

For a lot it's not who they want to be, so much so that some end up killing themselves because they fear what others might think. Or because of self-hatred because they're told what they are is wrong. If they could just decide to be straight, don't you think they'd rather just go that route?

All this is surprising. I thought TO was like God 'round these parts. Next thing you know there will be a strong anti-Ndamukong Suh faction.

Bush League. Get someone in there who knows how to stack boxes. Those don't look stable at all.

I'm knapplc's salt water aquarium guy.

Meh it works better for me.

This is a joke right? Bird by a country mile.

Will you ask The Big Guy what tomorrow's Powerball numbers are, and PM me with the info? Please and thank you.

I've gone almost two years without starting a thread. I should most definately get a badge of honor for that.

I dissagree to a certain extent. I'm probably a bigot, but The icky sex thing is just part of what I hate. I also hate watching shows like "queer eye for the straight guy" or whatever that show was called, and guys that talk with lisps still bug me most times..the whole "femme" thing bugs me enough that I try to avoid stuff like watching men's figure skating, going to Lady GaGa concerts, or hanging out with interior decorators. It generally annoys me when people are real life, walking, talking stereotypes too. But to me even if they are, that's a very petty reason to hate someone. What about the gay men who don't fit those stereotypes? I suppose you're cool with them...

I like winter :/

couldn't agree more. People do not choose to be gay. There's two components to that IMO, do they choose what they are attracted to? Probably not (although some do I'm sure) Do they choose to act on it? Yes, they could always choose not to act on their feelings. In the same breath murderers could say they don't have a choice, they have problems so on and so forth. I would agree the feelings are there, but you always have a choice on how you act, always. Every lifestyle is a choice, sexual orientation, drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, religion. All life is, is a series of choices. Some may be very difficult or confusing choices, some are no brainers, but they are all choices. Are you suggesting that gay people can choose to just... not be gay? Would it reasonable for me to tell you to stop acting on your 'feelings of heterosexuality'? Of course not. This isn't akin to choosing to not have that extra cheeseburger because you're on a diet. Companionship is a fundamental human desire, and to suggest that consenting gay adults not act on their feelings, which would require them to either stay single their entire life, or be incredibly unhappy in a forced heterosexual relationship, is nothing short of ridiculous. Not suggesting anything, just saying that they have a choice to live that lifestyle or not. That choice has benefits and consequences, just like eating an extra cheeseburger. You may not be able to control wanting a cheeseburger, but you do have a choice if you eat it or not, right? The difference is human beings are hard-wired to have sex. We're not hard-wired to eat cheeseburgers. There are humans that choose to be celibate, right? How can that be if they are "hard-wired" for it? This gets in to nature vs nurture as discussed before. One thing that is certain, someone can choose if they act on their tendencies or not. I am not saying that is right or wrong, or if those tendencies are natural or a result of experience, but that is a choice. Just because some people choose to be celibate doesn't change the fact that sex is a part of our basic instincts. What are you actually arguing here? Are you saying gays should be celibate? Why? I think it's a very clear point that acting on ones instincts is a choice, plain and simple. Therefore living ANY lifestyle is a choice on the most fundamental levels. You may not be able to control how you feel, but you can control how you act. Not saying anything other than living that lifestyle (or any lifestyle for that matter) is a choice, and every choice has its benefits and issues associated with it. Clearly, but where were you going with that line of reasoning exactly? I think the "homosexual lifestlye" thing is a giant load of crap. You can't tell much about a person's lifestlye by their sexual preference. My sexual preference doesn't define my lifestyle, nor does yours. It's not a person's lifestyle a bigot hates, it's the icky gay sex.

couldn't agree more. People do not choose to be gay. There's two components to that IMO, do they choose what they are attracted to? Probably not (although some do I'm sure) Do they choose to act on it? Yes, they could always choose not to act on their feelings. In the same breath murderers could say they don't have a choice, they have problems so on and so forth. I would agree the feelings are there, but you always have a choice on how you act, always. Every lifestyle is a choice, sexual orientation, drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, religion. All life is, is a series of choices. Some may be very difficult or confusing choices, some are no brainers, but they are all choices. Are you suggesting that gay people can choose to just... not be gay? Would it reasonable for me to tell you to stop acting on your 'feelings of heterosexuality'? Of course not. This isn't akin to choosing to not have that extra cheeseburger because you're on a diet. Companionship is a fundamental human desire, and to suggest that consenting gay adults not act on their feelings, which would require them to either stay single their entire life, or be incredibly unhappy in a forced heterosexual relationship, is nothing short of ridiculous. Not suggesting anything, just saying that they have a choice to live that lifestyle or not. That choice has benefits and consequences, just like eating an extra cheeseburger. You may not be able to control wanting a cheeseburger, but you do have a choice if you eat it or not, right? The difference is human beings are hard-wired to have sex. We're not hard-wired to eat cheeseburgers. There are humans that choose to be celibate, right? How can that be if they are "hard-wired" for it? This gets in to nature vs nurture as discussed before. One thing that is certain, someone can choose if they act on their tendencies or not. I am not saying that is right or wrong, or if those tendencies are natural or a result of experience, but that is a choice. Just because some people choose to be celibate doesn't change the fact that sex is a part of our basic instincts. What are you actually arguing here? Are you saying gays should be celibate? Why?

Too bad, best of luck to him.

couldn't agree more. People do not choose to be gay. There's two components to that IMO, do they choose what they are attracted to? Probably not (although some do I'm sure) Do they choose to act on it? Yes, they could always choose not to act on their feelings. In the same breath murderers could say they don't have a choice, they have problems so on and so forth. I would agree the feelings are there, but you always have a choice on how you act, always. Every lifestyle is a choice, sexual orientation, drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, religion. All life is, is a series of choices. Some may be very difficult or confusing choices, some are no brainers, but they are all choices. Are you suggesting that gay people can choose to just... not be gay? Would it reasonable for me to tell you to stop acting on your 'feelings of heterosexuality'? Of course not. This isn't akin to choosing to not have that extra cheeseburger because you're on a diet. Companionship is a fundamental human desire, and to suggest that consenting gay adults not act on their feelings, which would require them to either stay single their entire life, or be incredibly unhappy in a forced heterosexual relationship, is nothing short of ridiculous. Not suggesting anything, just saying that they have a choice to live that lifestyle or not. That choice has benefits and consequences, just like eating an extra cheeseburger. You may not be able to control wanting a cheeseburger, but you do have a choice if you eat it or not, right? The difference is human beings are hard-wired to have sex. We're not hard-wired to eat cheeseburgers.

Sexuality is on the radar for every human, whether we like it or not. If the gay player gets all kinds of trouble from other players, then maybe THEY should be kicked off the team. It's just not okay to institutionalize discrimination in the name of "protection" from the people who are actually the problem.