Beck

[Pedro Guerrero]

on the other hand alot of us were like, "ok marvin sanders, but who are these other dudes and carl as DC? untested, blah blah blah."

 

Yep. People forget how unknown guys like Papuchis, Ekeler and Dobson were around here. Today they're household names and everyone's on board with them, but back in the day there were several threads airing concerns over these guys.

 

Some could argue how well the Ekeler hire turned out but that is for a different day.

 

Els is not new to the coaching game. He has been around for 27 years. That is a far cry from bringing up Ekeler and Pap when Bo took the job.

 

I have no problem with giving Garrison a FT gig. But once again hiring him to his first position coach gig is not the same as bringing in Els after 27 years of coaching.

 

How could Husker fans not know who John Garrison is? Odd IMO.

 

I also think including the Strength and Conditioning Coach hire in the list of unproven people hired by Bo is strange. Besides Boyd Epply can anyone name some proven Strength and Conditioning guy?

[kchusker_chris]

can anyone name some proven Strength and Conditioning guy?

[Skull&Bones]

If this is what happens and Bo just promotes Beck, I will have the same underwhelmed feeling I had back in 2003 when Got Frank revamped his offense by hiring Barney Cotton.

 

I'm with you.

 

Instead of using resources to get the absolute best available options, we are instead settling for coaches.

 

Ross Els - Never coached above Ohio/NMSU in 20 years

 

Tim Beck - Never called plays in college

 

John Garrison - Was an GA/Intern before this

 

Corey Raymond - Like the hire, have heard good things about him

 

But c'mon here, this is the best we can do? I know someone will say "BUT GIVE THEM A CHANCE FIRST". We are freakin' Nebraska. We should be spending the cash to get already known top flight coaches or getting the young hot-shot up and coming coaches. We SHOULD NOT be settling for a bunch of guys we hope work out.

 

Someone tell me what is stopping Nebraska from going down to TCU, offering Justin Fuente the full OC position, and paying him the nearly $400k a year that Shawn Watson was earning?

 

You can go down a long list more of high quality guys on other staffs who would love the opportunity to move up the coaching ladder and/or get a hefty pay raise.

 

I really thought Bo was gonna figure this out when he decided to cut some dead weight from this staff, and I was strongly encouraged. Instead, it looks like he will make more lackluster hires to replace the under-performing former staff.

 

Just absolutely frustrating.

 

Nice to know someone feels the same way I do. And to think, I got called "butthurt" the other day bc I was upset about us hiring this Ross Els guy. And you said it man, we are freakin' Nebraska. Go out and get the best.

on the other hand alot of us were like, "ok marvin sanders, but who are these other dudes and carl as DC? untested, blah blah blah."

 

True, but we knew Bo was leading that D. Tim Beck is taking his first OC job with a bunch of unknowns. It's putting a lot of trust/belief in Beck's abilities.You could take a bunch of Harvard finance grads, put them directly under Warren Buffet and they'd all make money. But could you put those same grads under your local banker and expect the same results? Maybe, probably not.

 

A choice between Watson running the offense again or a bunch of unknowns?....Hmmmm I'll take the unknowns please, thank you.

[knapplc]

on the other hand alot of us were like, "ok marvin sanders, but who are these other dudes and carl as DC? untested, blah blah blah."

 

Yep. People forget how unknown guys like Papuchis, Ekeler and Dobson were around here. Today they're household names and everyone's on board with them, but back in the day there were several threads airing concerns over these guys.

 

Some could argue how well the Ekeler hire turned out but that is for a different day.

 

Els is not new to the coaching game. He has been around for 27 years. That is a far cry from bringing up Ekeler and Pap when Bo took the job.

 

I have no problem with giving Garrison a FT gig. But once again hiring him to his first position coach gig is not the same as bringing in Els after 27 years of coaching.

 

How could Husker fans not know who John Garrison is? Odd IMO.

 

I also think including the Strength and Conditioning Coach hire in the list of unproven people hired by Bo is strange. Besides Boyd Epply can anyone name some proven Strength and Conditioning guy?

 

I'm sure that's all very interesting, but it doesn't obviate the fact that people very openly questioned Bo's hires when he assembled his staff, much like they're doing now. Today, as then, a more prudent way of looking at things would be to let them fail before griping about the hires.

 

Of course, if you know more than Bo then by all means please gripe. The angst is entertaining.

[Pedro Guerrero]

Of course, if you know more than Bo then by all means please gripe. The angst is entertaining.

 

Is this what it has come to? Only people that “know” more then Bo have the ability to complain about what appears to them to be less then stellar hires?

 

If that is the case then you really must know how to run a Division 1 offense.

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If Beck shows any signs of being creative with the offense, and the playmakers we have then it will be step in the right direction. He has to have a draw, or a screen pass in his playbook. Running on of those plays would be welcomed, along with new and exciting.

[knapplc]

Of course, if you know more than Bo then by all means please gripe. The angst is entertaining.

 

Is this what it has come to? Only people that “know” more then Bo have the ability to complain about what appears to them to be less then stellar hires?

 

If that is the case then you really must know how to run a Division 1 offense.

I'm saying you haven't shown any reason why these are poor hires, yet you're doing a lot of whining about them.

[kchusker_chris]

Of course, if you know more than Bo then by all means please gripe. The angst is entertaining.

 

Is this what it has come to? Only people that “know” more then Bo have the ability to complain about what appears to them to be less then stellar hires?

 

If that is the case then you really must know how to run a Division 1 offense.

I'm saying you haven't shown any reason why these are poor hires, yet you're doing a lot of whining about them.

we won't know if they are poor hires until their performance (or lack of) dictates that. what they are now are questionable and/or risky hires. nothing wrong w/ that. gene chizik was one at Auburn and that worked out pretty good for them. Like Skull said above - the choice between Watson and a bunch of risky unknowns...give me the risky guys any day

[knapplc]

we won't know if they are poor hires until their performance (or lack of) dictates that. what they are now are questionable and/or risky hires. nothing wrong w/ that. Like Skull said above - the choice between Watson and a bunch of risky unknowns...give me the risky guys any day

 

I've been trying to get that point across for a while now.

[Nebula]

we won't know if they are poor hires until their performance (or lack of) dictates that. what they are now are questionable and/or risky hires. nothing wrong w/ that. gene chizik was one at Auburn and that worked out pretty good for them. Like Skull said above - the choice between Watson and a bunch of risky unknowns...give me the risky guys any day

 

You've made several good points in this thread.

[hskerholic]

Is it bad I have NO idea who this Garrison guy is? Can someone fill me in please.

[Pedro Guerrero]

I'm saying you haven't shown any reason why these are poor hires, yet you're doing a lot of whining about them.

 

If Beck was brought in with the mindset that he would eventually take over the offense, why didn’t they just give him control in 2008? I don’t care if T.O. recommended Watson at the time; Bo was supposed to be assembling HIS staff. If the answer to all of our offensive problems was sitting in the press box right next to Watson why not give him control at the beginning of this year instead of now? Once again it was Bo’s team and if he brought in Beck to be OC then why did we have to sit through the last couple years? That is why it feels like we settled instead of actually pursuing something better.

 

I also think the hiring of Els is cronyism at it’s finest. Carl and Bo are comfortable with Carl’s former co-worker so instead of possibly taking a shot on the unknown they just call up Carl’s buddy and hire him. The last staff had that problem and look where it got them. I just don’t like it that Els has been in coaching for 27 years and he couldn’t do any better then position coach at a couple average places.

 

If both of these hires workout then I will take back my skepticism, however until that day I will continue to be pretty under-whelmed.

 

Like I said it feels like Barney, Tim Albin, Jimmy Burrow’s all over again.

[Pedro Guerrero]

CAM NEWTON was one at Auburn and that worked out pretty good for them.

 

Fixed it for you.

[knapplc]

If both of these hires workout then I will take back my skepticism, however until that day I will continue to be pretty under-whelmed.

 

Like I said it feels like Barney, Tim Albin, Jimmy Burrow’s all over again.

 

It seemed (to me) that you were more than skeptical. Apparently you and I have the same view, mostly wait and see, but you're underwhelmed while I'm not whelmed at all (neither over nor under).

 

 

EDIT - regarding the cronyism. It wasn't cronyism that doomed the last staff; on the field they were doomed by a horrific defensive philosophy which was completely ill-suited to the Big XII. If this staff makes the same mistake (an offense ill-suited to the Big 10) then we're screwed. But not because of the cronyism.

 

Near as I can tell, nepotism is the grease that lubes the gears of the coaching world. It's unlikely that it would be different here.

[kchusker_chris]

Is it bad I have NO idea who this Garrison guy is? Can someone fill me in please.

center at Nebraska in the early 2000's. Team captain. Current intern.