President claims that no one built a business on their own

[Mavric]

http://www.opposingv...ch-conservative

 

Similar to the way MSNBC recut the part of Romney's speech about Wawa. Although that MSNBC was worse because they specifically did it to make fun of Romney. That's what goes on now-a-days.

i guess it is all right then, since msnbc did it? is that where the integrity of political discourse has descended to?

You were the one that brought it up. Why did you post it?

[sd'sker]

http://www.opposingv...ch-conservative

 

Similar to the way MSNBC recut the part of Romney's speech about Wawa. Although that MSNBC was worse because they specifically did it to make fun of Romney. That's what goes on now-a-days.

i guess it is all right then, since msnbc did it? is that where the integrity of political discourse has descended to?

You were the one that brought it up. Why did you post it?

because, it was not right when they did it to obama and just because it was done to romney does not make it right either.

[sd'sker]

i do like him, but how is that contrary to what i said? because i like him means that you can not not like him? they are not mutually exclusive. we all live off the government one way or another. also, the greatest class warfare we have lived through were the unprecedented, unfunded bush tax cuts of the wealthy that redistributed a massive amount of wealth to the richest americans on the backs of the middle-class. i did not participate in the romney misspelling thread and i do not even know what you are talking about when you say 'the great emperor tests the waters of class warefare (sic)'. if i had to, i would guess that you have a worldview you would rather defend with tired talking points than actually doing any primary research. but i don't know even know why i am wasting keystrokes on someone who would say the bold part.

Can you explain this?

the most simple explanation is that an unpaid tax cut for one group has to be paid by another group.

 

The Rich Get Richer and the Middle Class ...

 

The Bush-era tax cuts are now set to expire in 2013, but -- as the December 2010budget battle showed -- they could be extended indefinitely. In the meantime, many of the country's richest citizens are paying a smaller tax rate than its poorest, and programs that are designed to keep the middle class from slipping into poverty are coming under withering attack from the right.

 

With federal finances stretched to the breaking point, belt-tightening sounds like a great idea. The trouble is, Republican proposals basically demand that only the bottom 98.2% of Americans need to cinch their bellies, while letting the top 1.8% -- those who make more than $250,000 -- take a bigger bite from an ever-shrinking pie. Critics of capital gains and dividend taxes argue that these levies force the country's richest citizens to pay taxes twice on the same profits -- once when they earn the money that they invest, and once again when they sell their stock or receive dividends from it.

 

Then again, with millions struggling to make ends meet, it's hard to find tears for America's wealthiest stockholders.

http://www.dailyfina...es-on-the-rich/ (the whole article is a worthy read)

 

also, this is a good link explaining the growing wealth gap

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

 

The superrich have grabbed the bulk of the past three decades' gains.

 

 

 

How much income have you given up for the top 1 percent?

 

(http://www.motherjon...ica-chart-graph)

[Lil' Red]

I see quite a bit of difference from an elementary, middle, or high school teacher and those who typically make their way to the upper ranks of "teaching" at the university level. MInd you, not all of them are bad but, way too many and I'll include Obama, have a definite liberal left lean to them at that level. So, maybe it is not the profession so much as it is the typical person who undertakes that profession. If you have a great deal of respect for university level "teachers" then I guess we disagree.

 

I find the strife many conservatives hold against higher education instructor's liberal lean immensely concerning. Higher education is crucial to maintaining an innovative thriving nation. The simple fact that a professor embraces liberal beliefs does not make them incompetent to effectively educate the youth of our country. It is a grave mistake to judge someone's aptitude to preform their occupation based solely on their political ideology.

[Yossarian]

I see quite a bit of difference from an elementary, middle, or high school teacher and those who typically make their way to the upper ranks of "teaching" at the university level. MInd you, not all of them are bad but, way too many and I'll include Obama, have a definite liberal left lean to them at that level. So, maybe it is not the profession so much as it is the typical person who undertakes that profession. If you have a great deal of respect for university level "teachers" then I guess we disagree.

 

I find the strife many conservatives hold against higher education instructor's liberal lean immensely concerning. Higher education is crucial to maintaining an innovative thriving nation. The simple fact that a professor embraces liberal beliefs does not make them incompetent to effectively educate the youth of our country. It is a grave mistake to judge someone's aptitude to preform their occupation based solely on their political ideology.

 

Who cares what the instructor's political leanings are if Johnny can't read after graduating from high school?

[carlfense]

<snip> . . . wants to look the other way as the Great Emperor again tests the waters of class warefare. Something is wrong with that. What else would you expect of a Kenyan that has held government positions his entire life?

Sometimes I wonder if people realize how ignorant this sort of statement makes them sound. I mean sure . . . if you make them around your Tea Party pals everyone will have a good chuckle . . . but . . . wow.

 

You'll get caught on one word like you always do. My guess is that this time you will chose communists or Hilter and you will make no attempt at even trying to understand how relevant this is. It's extremely relevant.

 

I want to be very clear that I am not comparing Obama to Hitler. That would be ridiculous. Hitler's rise involved class warfare. As he fought communism, the sheeple gave away their powers....until they had none.

 

First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

 

Martin Niemöller was a German pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892. Niemöller was an anti-Communist and supported Hitler's rise to power at first.

[carlfense]

Who cares what the instructor's political leanings are if Johnny can't read after graduating from high school?

Can't argue with that.

[sd'sker]

Who cares what the instructor's political leanings are if Johnny can't read after graduating from high school?

Can't argue with that.

exactly, just more proof that the public education system is extremely underfunded.

[Lil' Red]

Who cares what the instructor's political leanings are if Johnny can't read after graduating from high school?

Can't argue with that.

exactly, just more proof that the public education system is extremely underfunded.

 

Agreed. It is too often the target of budget cuts. It desperately needs more funding not less.

[JJ Husker]

I see quite a bit of difference from an elementary, middle, or high school teacher and those who typically make their way to the upper ranks of "teaching" at the university level. MInd you, not all of them are bad but, way too many and I'll include Obama, have a definite liberal left lean to them at that level. So, maybe it is not the profession so much as it is the typical person who undertakes that profession. If you have a great deal of respect for university level "teachers" then I guess we disagree.

 

I find the strife many conservatives hold against higher education instructor's liberal lean immensely concerning. Higher education is crucial to maintaining an innovative thriving nation. The simple fact that a professor embraces liberal beliefs does not make them incompetent to effectively educate the youth of our country. It is a grave mistake to judge someone's aptitude to preform their occupation based solely on their political ideology.

We are way off topic now but I feel the need to respond to this. I do not doubt their ability to educate. In fact, I am sure many of them are able to leave their personal politics out of it. You are correct that higher education is crucial for our nation. I just wish the average college professor were a little more centered and conveyed their knowledge in less of a biased manner. The contempt I have for our higher education system is based pretty much solely on 2 factors. There is an inordinate amount of far left lean in the system and I am not a big fan of tenure. It boils down to the simple fact that I immensely dislike the ideology of far left liberalism and socialism. It has very little to do with higher education itself but rather with those who tend to gather there. I know there are some moderates, conservatives, and reasonable people in the higher education system but, Barack Obama was not one of them.

[sd'sker]

I see quite a bit of difference from an elementary, middle, or high school teacher and those who typically make their way to the upper ranks of "teaching" at the university level. MInd you, not all of them are bad but, way too many and I'll include Obama, have a definite liberal left lean to them at that level. So, maybe it is not the profession so much as it is the typical person who undertakes that profession. If you have a great deal of respect for university level "teachers" then I guess we disagree.

 

I find the strife many conservatives hold against higher education instructor's liberal lean immensely concerning. Higher education is crucial to maintaining an innovative thriving nation. The simple fact that a professor embraces liberal beliefs does not make them incompetent to effectively educate the youth of our country. It is a grave mistake to judge someone's aptitude to preform their occupation based solely on their political ideology.

We are way off topic now but I feel the need to respond to this. I do not doubt their ability to educate. In fact, I am sure many of them are able to leave their personal politics out of it. You are correct that higher education is crucial for our nation. I just wish the average college professor were a little more centered and conveyed their knowledge in less of a biased manner. The contempt I have for our higher education system is based pretty much solely on 2 factors. There is an inordinate amount of far left lean in the system and I am not a big fan of tenure. It boils down to the simple fact that I immensely dislike the ideology of far left liberalism and socialism. It has very little to do with higher education itself but rather with those who tend to gather there. I know there are some moderates, conservatives, and reasonable people in the higher education system but, Barack Obama was not one of them.

where are you getting your information? did obama teach you constitutional law? are you an expert on constitutional law, enough so to critique his teaching? and even if a professor has a perceived liberal bent, a college student should be able to recognize that a maintain their perspective while learning the materials.

 

also, students pick the schools, majors, and classes they want. let the marketplace decide if all these 'liberal' professors are detrimental to a university.

[Yossarian]

Barack Obama might be a great instructor. But WE DON'T KNOW.

 

Diversity is great except when it comes to allowing conservative instructors on campus. One survey showed that 75 percent of college faculty members considered themselves "liberal." http://archive.mises.org/4834/liberal-college-professors/

 

I believe that there is research out there that shows that throwing money into education doesn't do a lot for improving student achievement.

[zoogs]

Here is another open ended question. I wonder where exactly Obama was going with his statement on how nobody built a business on their own, and they had help. Really, where was he going. I'm struggling to understand. Is the media take on this unfair? out of context? If so, how?

His point was about how we all are in it together. Someone who built his own business had the assistance of government provided utilities, roads, bridges, national security, etc.

 

The larger context was this:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.

It's awkwardly phrased but the point isn't that you didn't build your business . . . it's that you didn't build your business alone. The "that" in the "you didn't build that" doesn't refer to your business . . . but rather to the American environment that assisted you in building that business.

 

I am still unsure about the point here. Was it supposed to be justification for why you ought to pay more taxes? Was it a controverted dig at the spirit of entrepreneurship? That's certainly what it's being painted as. I still am not sure why, out of the blue, President Obama decided to send the message that "Hey, business owners. You didn't do it on your own."

[carlfense]

I am still unsure about the point here. Was it supposed to be justification for why you ought to pay more taxes? Was it a controverted dig at the spirit of entrepreneurship? That's certainly what it's being painted as. I still am not sure why, out of the blue, President Obama decided to send the message that "Hey, business owners. You didn't do it on your own."

I think the point is to stake out the general positions of the parties before the election. Republicans are increasing becoming a party with a single simplistic message: government=bad. I see this as a response to that sort of message.

 

It's supposed to remind people that the government does do good, that we do rely on government services every day, etc.

 

Will that be successful? I don't know.

[sd'sker]

Barack Obama might be a great instructor. But WE DON'T KNOW.

 

Diversity is great except when it comes to allowing conservative instructors on campus. One survey showed that 75 percent of college faculty members considered themselves "liberal." http://archive.mises...ege-professors/

 

I believe that there is research out there that shows that throwing money into education doesn't do a lot for improving student achievement.

it does make sense that professors are liberal, it seems like an inherent ideology for an academic. they tend to be theoretical and idealistic. but i still argue that does not necessarily make them indoctrinate students. also, most of the evidence is anecdotal. just because a professor identifies as a liberal does not mean that has any affect on his/her lesson plans or teaching style.

 

i agree with you about throwing money at a problem. and i think that leads to the biggest difference of liberals and conservatives of past and present. there was a time when the argument was how the government should be ran. now it is if there should even be a government. the issue for me is not the size of the government, but the efficiency and effectiveness of the government. i do think a lot of schools are hurt from being underfunded, but there are larger systemic issues and many external factors on a person's education.